Villain The Foe Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 2 years ago the Eagles were known for having a few guys as the face of their franchise. That was Desean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin and Lesean McCoy on offense, and Trent Cole on defense.. As of today, Chip has released Desean Jackson and allowed him to ultimately go to a division rival. The Eagles decided not to tag Jeremy Maclin this offseason and he's currently facing free agency, they cut Trent Cole after playing 10 years for Philly and is 2nd only to Reggie White in career sacks as an Eagle and they just traded Shady McCoy to the Buffalo Bills. How in the world does a 3rd year coach get complete control of a team, release or trade the faces of the entire franchise which includes pro bowl and all-pro players and no one at least questions this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 IDK, but they won 10 games with Foles/Sanchez and a crappy defense. So, I guess I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, until it blows up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSfaninNE Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Chip has a plan and no "name" no matter how bright will stop him from instituting his plan. I like what Chips doing, we'll see if it works out in the end but I love the balls he has. Every player is replaceable on his team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smaxor5 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I absolutely love that he has the balls to defy conventional wisdom. It's awesome and it's going to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gas2No99 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 The man has produced results. But what is significant about him thus far, and as Jets fans we would kill for this, is that his system has proven to surpass the requirement of having a STUD QB to score points and win games. He did it with Foles. Sanchez exceeded what anyone thought he could accomplish as a 3rd string QB. He just traded their STUD RB, and WE ALL KNOW that he will just pluck someone and that player will most likely also produce for them to win. Until it blows up in his face, he's their messiah. A division title 1st year, insane results considering the circumstances in year 2; one can even make the argument their 3rd string QB pulled a classic Sanchez preventing that team from fully realizing their true potential Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jack48 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Chip has a plan and no "name" no matter how bright will stop him from instituting his plan. I like what Chips doing, we'll see if it works out in the end but I love the balls he has. Every player is replaceable on his team. The really good coaches don't care who they cut. Press and fan reactions are meaningless to them. The ones with rabbit ears are usually mediocre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Villain The Foe Posted March 4, 2015 Author Share Posted March 4, 2015 IDK, but they won 10 games with Foles/Sanchez and a crappy defense. So, I guess I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, until it blows up. Chip has a plan and no "name" no matter how bright will stop him from instituting his plan. I like what Chips doing, we'll see if it works out in the end but I love the balls he has. Every player is replaceable on his team. I absolutely love that he has the balls to defy conventional wisdom. It's awesome and it's going to work. The man has produced results. But what is significant about him thus far, and as Jets fans we would kill for this, is that his system has proven to surpass the requirement of having a STUD QB to score points and win games. He did it with Foles. Sanchez exceeded what anyone thought he could accomplish as a 3rd string QB. He just traded their STUD RB, and WE ALL KNOW that he will just pluck someone and that player will most likely also produce for them to win. Until it blows up in his face, he's their messiah. A division title 1st year, insane results considering the circumstances in year 2; one can even make the argument their 3rd string QB pulled a classic Sanchez preventing that team from fully realizing their true potential The really good coaches don't care who they cut. Press and fan reactions are meaningless to them. The ones with rabbit ears are usually mediocre. I agree that Chip definitely has a plan, just never seen a coach just get get rid of probowl/all pro talent. I didnt even mention Nick Foles in the conversation. This is a guy who played out of his mind that first year made it to the pro bowl and was even pro bowl MVP. Granted, his 2nd year was no where near his first but he was on pace to throw 4,300 yards, 26TD's and 20INT's. Granted, the INT's are inflated, but they were deflated the year prior so maybe he flattens out somewhere around 13 INT's in the future. The point being, Chip better be right because I personally never seen a coach do anything like this. And I dont mean give him credit because he won 10 games and missed the playoffs, because people are calling that success, im talking about making it to the playoffs and making a serious run for the title. Anything less than that will make this a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 The man has produced results. But what is significant about him thus far, and as Jets fans we would kill for this, is that his system has proven to surpass the requirement of having a STUD QB to score points and win games. He did it with Foles. Sanchez exceeded what anyone thought he could accomplish as a 3rd string QB. He just traded their STUD RB, and WE ALL KNOW that he will just pluck someone and that player will most likely also produce for them to win. Until it blows up in his face, he's their messiah. A division title 1st year, insane results considering the circumstances in year 2; one can even make the argument their 3rd string QB pulled a classic Sanchez preventing that team from fully realizing their true potential really don't get the rush to hurl such accolades.. Wrecks first 2 years were better then Chips, and we know how that turned out. As a fan base were already lauding Mac and Bowles as some kind of saviors, this after getting burnt by calling Mangina Mangenuis. You'd think collectively we' learn to take a more cautious approach to broad declarations. also note you contradicted yourself between the second and last sentances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Kelly is not playing scared. He is not afraid to play his chips, pun intended. We will see if it works but i respect the guts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Wrecks first 2 years were better then Chips Kelly didn't have the luxury of two teams sitting all their starters to barely back into the playoffs. He took a 4-12 team and in one year, won the division and had a home playoff game. In 6 years, Wrecks couldn't sniff a divisional title and a home playoff game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Kelly didn't have the luxury of two teams sitting all their starters to barely back into the playoffs. He took a 4-12 team and in one year, won the division and had a home playoff game. In 6 years, Wrecks couldn't sniff a divisional title and a home playoff game. How'd Chip do in the playoffs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I like some things about what Chip does, but history isn't on his side. We've seen these no-huddle/up-tempo offenses before and it seems that they do well eary on, and then their defense is spent late in the season and they can't stop anyone. Even with the season Foles had two years ago, they went to the post-season and got steamrolled by the Saints running game. When your own players are complaining about fatigue at the mid-way point of the season when you're winning games it isn't a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Kelly didn't have the luxury of two teams sitting all their starters to barely back into the playoffs. He took a 4-12 team and in one year, won the division and had a home playoff game. In 6 years, Wrecks couldn't sniff a divisional title and a home playoff game. And just like Rex, Chip has a team in the division with a top 2 QB of all time (and a sh*tty coach) thats had a stranglehold on the division for 15 years. It's exactly the same, good comparison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Message board poster suggests ludicrous things = creative iconoclast NFL coach with a reputation for unorthodox thinking makes the totally standard move of getting rid of guys too early instead of too late = WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Steve Spurrier part II. He will be out of the league in 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Steve Spurrier part II. He will be out of the league in 2 years. I actually think Chip is thinking long term. If he really is going to make a move for Mariotta - he knows they're not winning anything this year anyway. Shady is done in two years - so load up on young talent and be prepared to make a run in Mariotta's 3rd year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Funny. I am not a fan of Kelly as a pro coach, but I don't find anything too crazy about his moves. Salary dump. Big whoop. Move the malcontents so they don't poison your pool. Let the name players walk. It has been happening since the start. Bavaro on the Eagles. Klecko on the Colts. Nothing shocking. I don't see why they would tag Maclin. Maclin is a very nice piece, but not at $13M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 How'd Chip do in the playoffs? Same as Wrecks, they both sat home and watched the Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Same as Wrecks, they both sat home and watched the Super Bowl. Two playoff wins is the same thing as getting steamrolled in round one...gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Two playoff wins is the same thing as getting steamrolled in round one...gotcha. Yea, 2 playoff wins and nothing to show for it. Kelly did a much better coaching job his first two years then Wrecks did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Yea, 2 playoff wins and nothing to show for it. Kelly did a much better coaching job his first two years then Wrecks did. Four. I know at least one you'd like to forget, but it was four. Kelly had zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Yea, 2 playoff wins and nothing to show for it. Kelly did a much better coaching job his first two years then Wrecks did. Much better job...far worse results...sure, that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 The man has produced results. But what is significant about him thus far, and as Jets fans we would kill for this, is that his system has proven to surpass the requirement of having a STUD QB to score points and win games. He did it with Foles. Sanchez exceeded what anyone thought he could accomplish as a 3rd string QB. He just traded their STUD RB, and WE ALL KNOW that he will just pluck someone and that player will most likely also produce for them to win. Until it blows up in his face, he's their messiah. A division title 1st year, insane results considering the circumstances in year 2; one can even make the argument their 3rd string QB pulled a classic Sanchez preventing that team from fully realizing their true potential What scares me is this....can you win a Super Bowl with that offense? Has it been done? Like when they are up by 14 in the 3rd quarter and still running as many plays as possible, that scares me. I am not saying get away from the no huddle. But waste a little time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Unless he gets his boy Mariota I can see things falling apart for him. Cowboys are still the best NFC East team, giants will be good again next year even the Skins might figure it out once they get rid of the cancer RG3. Nick Foles got exposed last year. Kelly knows this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Yea, 2 playoff wins and nothing to show for it. Kelly did a much better coaching job his first two years then Wrecks did. I am all for blasting Rex. But this statement just isn't true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 What scares me is this....can you win a Super Bowl with that offense? Has it been done? Like when they are up by 14 in the 3rd quarter and still running as many plays as possible, that scares me. I am not saying get away from the no huddle. But waste a little time. You bring up real good points. I too will be interested to see if Kelly's offense can be sustainable in the NFL. Defenses tend to figure out gimmicky offenses over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Unless he gets his boy Mariota I can see things falling apart for him. Cowboys are still the best NFC East team, giants will be good again next year even the Skins might figure it out once they get rid of the cancer RG3. Nick Foles got exposed last year. Kelly knows this. I agree with all of that expect the Foles part. While he's not ideal for Chip's offense, he did regress but would that surprise anyone if you took away a QB's top playmaking WR and had injuries and suspensions on the O-line causing breakdowns in protection and an inconsistent run game? Foles isn't the guy he was last year or the guy he was two years ago IMO..probably somewhere in between. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I am all for blasting Rex. But this statement just isn't true. When has that ever stopped him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Why do you guys bother responding to Tx? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 You bring up real good points. I too will be interested to see if Kelly's offense can be sustainable in the NFL. Defenses tend to figure out gimmicky offenses over time. I was amazed when Parcells led the Giants over the Buffalo Bills. The Bills seemed like a much better team. Time of possession was born that day...sure the game has changed but right now I consider this the modern day run and shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Why do you guys bother responding to Tx? I rarely do...this may be the most I've said to him in a decade. It's not anything personal, but only has an interest in legit discussions 5% of the time or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I was amazed when Parcells led the Giants over the Buffalo Bills. The Bills seemed like a much better team. Time of possession was born that day...sure the game has changed but right now I consider this the modern day run and shoot. Yep..I compare them to the old Bills and Oilers teams that led to Buddy Ryan attacking Kevin Gilbride for keeping Buddy's defense on the field for 40 minutes a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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