JetNation Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 By Glenn Naughton As Jets general manager Mike Maccagnan’s recent free agent spending spree resulted in the addition of cornerbacks Darrelle Revis, Antonio Cromartie and Buster Skrine, the moves will clearly have a ripple effect on a depth chart that will see some players demoted and others traded or cut loose. With nine cornerbacks currently listed on the roster, there will be no shortage of competition come time for camp, but could also give the Jets ammunition to add an extra draft pick or two. While it’s probably safe to assume that former first round selection Dee Milliner and last season’s third round pick Dexter McDougle will be back in green and white, that remains to be seen. Reports recently surfaced indicating there is some interest in Milliner on the trade market, and Maccagnan was noncommittal regarding Milliner’s future with the team. Trading the promising young cornerback would make little sense given Cromartie’s age and injury history as well as Milliners manageable $3.4 million salary. Like Milliner, McDougle suffered a season ending injury early on when he tore his ACL during training camp. Prior to that however, reports on the rookie were glowing, saying that he was turning heads and making a run at the no. 2 CB spot. Despite having not been drafted by the current regime, McDougle’s youth, potential and cap hit ($675,000) should make him a favorite to stick around. Should that be the case, it would move both of last year’s starters, Darrin Walls and Marcus Williams from the top two spots, to the 6th and 7th. One of the few pleasant surprises during last years 4-12 clunker, Williams should earn strong consideration to be retained depending on how Todd Bowles feels he’ll fit his scheme. Considered more of a zone corner as an undrafted free agent out of North Dakota State, Williams was asked to play his share of man coverage at times and far exceeded expectations. For example, in a week fifteen meeting with the New England Patriots, Williams was given a chance to match up against Patriots tight end Rob Gronkowski on multiple occasions. At 5′ 11” 196 lbs Williams didn’t back down from the 6′ 6” 265lb Gronkowski. He challenged him at the line and played physical football in holding the pro-bowler to 2 receptions on 3 targets for just 18 yards. Walls on the other hand spent each of the previous two seasons with the Jets but had just four career starts before being thrust in to a starting role. Even on a Jets team that was thin at the position, Walls was viewed as a viable back-up who would likely be the fourth man on the depth chart before the injury bug hit the secondary. Once elevated to no. 1, Walls found himself defending the likes of Brandon Marshall, Demarius Thomas, Mike Wallace and Jordy Nelson. A schedule loaded with future hall of fame quarterbacks and some of the best receivers in the game would be a true test for the Notre Dame product. According to PFF.com, Marshall, Thomas, Nelson and Wallace were targeted a total of sixteen times when covered by Walls. Those attempts resulted in 8 completions for 93 yards and zero touchdowns to go along with four passes defended. That stat line, against some of the best receivers in the NFL is deserving of far more than being at the bottom of any depth chart and should intrigue any team looking to add depth at the position. With the NFL draft just over a month away, could we see the Jets and Maccagnan continue their wheeling and dealing in an effort to move either Walls or Williams? While neither is likely to fetch more than a late round pick, it may be worth putting out some feelers to get something in return for two young players who are unlikely to see much action for the better part of the next two years. View the full article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Revis - injury history and aging Cromartie - Same as above Skrine - solid slot guy who can play the outside if necessary. Not sure of his injury history but is young. Miliner - Injury history, sporadic play at best. Not sure when he'll be completely healthy and ready. McDougle - injury history. Hasn't played an NFL down. Not sure if he's any good, seemed to be over drafted. We know Bowles likes to employ 6, even 7 DBs at a time. It's a passing league. Why would they look to trade or release two guys who played decently enough last season? God forbid a few CBs get hurt in training camp and we're bringing Kyle Wilson back from the bottom of the barrel with Phillip Adams. Learn from the mistakes, don't make them again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I think in the ideal world of Maccagnan's mind, Milliner makes Cromartie expendable by the end of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Revis - injury history and aging Cromartie - Same as above Skrine - solid slot guy who can play the outside if necessary. Not sure of his injury history but is young. Miliner - Injury history, sporadic play at best. Not sure when he'll be completely healthy and ready. McDougle - injury history. Hasn't played an NFL down. Not sure if he's any good, seemed to be over drafted. We know Bowles likes to employ 6, even 7 DBs at a time. It's a passing league. Why would they look to trade or release two guys who played decently enough last season? God forbid a few CBs get hurt in training camp and we're bringing Kyle Wilson back from the bottom of the barrel with Phillip Adams. Learn from the mistakes, don't make them again. Carry seven CBs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I think in the ideal world of Maccagnan's mind, Milliner makes Cromartie expendable by the end of the year. My thoughts exactly....I was surprised he didn't make a stronger statement about not wanting to deal Milliner and I doubt they will. His contract is structured in a way that will allow it if Milliner steps up and stays healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Will just be glad to get rid of Walls. Revis Cro Skrine Milliner McDougall Williams I really do not want them to give up on Milliner or McDougall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetmech Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 My thoughts exactly....I was surprised he didn't make a stronger statement about not wanting to deal Milliner and I doubt they will. His contract is structured in a way that will allow it if Milliner steps up and stays healthy. He didn't because the injury itself and his play. Pointless to trade him for nothing. He's depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleSlugger25 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I think in the ideal world of Maccagnan's mind, Milliner makes Cromartie expendable by the end of the year. Yup. The Cro deal is only guaranteed for this year. He can be cut, with zero cap hit, before next year. We can't rely on Milliner as our #2 heading into the year, but we also can't cut bait on a kid this young that showed flashes as the end of his rookie campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 By Glenn Naughton As Jets general manager Mike Maccagnan’s recent free agent spending spree resulted in the addition of cornerbacks Darrelle Revis, Antonio Cromartie and Buster Skrine, the moves will clearly have a ripple effect on a depth chart that will see some players demoted and others traded or cut loose. With nine cornerbacks currently listed on the roster, there will be no shortage of competition come time for camp, but could also give the Jets ammunition to add an extra draft pick or two. While it’s probably safe to assume that former first round selection Dee Milliner and last season’s third round pick Dexter McDougle will be back in green and white, that remains to be seen. Reports recently surfaced indicating there is some interest in Milliner on the trade market, and Maccagnan was noncommittal regarding Milliner’s future with the team. Trading the promising young cornerback would make little sense given Cromartie’s age and injury history as well as Milliners manageable $3.4 million salary. Like Milliner, McDougle suffered a season ending injury early on when he tore his ACL during training camp. Prior to that however, reports on the rookie were glowing, saying that he was turning heads and making a run at the no. 2 CB spot. Despite having not been drafted by the current regime, McDougle’s youth, potential and cap hit ($675,000) should make him a favorite to stick around. Should that be the case, it would move both of last year’s starters, Darrin Walls and Marcus Williams from the top two spots, to the 6th and 7th. One of the few pleasant surprises during last years 4-12 clunker, Williams should earn strong consideration to be retained depending on how Todd Bowles feels he’ll fit his scheme. Considered more of a zone corner as an undrafted free agent out of North Dakota State, Williams was asked to play his share of man coverage at times and far exceeded expectations. For example, in a week fifteen meeting with the New England Patriots, Williams was given a chance to match up against Patriots tight end Rob Gronkowski on multiple occasions. At 5′ 11” 196 lbs Williams didn’t back down from the 6′ 6” 265lb Gronkowski. He challenged him at the line and played physical football in holding the pro-bowler to 2 receptions on 3 targets for just 18 yards. Walls on the other hand spent each of the previous two seasons with the Jets but had just four career starts before being thrust in to a starting role. Even on a Jets team that was thin at the position, Walls was viewed as a viable back-up who would likely be the fourth man on the depth chart before the injury bug hit the secondary. Once elevated to no. 1, Walls found himself defending the likes of Brandon Marshall, Demarius Thomas, Mike Wallace and Jordy Nelson. A schedule loaded with future hall of fame quarterbacks and some of the best receivers in the game would be a true test for the Notre Dame product. According to PFF.com, Marshall, Thomas, Nelson and Wallace were targeted a total of sixteen times when covered by Walls. Those attempts resulted in 8 completions for 93 yards and zero touchdowns to go along with four passes defended. That stat line, against some of the best receivers in the NFL is deserving of far more than being at the bottom of any depth chart and should intrigue any team looking to add depth at the position. With the NFL draft just over a month away, could we see the Jets and Maccagnan continue their wheeling and dealing in an effort to move either Walls or Williams? While neither is likely to fetch more than a late round pick, it may be worth putting out some feelers to get something in return for two young players who are unlikely to see much action for the better part of the next two years. with Bowles system now, even MORE CB driven than Jets I thin kwe see most CBs kept by Jets unless they think a hidden gem is there in draft that is better than our backup CBs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Need 6 DB's to execute dime coverage. If you have depth at DB you keep it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 He didn't because the injury itself and his play. Pointless to trade him for nothing. He's depth. Agreed..that's why I implied Walls and Williams falling to 6 and 7 with Milliner and McDougle staying put. Bowles may very well decide to carry six or seven CB's, but I'd be shocked if he did. Especailly given the Gilchrist addition because despite being a safety, he'd be fine covering the slot if asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Revis - injury history and aging Cromartie - Same as above Skrine - solid slot guy who can play the outside if necessary. Not sure of his injury history but is young. Miliner - Injury history, sporadic play at best. Not sure when he'll be completely healthy and ready. McDougle - injury history. Hasn't played an NFL down. Not sure if he's any good, seemed to be over drafted. We know Bowles likes to employ 6, even 7 DBs at a time. It's a passing league. Why would they look to trade or release two guys who played decently enough last season? God forbid a few CBs get hurt in training camp and we're bringing Kyle Wilson back from the bottom of the barrel with Phillip Adams. Learn from the mistakes, don't make them again. Some teams may have inquired because of the so called "surplus" of corners we now have; that doesn't mean Mac is interested in trading him; for very reasons you stated. Just reporters chasing a non-story imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Schroy Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Get Kyle Wilson and Eric Smith back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 DM may not be ready till mid season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Carry seven CBs? I don't see why not. Someone is going to get hurt and make this a pointless conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I don't see why not. Someone is going to get hurt and make this a pointless conversation. Could happen..but if somebody is just dinged up and not IR worthy, that's a whole lot of roster space on DB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 15 minutes ago we needed to spend money. Now we've put our self in a hole. this is funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Either Milliner or Cro will be gone in 2016. Maccagnan has done a terrific job of giving himself the option to choose between the two with minimal cap hit. Same for Gilchrist and the other safeties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Get Kyle Wilson and Eric Smith back. Thanks for bringing back memories.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek5Zyzn3Avw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Some teams may have inquired because of the so called "surplus" of corners we now have; that doesn't mean Mac is interested in trading him; for very reasons you stated. Just reporters chasing a non-story imho. It was a bit more than that. I think if we got an offer from someone still smitten with what they once saw in Milliner (e.g. a 2nd rounder) then Maccagnan would take it. Which is why he didn't say Milliner is off-limits but rather that he said we weren't just going to give him away for a late round pick (I forget his exact wording, but that was the implication). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Schroy Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Thanks for bringing back memories.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek5Zyzn3Avw Sorry bout that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Too many corners is a great problem to have. We won't cut or trade any until we absolutely need to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Revis Cro Skrine Milliner McDougall These guys are all sure-things. I expect they'll carry another 2 on top of that tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Pff thinking Walls did well invalidates pff as a good resource. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 With he emphasis on passing in the league it is nice to have some depth to work with especially after last year's disaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Pff thinking Walls did well invalidates pff as a good resource. It had him doing well in some games and poorly in others. Emphasis was put on the good games to show that if he was solid against an offense's no. 1 and no. 2 options the he should have some value as a depth 3/4 guy. If you want to discuss PFF's validity, that has an awesome thread of its own on the front page...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Get Kyle Wilson and Eric Smith back. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliforniaJet Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Kyle Wilson is still available?? Not even Rex will take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Have not seen any team picking up Wilson yet- finger wagging is not in this off season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Why? To save money on those rookie contracts? Lmao. Not happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Yet we needed to sign Cro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Yet we needed to sign Cro. Yes, we needed to sign Cro. He is an upgrade with no cap implications after this season. If Milliner develops, he may be expendable next year depending on this season's performance, and Milliner's progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 delete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Did this guy do anything other than look at the reported value of the contracts, because despite appearances they are all pay as you fo contracts which are easy to get out of and will have little effect on our long term cap situation. Dumb uninformed article is dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Did this guy do anything other than look at the reported value of the contracts, because despite appearances they are all pay as you fo contracts which are easy to get out of and will have little effect on our long term cap situation. Dumb uninformed article is dumb. Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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