JohnnyLV Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Disclaimer: No I am NOT comparing any of our QBs to Montana, just making a point This game is on NFL Network right now, and here we have maybe the greatest QB in one of the best and most famous games ever played, especially "the catch" and yet, Montana is doing a bunch of the things we have absolutely no tolerance for in our own QBs. He is consistently: Going backwards from pressure Locking completely on to his primary receiver (caused 1 int) Making poor decisions on throws (3 ints) that are very Sanchez/Geno like Obviously, yes he also makes a lot of plays. He's Joe F'in Montana, legend. Point is that sometimes I think that both fans and modern coaches (especially defensive ones) are so locked into this mentality that the QB has to "protect the football" that they also stifle the ability of the QB to make plays, to WIN games. It is why I think it is way too premature to think Geno cannot develop with the right system and coaching into a good even top tier QB. He certainly has the tools. If Montana, even at the peak of his ability was still making some of the mistakes that people completely bash Geno for in his first and second years. Geno MAY VERY WELL SUCK, but when you consider the coaching he has had, and how difficult the QB position is, I do not think it is unreasonable to at least see if he can develop. We should also continue looking for the next guy in the draft. Just a thought. Bash away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 I never saw Montana ever get flustered to the point of flipping off the crowd. Some people handle pressure a whole lot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 I think I posted something in the last week about how limiting INTs actually hinders winning. The article went a bit too far IMO, but the guy did make some decent points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Correct me if I'm wrong but wasnt that basically his first year as a starter too? You never saw that stuff from him later in his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 So now Geno Smith is just as good as Joe Montana? Yeah, right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Geno is no Montana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Correct me if I'm wrong but wasnt that basically his first year as a starter too? You never saw that stuff from him later in his career. Started 7 the year before, but yeah, first year starting all 16. 63.7 comp % (led league) 3565 yards 19 TDs 12 ints I wish Geno came close to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 So now Geno Smith is just as good as Joe Montana? Yeah, right. God, no. As I said in the first line I am not saying that at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 I think I posted something in the last week about how limiting INTs actually hinders winning. The article went a bit too far IMO, but the guy did make some decent points. It's pretty easy math I think. Say you had a QB with 15 TDs and 4 INTs and another with 28TDs and 28 ints, I would think the second QBs team would consistently win more games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 God, no. As I said in the first line I am not saying that at all. Fine so then you're only saying Geno Smith is ALMOST as good as Joe Montana? It's still ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Geno should wear no.16 this year.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Jets fan Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 LOL at Geno even sniffing Montana's jock but, Its a good point that lots of people think turnovers are everything and I disagree a lot. How many posters would take Favre in his prime right now? I would in a second and anyone that would not is an idiot. Favre holds the record for most Int's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 It's pretty easy math I think. Say you had a QB with 15 TDs and 4 INTs and another with 28TDs and 28 ints, I would think the second QBs team would consistently win more games. I doubt that very much. 28 ints? Plus every QB loses a few fumbles, plus other team turnovers. That's too much to overcome. 28 TDs and 18-20 INTs I could see instead of 15 TDs 4 INTs, but even that would have to depend upon the rest of the team (does the defense score a lot and give up little, do they have a 15 TD RB on the team, etc.) And how come you stopped biting on the Montana/Smith stuff? I thought I could get one more out of you. Hate it when people catch on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 So you're saying Geno is as good as Montana? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Fan RI Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 If you want some QB perspective, check out Terry Bradshaw's stats from his first two seasons: http://www.pro-football-reference.co...B/BradTe00.htm This was posted by someone over on NYJF recently. Those stats look worse to me than Geno's. And remember, Bradshaw wound up with 4 rings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmat321 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Joe had a legend as a coach & mentor. A guy who taught him how to play in the NFL and act off the field. All Geno and Sanchez had was a middle-aged child with a foot fetish to guide them..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Can't believe someone would compare Geno Smith to Joe Montana. SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 If you want some QB perspective, check out Terry Bradshaw's stats from his first two seasons: http://www.pro-football-reference.co...B/BradTe00.htm This was posted by someone over on NYJF recently. Those stats look worse to me than Geno's. And remember, Bradshaw wound up with 4 rings. You just can not compare 70's to now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Can't believe someone would compare Geno Smith to Joe Montana. SAR I They both have 2 arms. and teeth. and vowels in their name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Fan RI Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 You just can not compare 70's to now. That's not really relevant. Bradshaw was awful against his contemporaries. Geno is (was) awful against his contemporaries. I think the point is valid. Quit on a young QB too quick and it could very well come back to haunt you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 The article was about Aaron Rodgers. It was regarding Rodgers being like 0-23 in games where he trailed by 9 or more at any point in the 2nd half. Rodgers never throws picks in those situations while Manning does, but Manning wins like 30% of those games. The basic premise is that Rodgers and McCarthy are too risk averse in situations that favor the bold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 How were Joe Montana's dick pics though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 That's not really relevant. Bradshaw was awful against his contemporaries. Geno is (was) awful against his contemporaries. I think the point is valid. Quit on a young QB too quick and it could very well come back to haunt you. True. You also have to give a young QB some weapons. What did he have his rookie year? Last year he had a hurt Decker, a rookie TE, and a shaky O Line. Bradshaw won his first two SB as a game manager. Great D and Franco. He won the last 2 SB as the game MVP. Brady, same thing, he was nothing special when he got his first ring. This is Geno's 3rd year. Make it a real competition. If he earns the job, great. If he sucks, so be it. But at least he has 2 WR, a second year TE, and hopefully an improved line, as well as an improved D which may occasionally force a turnover and not make him have to drive 80 yards for a TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 How were Joe Montana's dick pics though? Clutch. Always firm when they needed to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Fan RI Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 True. You also have to give a young QB some weapons. What did he have his rookie year? Last year he had a hurt Decker, a rookie TE, and a shaky O Line. Bradshaw won his first two SB as a game manager. Great D and Franco. He won the last 2 SB as the game MVP. Brady, same thing, he was nothing special when he got his first ring. This is Geno's 3rd year. Make it a real competition. If he earns the job, great. If he sucks, so be it. But at least he has 2 WR, a second year TE, and hopefully an improved line, as well as an improved D which may occasionally force a turnover and not make him have to drive 80 yards for a TD. Great summary. Exactly the way I see it. I find it inspiring that a QB like Bradshaw would have started out so weakly, arguably worse than Geno, yet wind up with 4 SB wins. I think all Jet fans should be encouraged by this to see that it is possible to come back from what Geno has done his first two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Joe had a legend as a coach & mentor. A guy who taught him how to play in the NFL and act off the field. All Geno and Sanchez had was a middle-aged child with a foot fetish to guide them..... That is a great point but you have to admit Joe was the truth in College. There is a reason they called him Joe "Cool" at Notre Dame... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 You just can not compare 70's to now. He is comparing qbs who struggled their first two years. One went on to win multiple superbowls; I might add he played with some of the greatest players in the history of the game for his entire career. Who has Geno played with so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I never saw Montana ever get flustered to the point of flipping off the crowd. Some people handle pressure a whole lot better. He also never played in front some of the assholes at MetLife but that's another story.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 That's not really relevant. Bradshaw was awful against his contemporaries. Geno is (was) awful against his contemporaries. I think the point is valid. Quit on a young QB too quick and it could very well come back to haunt you. Of course the point is valid. I find it truly hilarious the lengths some folks will go when it comes to Geno Smith. It's like they lose any concept of objectivity. Bradshaws first two years... 1970 - 28% completion pct. 6 tds - 24 ints for 1418 yards - in 13 games 1971 - 54% completion pct. - 13 tds - 22 ints for 2259 yards - in 14 games His next two years were almost as bad... and keep in mind they only played 14 games back then so those interceptions are even more egregious. 1973 - 47% completion pct. - 12 tds - 12 ints for 1887 yards - in 14 games 1974 - 49% completion pct. - 10 tds - 15 ints for 1183 yards - in 10 games Now I realize the game has changed alot in favor of the offense but by any standard he truly sucked. We are talking about a future first ballot hall of fame player.... Now am I saying Geno will go on to have a career like Bradshaw? Of course not! The point is it is too early to totally give up on a young 3rd year qb. Thanks posting the link on Bradshaw; I hope it gives some perspective to the more open minded among us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Of course the point is valid. I find it truly hilarious the lengths some folks will go when it comes to Geno Smith. It's like they lose any concept of objectivity. Bradshaws first two years... 1970 - 28% completion pct. 6 tds - 24 ints for 1418 yards - in 13 games 1971 - 54% completion pct. - 13 tds - 22 ints for 2259 yards - in 14 games His next two years were almost as bad... and keep in mind they only played 14 games back then so those interceptions are even more egregious. 1973 - 47% completion pct. - 12 tds - 12 ints for 1887 yards - in 14 games 1974 - 49% completion pct. - 10 tds - 15 ints for 1183 yards - in 10 games Now I realize the game has changed alot in favor of the offense but by any standard he truly sucked. We are talking about a future first ballot hall of fame player.... Now am I saying Geno will go on to have a career like Bradshaw? Of course not! The point is it is too early to totally give up on a young 3rd year qb. Thanks posting the link on Bradshaw; I hope it gives some perspective to the more open minded among us. Chuck Noll also tried to bench Bradshaw. (I get what you are saying) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saul Goodman Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Geno *might* have a chance to become below average, or close to average (16-20 range), but he will never, ever, ever, ever, ever be capable of taking a team to the Superbowl. No reason to cut him, but he's done, I'd rather roll with Fitzpatrick or a draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 How were Joe Montana's dick pics though? Did he have a chick as hot as Jen Sterger around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 How were Joe Montana's dick pics though? Could you imagine if Joe Namath had come up in the age of social media? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Lmao. This is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I can't believe anyone would even think Joe Montana was as good as Geno Smith Eat that trolls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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