Jetsfan80 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 This next round brings up what I don't like about mock drafts. I have 3 4th rounders in the span of about 10 picks. I could move one, but I can't move the low one because it is a comp pick. I have 3 5ths and a 6th. I'd probably rather have a few 7ths to throw around, but the value probably isn't there. I will submit my PFA list after Mr. Irrelevant. Quit whining you d*ck, I don't have a 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Quit whining you d*ck, I don't have a 4th. Quit whining? What will I post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Quit whining? What will I post? An announcement of a trade where you give me allllll your 4th rounders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Have a deal in the works, otherwise I'll get a pick submitted in a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Have a deal in the works, otherwise I'll get a pick submitted in a bit Jets are still on the clock anyway -- pick is still with 32eboozer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Chargers fourth is for sale btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Sorry guys, just got home. Give me a few minutes. What's with this trade I'm hearing about... gotta' check that out first! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted April 15, 2015 Author Share Posted April 15, 2015 So Detroit traded away reserve DE George Johnson (Rutgers) to Tampa. I see Shadetree already drafted DE Mario Edwards in round 2. Perfect. He can play behind Ansah and Jones for a year and then take over for Jones next season. Works out nice. As for Tampa, it is reported that Johnson signed a 3 year, $9,000,000 contract, but it has not been reported how much is guaranteed. I think they plan to start the Rutgers alum if they are paying him that much. Good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Jets take FS Derron Smith FS Fresno State. Gilchrist doesn't seem to be a long term solution. Mayock has him ranked as his 2 best Safety behind Collins. Was hoping to find good value @ OL but Miller (Lou) and Kouandjo (Ala) don't excite me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted April 15, 2015 Author Share Posted April 15, 2015 Jets take FS Derron Smith FS Fresno State. Gilchrist doesn't seem to be a long term solution. Mayock has him ranked as his 2 best Safety behind Collins. Was hoping to find good value @ OL but Miller (Lou) and Kouandjo (Ala) don't excite me. I think Kouandjo would be a good pick for the Jets in rd 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Don't worry on the real draft day the Jets can trade up to the mid 6th round and get him Analysis Strengths On-target with hand strikes and works to steer his man out of the play in run game. Good in short-pull game and will fire himself into linebackers with force. Understands how to work in tandem and finds a way to get guys blocked. Has long arms and uses his length for redirect. Weaknesses Stiff throughout his lower body and mechanical. Poor change of direction when asked to leave his phone booth and venture beyond line of scrimmage. Is only marginal peeling off block to pick up blitzes and twists. Uses lean over leverage as run blocker. Balance issues make it hard for him to sustain blocks after contact on the move. Poor athleticism in general. Draft Projection Round 5 or 6 Sources Tell Us "Not a fan. I've always thought he was bad. Name only, can't play." -- SEC defensive coordinator Bottom Line While Kouandjio has been part of a successful team at Alabama, that doesn't mean he is ready to take that next step. At times it's painful to watch Kouandjio try to move in space and he's limited to blocks that are right in front of him. His lack of functional athleticism and versatility will limit his NFL chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patman Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 I think Kouandjo would be a good pick for the Jets in rd 4. His knees are what scare everyone. I know linemen can play with a brace, but that is the reason I went with Mateus for the pats, that and Dante Scarnecia and Trickett are tight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted April 15, 2015 Author Share Posted April 15, 2015 His knees are what scare everyone. I know linemen can play with a brace, but that is the reason I went with Mateus for the pats, that and Dante Scarnecia and Trickett are tight. I was not aware. Thanks for the info. Once we get past the latter part of round 3, I am not as familiar with the prospects. That's one of the reasons I participate in these.. to learn more about these guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 So Detroit traded away reserve DE George Johnson (Rutgers) to Tampa. I see Shadetree already drafted DE Mario Edwards in round 2. Perfect. He can play behind Ansah and Jones for a year and then take over for Jones next season. Works out nice. As for Tampa, it is reported that Johnson signed a 3 year, $9,000,000 contract, but it has not been reported how much is guaranteed. I think they plan to start the Rutgers alum if they are paying him that much. Good luck with that. Hey!! I did not approve of this trade. Let me get Tampa on the phone and get back my 5th round pick!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Thanks for doing all this for us Lith!! Nice to see in one place how every team has drafted! NFC Teams Through Round 3: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 there are so many teams having excellent drafts here. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 Hey!! I did not approve of this trade. Let me get Tampa on the phone and get back my 5th round pick!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Chargers fourth is for sale btw. I'll give you five bucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 I'll give you five bucks. #500rbust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Miami(Beerfish) has 4 picks. #1 (trade up for K.White) a 4th, 5th and 6th (IIANM) Trader Mike's gonna be in Cap Hell again with all these huge contracts and they still need to sigh Tannehill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Jets take FS Derron Smith FS Fresno State. Gilchrist doesn't seem to be a long term solution. Mayock has him ranked as his 2 best Safety behind Collins. Was hoping to find good value @ OL but Miller (Lou) and Kouandjo (Ala) don't excite me. Didn't get into it last night because I was watching the Islander game, but this pick really ticked me off. Derron Smith is the guy I traded up to take with the pick after the Jets. I would have liked to wait until the Skins were on the clock to make the deal, but I was gonna be out for a couple hours. Figured I would go ahead with the trade early -- just hoping the Jets would not trade down (I wanted to get ahead of Chi & Atl who both had a need there), because I assumed there was no way Jets would take a Safety. Then I get home and see that Booz took Smith. Rob Havenstein is not a bad consolation prize, he would be able to compete with Gosder Cherilous who just isn't that good, but I was expecting to get Smith in that spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Didn't get into it last night because I was watching the Islander game, but this pick really ticked me off. Derron Smith is the guy I traded up to take with the pick after the Jets. I would have liked to wait until the Skins were on the clock to make the deal, but I was gonna be out for a couple hours. Figured I would go ahead with the trade early -- just hoping the Jets would not trade down (I wanted to get ahead of Chi & Atl who both had a need there), because I assumed there was no way Jets would take a Safety. Then I get home and see that Booz took Smith. Rob Havenstein is not a bad consolation prize, he would be able to compete with Gosder Cherilous who just isn't that good, but I was expecting to get Smith in that spot. That Islander game was very fun to watch... good game. If Derron Smith was still on the board and you offered me the trade out I'd still stick with the pick and take my long term FS. I like the film on this kid. Gilchrist doesn't have the instincts this kid has as a ball hawking FS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 That Islander game was very fun to watch... good game. If Derron Smith was still on the board and you offered me the trade out I'd still stick with the pick and take my long term FS. I like the film on this kid. Gilchrist doesn't have the instincts this kid has as a ball hawking FS. I think Havenstein would have been a better pick for the Jets than Smith (not just because I wanted to take Smith for the Colts). The guy I want to be prepared to replace for 2016 is Breno. Unless he plays a lot better than he did last season, he is a likely cap casualty in 2016 -- he would clear almost $4MM cap space. Havenstein is a prototypical RT prospect who could compete with Breno this season, but more likely by ready to take over next year. Similar reasoning to why you picked Smith -- I just think I like Gilchrist a bit more than you do. I think he played a lot out of position is SD since both he and Weddle are better suited to FS which is the role he will play here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 I think Havenstein would have been a better pick for the Jets than Smith (not just because I wanted to take Smith for the Colts). The guy I want to be prepared to replace for 2016 is Breno. Unless he plays a lot better than he did last season, he is a likely cap casualty in 2016 -- he would clear almost $4MM cap space. Havenstein is a prototypical RT prospect who could compete with Breno this season, but more likely by ready to take over next year. Similar reasoning to why you picked Smith -- I just think I like Gilchrist a bit more than you do. I think he played a lot out of position is SD since both he and Weddle are better suited to FS which is the role he will play here. People seem to forget that Gilchrist was stuck in the SS spot in San Diego because Weddle is their big time center fielder. Gilchrist was out of position SS just like Pryor was here as FS. THat doesn't prove Gilchrist will be special or anything, but playing in more of his natural position woould improve his performance a lot. He's almost like a CB. And Bowles likes to have as many ball hawks out there as possible. I think we need to wait and see with Gilchrist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 I think Havenstein would have been a better pick for the Jets than Smith (not just because I wanted to take Smith for the Colts). The guy I want to be prepared to replace for 2016 is Breno. Unless he plays a lot better than he did last season, he is a likely cap casualty in 2016 -- he would clear almost $4MM cap space. Havenstein is a prototypical RT prospect who could compete with Breno this season, but more likely by ready to take over next year. Similar reasoning to why you picked Smith -- I just think I like Gilchrist a bit more than you do. I think he played a lot out of position is SD since both he and Weddle are better suited to FS which is the role he will play here. People seem to forget that Gilchrist was stuck in the SS spot in San Diego because Weddle is their big time center fielder. Gilchrist was out of position SS just like Pryor was here as FS. THat doesn't prove Gilchrist will be special or anything, but playing in more of his natural position woould improve his performance a lot. He's almost like a CB. And Bowles likes to have as many ball hawks out there as possible. I think we need to wait and see with Gilchrist. Salary wise, I think they are similar. Giacomini and Gilchrist will both have a bit under $2M in dead money next year and bit under $4M in cap savings. The main difference is that we have not had a chance to sour on Gilchrist yet and he seems to be a guy that Bowles targeted. He'll be getting $5-6M a year for the rest of that deal so having a replacement is good business, but I tend to think the secondary is a bit crowded this year to go drafting . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Salary wise, I think they are similar. Giacomini and Gilchrist will both have a bit under $2M in dead money next year and bit under $4M in cap savings. The main difference is that we have not had a chance to sour on Gilchrist yet and he seems to be a guy that Bowles targeted. He'll be getting $5-6M a year for the rest of that deal so having a replacement is good business, but I tend to think the secondary is a bit crowded this year to go drafting . . Salary impact would be almost identical to move on from GIlchrist or Breno. As you point out, the difference is we have already seen what Breno can do, and it has not been that good. We are awfully thin at the tackle position beyond Breno & Brick. Yes, we brought in a couple of veteran journeymen over the last month but none who could be thought of as long term answers at the postiion. At this point, I see it as more of a priority to get a young tackle with upside to have some depth and I like Havenstein's upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Salary impact would be almost identical to move on from GIlchrist or Breno. As you point out, the difference is we have already seen what Breno can do, and it has not been that good. We are awfully thin at the tackle position beyond Breno & Brick. Yes, we brought in a couple of veteran journeymen over the last month but none who could be thought of as long term answers at the postiion. At this point, I see it as more of a priority to get a young tackle with upside to have some depth and I like Havenstein's upside. Agreed. I like Derron Smith too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Agreed. I like Derron Smith too. I like Derron Smith or I wouldn't have tried to trade up to take him. Maybe its just sour grapes since Boozer ruined my plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 I like Derron Smith or I wouldn't have tried to trade up to take him. Maybe its just sour grapes since Boozer ruined my plan. I was sure that's who you wanted. Personally I like the Kouandjie pick for the Skins better than Smith. Yes, he's got knee problems...but I'm less concerned when paired with Jackson. Their guard situation is atrocious with a lot of money tied up there. Worth the gamble on his health for the chance to get two starting linemen in rounds 3 and 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Happy Birthday Beerfish/Miami. Langston is a great pick up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 I think Havenstein would have been a better pick for the Jets than Smith (not just because I wanted to take Smith for the Colts). The guy I want to be prepared to replace for 2016 is Breno. Unless he plays a lot better than he did last season, he is a likely cap casualty in 2016 -- he would clear almost $4MM cap space. Havenstein is a prototypical RT prospect who could compete with Breno this season, but more likely by ready to take over next year. Similar reasoning to why you picked Smith -- I just think I like Gilchrist a bit more than you do. I think he played a lot out of position is SD since both he and Weddle are better suited to FS which is the role he will play here. Haverstein is very slow, with terrible recovery skills once a DLmen gets him turned. So I don't think he'd be an up grade or = Giacomini. We already have Aboushi and Dozier who played LT in college. I'll stick with them over this guy. Aboushi( 34" arms 10.5" hands) and Dozier projects more towards Guard. Thought I'd see what they both have entering their 3rd and 2nd years respectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Happy Birthday Beerfish/Miami. Langston is a great pick up. I like Langford a lot as a mid round guy. He's an all around player that does everything well by reports. Could be the next Alfred Morris type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Haverstein is very slow, with terrible recovery skills once a DLmen gets him turned. So I don't think he'd be an up grade or = Giacomini. We already have Aboushi and Dozier who played LT in college. I'll stick with them over this guy. Aboushi( 34" arms 10.5" hands) and Dozier projects more towards Guard. Thought I'd see what they both have entering their 3rd and 2nd years respectively. I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one, my friend. I like Havenstein, think he has adequate quickness to play tackle at the next level and could potentially be the guy to replace Breno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one, my friend. I like Havenstein, think he has adequate quickness to play tackle at the next level and could potentially be the guy to replace Breno. Haverstien = Breno.... but cheaper. Maybe we agree after all. I personally think Aboushi can take over RT or even Carpenter for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJetsVets91 Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Texans pick is in, pm sent to gato. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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