Jetster Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 I just got done viewing videos, reading articles & listening to local beat writers talking about players like Gilchrist & Skrine. I'd already delved into learning as much as I could about Bowles defense, his use of what he calls "big nickel", and how he will also play a lot of dime coverage with big bodies up front. I don't think it's hyperbole to say this might be the most versatile secondary the Jets have ever had! It's amazing that in just one offseason we went from having UDFA corners, a nickel back in Wilson that can't catch & can't turn his head, a rookie safety & a flat out spent safety in Landry to this group we have now. Revis? Without question the best CB in the game! (When Sherman starts playing both left & right I might change my stance). Cromarty? Wily vet who is already versed in Bowles system (walks on the field & plays) Skrine? Uber competitive CB who has been top 5 in pass breakups, has 4 picks last year, and who can play both wide or in the slot & has done both. Gilchrist? Guy has played CB, FS, SS! Another guy with great knowledge of every position in the secondary. Antonio Allen? Another safety that has some experience at CB. Jarrett? The least versatile but a guy that will hit you when the opportunity arises & the only safety that made some plays last year. (Huge game vs Steelers). Pryor? Whatever this guy is best at I'm sure Bowles will figure it out. With all these guys around him now that know how to do their jobs he should be able to play fast. Guys always improve in 2nd year when their head stops spinning. Milliner? Who knows with his injury, but other CBs have come back. The guy was DPOTM at the end of his last season before getting injured. Obviously has skills. Never know, could come back as a ball hawking safety. McDougle? Another guy that can play CB outside but was pegged to play nickel. Was known for his work ethic so I see this guy at least getting back on the field competing. Big ? but from all accounts was lights out in camp last year. Just an amazing amount of guys that can move around & play in different areas of the field. What it really does is allows Bowles to game plan specifically for our opponents. We'll have an answer for any formations! 2 TEs & you have AA, Jarrett or Pryor. 4 wides & you have Skrine, Gilchrist, Milliner?, McDougle?. With a good pass rush & these interchangeable parts, it will be very difficult for QBs to get presnap reads if Bowles has these guys moving around. This is gonna be fun to watch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 if milliner and pryor and mcdougal are healthy and develop, the talent is pretty amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted March 21, 2015 Author Share Posted March 21, 2015 if milliner and pryor and mcdougal are healthy and develop, the talent is pretty amazing. I just can't get over how many of these guys have played so many different positions in the secondary. You start with Revis who can play, left, right, or slot. Cro has played all over the place. 2 safeties that have played CB. Pryor will learn a lot just playing with these guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 I think we will also see plenty of DB blitz packages with this group, agree it should be fun to watch Also why Harris remains valuable in the box for run support - he should not have to drop back in coverage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted March 21, 2015 Author Share Posted March 21, 2015 I think we will also see plenty of DB blitz packages with this group, agree it should be fun to watch Also why Harris remains valuable in the box for run support - he should not have to drop back in coverage After getting over the shock of his contract (hey, it's not my money) but seeing what guys were getting on the market, it's clear to me there were probably 3 teams starting with the Bills that were going to pay big for his leadership. I think your right. Bowles can keep him in on some 3rd downs where the run could still come into play. Your right. All of these guys can blitz too. I'm waiting for that blind side Revis blitz that comes when the QB is always looking away from Revis. That would be an unexpected event at the right precise moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJets Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 I for one cannot wait to see what McDougle can do. I would think Bowles would ease him into the game by having him covering TEs in the beginning. Hope the kid can stay healthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAD_Brooklyn Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 I don't think our base defense will be the 3-4. Well it probably will be but we'll probably run it 20% of the time. The regular and heavy nickel will most likely be used the most. what's most important is that this team is prepared for injuries. Man if only the offense of skill position players were the same. FS Pryor, Jarrett SS Gilchrist, Allen CB Revis, Skrine, Cromartie, Milliner, McDougle, Wall/Williams Revis aside, we should be in great shape if one of these guys went down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 I don't think our base defense will be the 3-4. Well it probably will be but we'll probably run it 20% of the time. The regular and heavy nickel will most likely be used the most. what's most important is that this team is prepared for injuries. Man if only the offense of skill position players were the same. FS Pryor, Jarrett SS Gilchrist, Allen CB Revis, Skrine, Cromartie, Milliner, McDougle, Wall/Williams Revis aside, we should be in great shape if one of these guys went down. I can see us doing lots of dime blitz on passing downs. We're built for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 I don't think our base defense will be the 3-4. Well it probably will be but we'll probably run it 20% of the time. The regular and heavy nickel will most likely be used the most. what's most important is that this team is prepared for injuries. Man if only the offense of skill position players were the same. FS Pryor, Jarrett SS Gilchrist, Allen CB Revis, Skrine, Cromartie, Milliner, McDougle, Wall/Williams Revis aside, we should be in great shape if one of these guys went down. Should that not be SS Pryor and FS Gilchrist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Should that not be SS Pryor and FS Gilchrist? You are correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OuttaSightPF Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 I just got done viewing videos, reading articles & listening to local beat writers talking about players like Gilchrist & Skrine. I'd already delved into learning as much as I could about Bowles defense, his use of what he calls "big nickel", and how he will also play a lot of dime coverage with big bodies up front. I don't think it's hyperbole to say this might be the most versatile secondary the Jets have ever had! It's amazing that in just one offseason we went from having UDFA corners, a nickel back in Wilson that can't catch & can't turn his head, a rookie safety & a flat out spent safety in Landry to this group we have now. Revis? Without question the best CB in the game! (When Sherman starts playing both left & right I might change my stance). Cromarty? Wily vet who is already versed in Bowles system (walks on the field & plays) Skrine? Uber competitive CB who has been top 5 in pass breakups, has 4 picks last year, and who can play both wide or in the slot & has done both. Gilchrist? Guy has played CB, FS, SS! Another guy with great knowledge of every position in the secondary. Antonio Allen? Another safety that has some experience at CB. Jarrett? The least versatile but a guy that will hit you when the opportunity arises & the only safety that made some plays last year. (Huge game vs Steelers). Pryor? Whatever this guy is best at I'm sure Bowles will figure it out. With all these guys around him now that know how to do their jobs he should be able to play fast. Guys always improve in 2nd year when their head stops spinning. Milliner? Who knows with his injury, but other CBs have come back. The guy was DPOTM at the end of his last season before getting injured. Obviously has skills. Never know, could come back as a ball hawking safety. McDougle? Another guy that can play CB outside but was pegged to play nickel. Was known for his work ethic so I see this guy at least getting back on the field competing. Big ? but from all accounts was lights out in camp last year. Just an amazing amount of guys that can move around & play in different areas of the field. What it really does is allows Bowles to game plan specifically for our opponents. We'll have an answer for any formations! 2 TEs & you have AA, Jarrett or Pryor. 4 wides & you have Skrine, Gilchrist, Milliner?, McDougle?. With a good pass rush & these interchangeable parts, it will be very difficult for QBs to get presnap reads if Bowles has these guys moving around. This is gonna be fun to watch! Great take on this. I don't think its the best secondary, but most versatile for sure. I am most interested to see how we use/ what we have in the Milliner, McDougle, Allen, Jarrett and Skrine. I feel like we know what we get with the other guys. I'm thinking th base defense will be Coples, Harrison, Wilkerson, and Richardson up front, Harris and Davis in the middle, Revis and either Skrine or Milliner outside... With Cro in the nickle and Gilchrist and Pryor at safety. This would allow Pryor to play more in the box and less in coverage and also maybe allow Cro some freedom to roam and make plays. Rotating in Jarrett, Allen and McDougle on long drives and other packages would be ideal. It also protects when injuries pop up. BOWLES has what he needs on defense and it's still a month until the draft. Now the focus needs to be finding a QB and offense offense offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsRay Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Great take on this. I don't think its the best secondary, but most versatile for sure. I am most interested to see how we use/ what we have in the Milliner, McDougle, Allen, Jarrett and Skrine. I feel like we know what we get with the other guys. I'm thinking th base defense will be Coples, Harrison, Wilkerson, and Richardson up front, Harris and Davis in the middle, Revis and either Skrine or Milliner outside... With Cro in the nickle and Gilchrist and Pryor at safety. This would allow Pryor to play more in the box and less in coverage and also maybe allow Cro some freedom to roam and make plays. Rotating in Jarrett, Allen and McDougle on long drives and other packages would be ideal. It also protects when injuries pop up. BOWLES has what he needs on defense and it's still a month until the draft. Now the focus needs to be finding a QB and offense offense offense. I know I'm probably being biased, but I can't think of another secondary in the league with as much talent, both established and potential that is as good or as deep as our secondary in the league. This defense has a chance to be special, and I mean historically special, and will be together for at least another 2-3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Doesn't really matter when the offense leaves you in first and goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share Posted March 22, 2015 Doesn't really matter when the offense leaves you in first and goal. Ha ha, you really know how to kill a thread! Hey, pick your chin up. If Geno faulters at least we have a guy in Fitzpatrick that is smart enough to read progressions. Has Fitzpatrick ever played with 3 wideouts as talented as Decker/Marshall/Kerley? If Amaro steps up & we also draft a Cooper & a stud RB, that's plenty of talent for him to get the ball to. Like some have said, we might be pleasantly surprised & find out with Fitzy playing & getting the ball out "on time" that our Oline is pretty good? Geno had a tendency because of his inexperience to hold the ball too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Should that not be SS Pryor and FS Gilchrist? I would think It should be as well but the Jets Roster has Pryor listed as a FS probably a mistake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 I just got done viewing videos, reading articles & listening to local beat writers talking about players like Gilchrist & Skrine. I'd already delved into learning as much as I could about Bowles defense, his use of what he calls "big nickel", and how he will also play a lot of dime coverage with big bodies up front. I don't think it's hyperbole to say this might be the most versatile secondary the Jets have ever had! It's amazing that in just one offseason we went from having UDFA corners, a nickel back in Wilson that can't catch & can't turn his head, a rookie safety & a flat out spent safety in Landry to this group we have now. Revis? Without question the best CB in the game! (When Sherman starts playing both left & right I might change my stance). Cromarty? Wily vet who is already versed in Bowles system (walks on the field & plays) Skrine? Uber competitive CB who has been top 5 in pass breakups, has 4 picks last year, and who can play both wide or in the slot & has done both. Gilchrist? Guy has played CB, FS, SS! Another guy with great knowledge of every position in the secondary. Antonio Allen? Another safety that has some experience at CB. Jarrett? The least versatile but a guy that will hit you when the opportunity arises & the only safety that made some plays last year. (Huge game vs Steelers). Pryor? Whatever this guy is best at I'm sure Bowles will figure it out. With all these guys around him now that know how to do their jobs he should be able to play fast. Guys always improve in 2nd year when their head stops spinning. Milliner? Who knows with his injury, but other CBs have come back. The guy was DPOTM at the end of his last season before getting injured. Obviously has skills. Never know, could come back as a ball hawking safety. McDougle? Another guy that can play CB outside but was pegged to play nickel. Was known for his work ethic so I see this guy at least getting back on the field competing. Big ? but from all accounts was lights out in camp last year. Just an amazing amount of guys that can move around & play in different areas of the field. What it really does is allows Bowles to game plan specifically for our opponents. We'll have an answer for any formations! 2 TEs & you have AA, Jarrett or Pryor. 4 wides & you have Skrine, Gilchrist, Milliner?, McDougle?. With a good pass rush & these interchangeable parts, it will be very difficult for QBs to get presnap reads if Bowles has these guys moving around. This is gonna be fun to watch! Milliner was ROOKIE DPOTM vs terrible football teams and terrible offenses.... big difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share Posted March 22, 2015 Milliner was ROOKIE DPOTM vs terrible football teams and terrible offenses.... big difference Jets aren't playing many GREAT offenses or QBs this year. Carr, Hoyer, RG3, Manzeil?, Cassel, Bortles, Bradford, Tannyhill, Mettenburger. Eli only pads his stats vs crappy defenses. If Revis slows down Dez, Witten is a shell of himself & it won't be that easy for the Cowboys to run on the Jets, I see us getting Romo to be a little reckless. We had Milliner as our #1 CB in 2013, now he'd be lucky to be #3. If he makes it back healthy I see him having no problem covering a #2 or #3 WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OuttaSightPF Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 I know I'm probably being biased, but I can't think of another secondary in the league with as much talent, both established and potential that is as good or as deep as our secondary in the league. This defense has a chance to be special, and I mean historically special, and will be together for at least another 2-3 years. Legion of Boom is twice as good, especially when you factor in the safety's, but I agree about versatile. A fair grade would be Revis A+ Cro B- Skrine C+ Milliner C Pryor, Jarrett, Allen, C- McDougle ... who knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 I dunno. They all seem like bottoms to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Legion of Boom is twice as good, especially when you factor in the safety's, but I agree about versatile. A fair grade would be Revis A+ Cro B- Skrine C+ Milliner C Pryor, Jarrett, Allen, C- McDougle ... who knows Seattle has a much better secondary especially at the Safety positions but they are hit with injuries right now plus they just lost Maxwell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OuttaSightPF Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Seattle has a much better secondary especially at the Safety positions but they are hit with injuries right now plus they just lost Maxwell. That's a good point about Maxwell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsRay Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Legion of Boom is twice as good, especially when you factor in the safety's, but I agree about versatile. A fair grade would be Revis A+ Cro B- Skrine C+ Milliner C Pryor, Jarrett, Allen, C- McDougle ... who knows Sherman, Chancelor, and Thomas, sure top 3 might be slightly better, but they don't have the depth the Jets have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papz187 Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Milliner was ROOKIE DPOTM vs terrible football teams and terrible offenses.... big difference He played well against the best WR statistically that year in Josh Gordon....Mike Wallace he played against and good as well despite getting beat once and Tannenhill missing him. BTW he was AFC defensive player of the week in week 17 as well. He showed some promise, looked good in the SD game last year before going down for the season. Too early to give up on him.....Revis didn't come in to his own til year 3 (coincidently or not the first year under Rex). Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papz187 Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Great take on this. I don't think its the best secondary, but most versatile for sure. I am most interested to see how we use/ what we have in the Milliner, McDougle, Allen, Jarrett and Skrine. I feel like we know what we get with the other guys. I'm thinking th base defense will be Coples, Harrison, Wilkerson, and Richardson up front, Harris and Davis in the middle, Revis and either Skrine or Milliner outside... With Cro in the nickle and Gilchrist and Pryor at safety. This would allow Pryor to play more in the box and less in coverage and also maybe allow Cro some freedom to roam and make plays. Rotating in Jarrett, Allen and McDougle on long drives and other packages would be ideal. It also protects when injuries pop up. BOWLES has what he needs on defense and it's still a month until the draft. Now the focus needs to be finding a QB and offense offense offense. Cro is a bigger corner that can jam and get his hands on WRs, rerouting bigger receivers in the game such as he did here vs Moss for example on the outside......he doesn't match up well vs slot receivers and doesn't play nickel.....that will be Skrine's roll which he played in 2013 before being upgraded to starter last year on the outside. Can't see a scenario where Cro plays nickel, doesn't make sense to me. Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papz187 Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Personally I'm excited to see Antonio Allen back at Safety. He did some really good things in 2013 before having to play corner last year due to the shlt talent we had to work with on the outside. Think he can be real effective in Bowles big nickel playing the LB/S position, similar to what he did in college. Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OuttaSightPF Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Sherman, Chancelor, and Thomas, sure top 3 might be slightly better, but they don't have the Jets have now. I love a good homer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsRay Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I love a good homer! That should read "they don't have the depth the Jets have now." That isn't homerish, especially not after the losses Seattle has had this off-season and injuries to players that will impact them going into next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I for one cannot wait to see what McDougle can do. I would think Bowles would ease him into the game by having him covering TEs in the beginning. Hope the kid can stay healthy We are in agreement on something, Yay! . Seriously, I am pumped to see him in that secondary and working Revis and Cro. As you said I hope he can stay healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Calvin Pryor and versatile should NEVER be in the same sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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