Tinstar Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Let's face it folks, it's about instant gratification with the 1st round pick or that player is labeled a "Bust" by our fan base. To that end, I pose the above question. QB : Other than Winston, none of the QBs would be of assistance to the Jets in the coming season. OL : I can think of 2 players who would be upgrades to our OL this coming season. Pass Rusher : I can think of 3 players in the 1st 2 rounds who would assist the Jets in this coming season. OLBer : I don't see any player who would be an instant upgrade to the roster this coming season. RB : I don't see any player who would be an upgrade to the roster this season. CB: I don't see any upgrade this season. WR: I see quite a few upgrades for the upcoming season but only at the slot position. IMO, the choice should come down to between an OLman and a Pass Rusher . The best way IMO to help the team now and into the future is to pick the highest rated player on your board from among these 2 positions. IMO, that player is a Pass rusher. That's the view from this fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 OLB edge rusher speed needed at the position immediate impact players available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share Posted March 22, 2015 OLB edge rusher speed needed at the position immediate impact players available 1st let me thank you for responding to my post. IMO, there's a difference between a pass rusher and an OLB when we're talking about a 1st rear player. Not many prospect enter the NFL with the ability to drop into coverage and attack the QB with the viciousness that is needed in today's NFL. If you can find a guy with the Pass rush ability who you can develop into that OLBer, you take him and allow him to do what he does best immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Vic Beasley, OLB, Clemson Rang's take: "With the addition of Brandon Marshall, the Jets can take the best player available route and given the aggressive nature of head coach Todd Bowles, that might mean adding a pass rusher. At just 6-3, 246 pounds, Beasley doesn't possess the length and strength teams prefer on the perimeter but his explosiveness off the corner could make him an immediate impact performer." Vic Beasley, OLB, ClemsonBrinson's take: "This might be an ideal landing spot for the combine freak. The Jets don't need a pass rusher like Beasley, but they've got to think about replacing Quinton Coples and given Beasley's strength—speed, so much scary speed—Todd Bowles could uncork him on defenses out of the gate." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Vic Beasley, OLB, Clemson Brinson's take: "This might be an ideal landing spot for the combine freak. The Jets don't need a pass rusher The hell we don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 The hell we don't. I think Brinson's take is not that we don't need a pass-rusher, but not one like Beasley... Beasley is talented, we need one who's worse and preferably not good at the tackling of the quarterback. That would seem more fitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papz187 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 OLB edge rusher speed needed at the position immediate impact players available Yup I agree.....I gotta say I have very limited knowledge of the prospects, but when it comes to NFL transition for rookies and from what I heard of the prospects, a pass rusher would have the most impact this season at 6 IMO with WR not far behind. However if management believes Mariotta can be a franchise QB I want him and am willing to let him sit a year if needed. Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share Posted March 22, 2015 That's 3 for Pass rusher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOZ THE JET Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 We need a edge rusher & I believe Dante Fowler Jr is our guy he the most complete because he can get to the QB + he can cover the total package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Yup I agree.....I gotta say I have very limited knowledge of the prospects, but when it comes to NFL transition for rookies and from what I heard of the prospects, a pass rusher would have the most impact this season at 6 IMO with WR not far behind. However if management believes Mariotta can be a franchise QB I want him and am willing to let him sit a year if needed. Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk Agree on Mariota franchise QB in the making again I doubt he's available at 6 so BPA immediate impact players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 We need a edge rusher & I believe Dante Fowler Jr is our guy he the most complete because he can get to the QB + he can cover the total package. My pick also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOZ THE JET Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 My pick alsoI have a strong feeling he will be there at 6 lets hope he is the highest rated player on the Jets board when we pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Dante Fowler Jr is probably the most John Abrahamiest player in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 I look at it this way, I want a WR/ RB / pass rusher in the 1st 3 rounds. 1- WR or OLB 2- WR or OLB or RB 3 - Wr or RB If the team feels one of the two top wr's are ultra special i will have no problem with cooper or white at 6. I'm not sure how i will react if we took mariota. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Forget 2015. I want a player that has enough potential to open up a decade or longer window to win a title. These one and two year windows for playoff births are getting tired. QB... QB.. QB! Marcus Mariota. If he doesn't pan out. So what? These other players you are talking about are just as likely to bust as MM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share Posted March 22, 2015 We need a edge rusher & I believe Dante Fowler Jr is our guy he the most complete because he can get to the QB + he can cover the total package. In a yr maybe, but not next yr. That kid doesn't have the POA pass rush ability to be an elite Pass rusher next yr and there's no rookie that's going to be a difference as a coverage OLB and an impact pass rusher in his 1st yr. It doesn't happen and it's way too much to ask any 1st yr kid coming into the league. Hell, Quinton Coples has played great as a Jet for 2 yrs in 2 different positions and Jet fans think he's a Borderline Bust because he doesn't have a boatload of sacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share Posted March 22, 2015 Dante Fowler Jr is probably the most John Abrahamiest player in the draft. No he's not, not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 No he's not, not even close. Oh, he's close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Brandon Scherff would give us the most immediate help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share Posted March 22, 2015 Forget 2015. I want a player that has enough potential to open up a decade or longer window to win a title. These one and two year windows for playoff births are getting tired. QB... QB.. QB! Marcus Mariota. If he doesn't pan out. So what? These other players you are talking about are just as likely to bust as MM. I have no problem with picking Marriota, as long as the fan base won't start screaming bust when he doesn't start in 2015 and at the start of 2016. Since we all know that's not going to happen, what's the point ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 In a yr maybe, but not next yr. That kid doesn't have the POA pass rush ability to be an elite Pass rusher next yr and there's no rookie that's going to be a difference as a coverage OLB and an impact pass rusher in his 1st yr. It doesn't happen and it's way too much to ask any 1st yr kid coming into the league. Hell, Quinton Coples has played great as a Jet for 2 yrs in 2 different positions and Jet fans think he's a Borderline Bust because he doesn't have a boatload of sacks. There's nothing borderline about it. Coples is ******* terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Forget 2015. I want a player that has enough potential to open up a decade or longer window to win a title. These one and two year windows for playoff births are getting tired. QB... QB.. QB! Marcus Mariota. If he doesn't pan out. So what? These other players you are talking about are just as likely to bust as MM. Mariota never had to make more than one read in college. That type of quarterback very rarely succeeds in the NFL you're basically drafting another Geno because that's the QB he was in college. Actually, Geno had to through progressions at West Virginia way more than Mariota ever did in Oregon. Mariota is way more likely to bust than a Amari Cooper or Brandon Scherff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 There's nothing borderline about it. Coples is ******* terrible. Wow you know nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckkieB Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Mariotta, Fowler, Beasley, in that order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 you don't draft for this years need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 We need a pass rusher, but not an OLB? What position does the pass rusher play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share Posted March 22, 2015 We need a pass rusher, but not an OLB? What position does the pass rusher play? Where ever you can put the player to best utilize his ability and create a mismatch in your favor. What defensive scheme will the jets play in 2015 ? When you buy a apple to you it's an apple, but do you know what it is to a Native American ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetworks Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 OL, and it isn't even close. Had this been before the upgrades at WR and CB, naturally I would've likely set my sights there, but OL is a glaring need at this point. QB is as well, but value and likelihood of landing a quality player are at the OL position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 1st let me thank you for responding to my post. IMO, there's a difference between a pass rusher and an OLB when we're talking about a 1st rear player. Not many prospect enter the NFL with the ability to drop into coverage and attack the QB with the viciousness that is needed in today's NFL. If you can find a guy with the Pass rush ability who you can develop into that OLBer, you take him and allow him to do what he does best immediately. Where ever you can put the player to best utilize his ability and create a mismatch in your favor. What defensive scheme will the jets play in 2015 ? When you buy a apple to you it's an apple, but do you know what it is to a Native American ? I don't care what you call him. Are you saying that you want the best pass rusher and coach him up to play OLB, or draft the best OLB and let him rush the passer until he is ready to be a full time OLB? Which are you saying? For instance, a guy like Maybin may have been a better pass rusher, but he was never going to be able to hold up at OLB in a 3-4 compared to some others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Beasley or Fowler! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 If we're looking to add a few more wins by adding one player from this class? Todd Gurley, assuming he's healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadetree Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 you don't draft for this years need I kinda agree with this but next years need and beyond-next-years need can be the same, right? Pass rushing OLB. Fowler Beasley Dupree ...in that order for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadetree Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 If we're looking to add a few more wins by adding one player from this class? Todd Gurley, assuming he's healthy. Love Gurley...the big question is HOW FAR DOES HE FALL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share Posted March 22, 2015 I don't care what you call him. Are you saying that you want the best pass rusher and coach him up to play OLB, or draft the best OLB and let him rush the passer until he is ready to be a full time OLB? Which are you saying? For instance, a guy like Maybin may have been a better pass rusher, but he was never going to be able to hold up at OLB in a 3-4 compared to some others. I want a kid who can get to the QB from the outside, from the inside and still have the foot speed to chase down a RB on a sweep. Now I realize I can get that in quite a few of the top prospects. I have my preference just like most around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadetree Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 I want a kid who can get to the QB from the outside, from the inside and still have the foot speed to chase down a RB on a sweep. Now I realize I can get that in quite a few of the top prospects. I have my preference just like most around here. And your preference is fowler. These are not the droids you are looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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