drdetroit Posted April 2, 2015 Author Share Posted April 2, 2015 "A better prospect than two UDFAs!!!" "We **MUST** draft him in the 2nd!!!" "Our offensive line is going to sh*t, but we **NEED** to draft a hybrid TE in the second!!!" Never mind the fact that we already have two and another oversized gooch WR. Dr. Detroit, you are on record for Scherff and Funchess, right? Dream scenario? Nah man we should draft two mediocre Olb's and hope they each can average one sack per year like Melvin Ingram and Dion Jordan or even better draft a glorified option qb at 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted April 2, 2015 Author Share Posted April 2, 2015 Jeff Cumberland...wait for it....moved from TE to WR at Illinois and ran a 4.45 10 lbs heavier. Jerry Rice ran a 4.71 and 4.59 at his workouts. Cumby > Rice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Jerry Rice ran a 4.71 and 4.59 at his workouts. Cumby > Rice JERRY RICE NEVER RAN A ******* 4.7. THAT IS A ******* MYTH. He ran in the 4.5s. He dropped because he went to a small school. Not his 40 time. I am going to start neg repping every post that claims Rice ran a 4.7 or that Fitzgerald ran (insert whatever bullsh*t slow time you want) at the combine. Fitzgerald did not even run at the combine and some moron cited a 4.63 which everybody has repeated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Here is one for you. ESPN combine report Amari Cooper WR 4.86 http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft/combine/_/id/1 I assume this is like Wikipedia? Like a picture of the cast of Annie with a caption under Sara Jessica Parker that says "Aw, back when she was just a pony" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Jerry Rice ran a 4.71 and 4.59 at his workouts. Cumby > Rice Dr. Detroit, you sir, are a ******* genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 HE'S NOT A HYBRID TE DAMMIT!!!! lol, I gotta admit that was funny. He isn't by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Jeff Cumberland...wait for it....moved from TE to WR at Illinois and ran a 4.45 10 lbs heavier. JEFF CUMBERLAND! Slooowly I turned.... Step by step..... You know on a serious note; I wonder if our new coaching staff will be able to get anything out of Cumberland. The guy looks like Tarzan and plays like Jane. It would be awesome if Gailey found a way to really utilize his talents (assuming he can stay on the field long enough that is.) On another note, Funchess has much quicker feet, and moves more like a wide out than tight end. He is best suited playing at around 235 which is very light for a tight end. Cumberland is just the opposite and is more suited to play tight end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 There is at least 12 wr's I'd take before Funchess. I am not in favor of drafting him because we have Brandon Marshall, but I think alot of you guys are seriously under rating what he brings on the next level. If he goes to team with an innovative "outside the box" thinking HC/OC this guy is going to become a walking, talking mismatch and a nightmare for defensive backs. You let Bill Belicheck get his paws on him and see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I am not in favor of drafting him because we have Brandon Marshall, but I think alot of you guys are seriously under rating what he brings on the next level. If he goes to team with an innovative "outside the box" thinking HC/OC this guy is going to become a walking, talking mismatch and a nightmare for defensive backs. You let Bill Belicheck get his paws on him and see what happens. I don't think move tight ends are innovative or outside the box anymore. In fact, I think they are all the rage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I don't think move tight ends are innovative or outside the box anymore. In fact, I think they are all the rage. I give up.... lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Michigan's Devin Funchess Could Be a Matchup Weapon in the Pros By Matt Bowen, NFL National Lead Writer Apr 2, 2015 SHARE TWEET NEXT ARTICLE » Use your ← → (arrow) keys to browse more stories Getty Images 10.0K Reads 43 Comments The term "hybrid" is often overused in the draft process. We use it to describe a player who has a skill set that can make him a fit in multiple roles, depending on what a team needs. It's all about finding the "value" in a player and maximizing the talent by putting him in a position to succeed, produce and impact the game plan on Sunday. This brings us to Michigan prospect Devin Funchess. The 6'4", 232-pounder with a 38.5 inch vertical jump moved from tight end to wide receiver in 2014. He's been labeled as a player who can create bad matchups for the opponent lining up in a variety of spots on the field to utilize his size, length and frame to go get the football. Call him a "hybrid" if you want, but the goal isn't going to change when he gets into an NFL system. He's going to catch passes from different alignments. And a smart team, a well-coached team, will find situations where he can make plays. As one NFL scout told me, Funchess can be featured like former Green Bay Packer Jermichael Finely, who was more of a "big slot receiver than a tight end." Matt Cashore-USA TODAY Sports This is a player that can be used to beat a linebacker up the seam, run a comeback, run a fade, run a post, match up against a cornerback outside or work underneath—in the middle of the field—on third downs to move the sticks against zone coverages. You want to reduce his alignment and get him matched up against a linebacker in a Cover 2 defense? That works. And so does the idea of Funchess running the fade route in the red zone. Back at the combine in February, there was a negative buzz on Funchess when he posted a 4.70 40. That's a slow time for a "stopwatch position" in the pros. But Funchess changed the narrative at his pro day when he ran in the high 4.4 to low 4.5 range and also registered a 6.98 three-cone time. Those are wide receiver numbers. The NFL scouts point to that workout in Ann Arbor, the size he brings to the field and the versatility he can create for an NFL offense based on game situation. He has excellent body control, the flexibility to adjust to the ball and a large catch radius. Here's an example of that from the Utah-Michigan game in 2014 with Funchess running a deep slant versus a cornerback playing from an outside leverage position. Credit: Draft Breakdown The ball placement here is poor as the quarterback puts this throw on Funchess' back shoulder, but look at how the wide out adjusts at the point of attack, flips his hips and secures the ball with his hands to finish. That's good football to make this play in traffic. In the tape I've watched, there is a lot to like when focusing on Funchess' skill set, and he flashes play-making ability in one-on-one situations regardless of where he lines up on the field. You can look at the Notre Dame tape to watch Funchess run routes inside the numbers or flip on the Ohio State game and check out the wide receiver winning matchups outside versus the National Champs. In this example versus Ohio State, Funchess runs the deep post against man-coverage to win down the field. Credit: Draft Breakdown Basic route we are looking at here with Funchess taking an outside release and then stemming inside to gain leverage on the cornerback. That's all he needs to pin the defender and shield him from the ball at the point of attack. Use that size and length to win. Play big and create an explosive gain. I do think the tape on Funchess from 2013 is better when he did play tight end in the Michigan system, but he wasn't an old-school, on-the-line guy every snap. Instead, he was removed from the core of the formation often (like a wide receiver) and that's where we can see those matchup situations as he draws a safety or linebacker in coverage. Check this out from the 2013 game against Penn State with Funchess lined up in a stack that allows him to work the deep seam route versus a linebacker. Credit: Draft Breakdown The defensive call from Penn State probably looks good on the chalkboard, with the linebacker carrying the seam, but this is a matchup that favors Funchess due to his athleticism. Funchess presses the route up the field, out-runs the defender, adjusts to the ball and makes the play. I've heard the comparisons made with Funchess to Carolina Panthers' wide receiver Kelvin Benjamin. The former Florida State star has size outside, can find the football and did produce as a rookie this past season, working with quarterback Cam Newton. But I do think Benjamin has more explosive-play ability, acceleration down the field and he is stronger at the point of attack. And that's when some questions start to roll in on Funchess. There are signs of inconsistency when the drops show up on tape. It's frustrating to watch as he can fail to finish. Plus, there are times when he doesn't go up and climb the ladder to use that size. Too many plays left on the field. The scouts see it too, and while they do bring up to the sub-par quarterback play and overall offensive issues at Michigan this past season, there are concerns where Funchess is at in terms of his overall development at the position. There is a somewhat raw feel to his game when focusing on route running, as Funchess can get stuck in his breaks, and he doesn't always play to his timed speed. That's why Funchess isn't listed in the first tier of wide receivers in the 2015 class and is most likely to come off the board at some point on Day 2 of the draft. But even with the questions and the learning curve Funchess will have to work through in the NFL, scouts still like his talent and the opportunities he can provide on the pro stage. Like I said above, calling Funchess a "hybrid" player is fine, but he will earn his money in the NFL as a wide receiver that could ultimately be a matchup weapon for the right offense. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2416389-michigans-devin-funchess-could-be-a-matchup-weapon-in-the-pros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 what about jamison crowder in the 3rd , something like that ? he would be a sweet slot/KOR guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Big no from me, I would bet DGB is there at 37 and even if he is not there are likely to be other players who are better available such as Devin Smith, Dorsett (who I don't like), hell I would even take Coates over him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I am not in favor of drafting him because we have Brandon Marshall, but I think alot of you guys are seriously under rating what he brings on the next level. If he goes to team with an innovative "outside the box" thinking HC/OC this guy is going to become a walking, talking mismatch and a nightmare for defensive backs. You let Bill Belicheck get his paws on him and see what happens. He could be a mismatch for NFL LBs, not DBs...imo. Potential red zone guy and/or in 4-5 receiver sets as the underneath guy. Saints would/could be a good fit imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Big no from me, I would bet DGB is there at 37 and even if he is not there are likely to be other players who are better available such as Devin Smith, Dorsett (who I don't like), hell I would even take Coates over him. More times than not these "bigger" guys fail in the NFL because bottom line, they can't separate. I'd rather the smaller, faster, better route runner all day everyday. Although Kelvin Benjamin is a guy who's recently bucked the trend so you never know. I suppose Vincent Jackson and Marshall have something to say about that too. However I don't think Funchess is in their class, but jmo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 ****eth noeth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 More times than not these "bigger" guys fail in the NFL because bottom line, they can't separate. I'd rather the smaller, faster, better route runner all day everyday. Although Kelvin Benjamin is a guy who's recently bucked the trend so you never know. I suppose Vincent Jackson and Marshall have something to say about that too. However I don't think Funchess is in their class, but jmo. I guess we will see. I have no problem with your point about smaller, faster etc. that is why I am in favor of drafting Phillip Dorsett at 37 if he is there. However it is about having complimentary parts to me and since we already have big receivers in Marshall and Decker it just makes sense to compliment that abilities with a Dorsett type. However if that was all we had I would want a bigger receiver. Btw that trend for oversized receivers seems to be growing as this draft may feature the most number of wrs over 6'1 drafted in the first and second rounds. Just look at the first round: Cooper 6'1 White 6'3 Perriman 6'2 Parker 6'3 Strong 6'3 DGB 6'5 Devin Smith at 6'1, Coates at 6'2, Funchess at 6'5 all of whom will probably go in the 2nd round, and you see where this is going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
operaguy Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Go or no-go? I say go. Detriot Md. are you sure this isn't a bit of hometown favoritism towards a Wolverine? In all seriousness I would like that pick in the second round. He is more polished than Hill and he has the right size. Perhaps there is better value there but this wouldn't be a bad pick in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Detriot Md. are you sure this isn't a bit of hometown favoritism towards a Wolverine? In all seriousness I would like that pick in the second round. He is more polished than Hill and he has the right size. Perhaps there is better value there but this wouldn't be a bad pick in my book. I would prefer we go for the speedster, but if they feel Owusu can fill that role, I would be okay with Funchess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 DeVante Parker - WR - Cardinals ESPN's Kevin Weidl compares Louisville WR DeVante Parker to A.J. Green. "Green was a more polished route-runner and a tad bit quicker transitioning out of breaks coming out of Georgia," Weidl wrote. "However, both have long, slender and flexible frames with excellent range tracking throws, and also have the body control and leaping ability to win in contested situations." Meanwhile, based on numbers, Sharon Katz of the Stats & Information Group compares Parker to Michael Floyd, A.J. Green and Martavis Bryant. "Parker is tall (slightly under 6-3) and lean (209 pounds) with long arms and average hands; his build is most similar to Bryant's, but his athleticism most closely resembles that of Floyd and Green," she wrote. "He has good straight-line speed (4.45 40), which is within 0.05 seconds of all three players listed above, and above-average leaping ability for his size." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Why not Darren Waller? Did Stephen Hill hurt you that badly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Why not Darren Waller? Did Stephen Hill hurt you that badly? In what round ? good developmental prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 In what round ? good developmental prospect. What round do you think? The JN mock went 5 full rounds and something like 25 WRs were picked and he was still on the board. I can't see him lasting that long. Somebody will fall in love with his physical attributes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 What round do you think? The JN mock went 5 full rounds and something like 25 WRs were picked and he was still on the board. I can't see him lasting that long. Somebody will fall in love with his physical attributes. late 5th to priority free agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 late 5th to priority free agent. I was thinking he'll probably gone by the end of the 5th. I would be first in his driveway to sign him as an UDFA. This guy has an interesting take: http://www.ninersnation.com/2015/4/4/8345797/revisiting-force-as-an-nfl-draft-measurement He rates the players by "newtons" which is basically a size/speed (mass*acceleration) figure. Then he looks at the "playmaker score" which is a football outsiders measure. Then he comes up with some figure based on how well they *should* have performed. The most interesting thing to me is that Amari Cooper comes out at the top no matter what rating system you use. Perriman also grades our very high. White and DeVante Parker are scary to this dude. The playmaker score HATES Parker, but is very high on Diggs and Titus Davis. It also rates a different Georgia Tech WR very high, DeAndre Smelter-with appropriate small sample size/Stephen Hill sucks explanation. They both have Funchess pretty high. From what I have seen I would prefer Perriman http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2015/playmaker-score-2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JN QB Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Round 2-3 WR target should be Tyler Lockett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted April 7, 2015 Author Share Posted April 7, 2015 Sounds like along of jet fans have blue balls over Idzik drafting a JAG Strong Safety over Brandin Cooks last year. Cooks was a no brainer. Insert WR you saw run below a 4.4 is not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Anyone have any info/thoughts on Rannell Hall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Anyone have any info/thoughts on Rannell Hall? I don't know much about him, but I remember he said he ran a 4.41 at his pro day. It was reported in the articles about his classmate, Perriman. He was supposed to be a track guy with good vertical speed, but only ran 4.6 at the combine. I'm not sure what his track event was. Maybe he was a top ender? There was a blurb that said a scout hoped he would have a quiet Senior Bowl to keep him under the radar. Seemed to imply he looked good, but I don't remember anybody around here falling in love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Anyone have any info/thoughts on Rannell Hall? Late round pick with excellent body control and decent hands. Looks like the kind of kid who makes a team and is hard to cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 I don't know much about him, but I remember he said he ran a 4.41 at his pro day. It was reported in the articles about his classmate, Perriman. He was supposed to be a track guy with good vertical speed, but only ran 4.6 at the combine. I'm not sure what his track event was. Maybe he was a top ender? There was a blurb that said a scout hoped he would have a quiet Senior Bowl to keep him under the radar. Seemed to imply he looked good, but I don't remember anybody around here falling in love. Cool, thanks. I remember watching UCF and him and not Perriman standing out with Bortles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Cool, thanks. I remember watching UCF and him and not Perriman standing out with Bortles. I don't remember seeing him at all, but what Tinstar said fits the NFL.com scouting report: Bottom Line Isn't going to get teams excited with his size, play speed or hands, but he's willing to do whatever is asked of him and flashes enough potential to be viewed as a developmental prospect. Anybody remember him from the senior bowl? I never watched it and lost all my DVR stuff when they switched boxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Round 2-3 WR target should be Tyler Lockett No thanks. I think there will be better receivers on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 I was thinking he'll probably gone by the end of the 5th. I would be first in his driveway to sign him as an UDFA. This guy has an interesting take: http://www.ninersnation.com/2015/4/4/8345797/revisiting-force-as-an-nfl-draft-measurement He rates the players by "newtons" which is basically a size/speed (mass*acceleration) figure. Then he looks at the "playmaker score" which is a football outsiders measure. Then he comes up with some figure based on how well they *should* have performed. The most interesting thing to me is that Amari Cooper comes out at the top no matter what rating system you use. Perriman also grades our very high. White and DeVante Parker are scary to this dude. The playmaker score HATES Parker, but is very high on Diggs and Titus Davis. It also rates a different Georgia Tech WR very high, DeAndre Smelter-with appropriate small sample size/Stephen Hill sucks explanation. They both have Funchess pretty high. From what I have seen I would prefer Perriman http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2015/playmaker-score-2015 Perriman is now considered a mid first round pick. In fact, he could come off the board before Parker, believe it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Perriman is now considered a mid first round pick. In fact, he could come off the board before Parker, believe it or not. I'd take him before Funchess. These guys hate Parker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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