Spread Offense

[varjet]

it would appear to me that the Jets organization has chosen a Chip Kelly light spread offense a la Chan Gailey.

The belief there would be less QB centric and more team centric.

Given Geno, picking up Fitzpatrick, and looking at Hundley, that would make sense.

They are not trading for Rivers or keeping Simms. We will draft, somewhere, a spread QB. It could be Mariota.

[32EBoozer]

Fitzpatrick is way down the list for me when I think of a spread offense QB.

 

I think we play more West Coast to be honest. Quick release throws to RB's and slants with the occasional bomb.

[Lupz27]

Fitzpatrick is way down the list for me when I think of a spread offense QB.

I think we play more West Coast to be honest. Quick release throws to RB's and slants with the occasional bomb.

That's kinda what the spread is.

[Lupz27]

Spread offense doesn't mean you need a running QB, Tom Brady is the best Spread QB in NFL history.

[RSJ]

^ this

Spread is fast paced, no huddle. The objective is to get the most amount of offensive plays possible.

[papz187]

It seems Fitz played his best in Gaileys spread offense, and now he'd have more weapons than he did in Buffalo. Hopefully Geno can build off the end of last season too, giving us hope for the future (holding out some optomism).

Decker had a hell of a year given the QB situation, dealing with the hammy, and being the number one threat and only consistent receiver on the team. Now he moves down a slot with Marshall, opening things up for him and Kerley (who I'm hoping has a bounce back season, I think he'll fit in great in this offense). If we add Cooper, we'll be stacked at receiver, and still are developing Amaro as well.

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[32EBoozer]

^ this

Spread is fast paced, no huddle. The objective is to get the most amount of offensive plays possible.

I would call a Spread offense more like Oregon/Philly with 4 wide, incredible pace and unbalanced lines and every play is a QB read option out of the shotgun

 

N.E. does not use the read option. They use more of a standard West Coast, standard set where Brady runs 50% of snaps out of the shotgun.

 

Semantics I guess.... spread/read option/ west coast. Everybody has to put their own spin and nomenclature to these things.

[Gastineau Lives]

Bryce Petty?

[JayKwaz]

Bryce Petty?

+1

[32EBoozer]

Bryce Petty?

He has a visit scheduled with Jets next week.... this adds to the drama

[Gastineau Lives]

I'd be all for a Cooper/Petty ticket.

[BP]

^ this

Spread is fast paced, no huddle. The objective is to get the most amount of offensive plays possible.

and the key is unpredictable. you dont know what play will be called out of multiple formations. that is a great idea. put a horrible qb in a position to succeed. not take a 7 step drop on 3rd and 11 when we had GROUND AND POUND YEAH!!!!

[32EBoozer]

and the key is unpredictable. you dont know what play will be called out of multiple formations. that is a great idea. put a horrible qb in a position to succeed. not take a 7 step drop on 3rd and 11 when we had GROUND AND POUND YEAH!!!!

I thought it was having multiple plays available out of 1 formation. So, depending on the defensive alignment  the QB has the option of handoff, stretch play, QB sneak or pass to 4 different receivers who usually line up in the same formation.

[LinemanCT]

Bryce Petty?

Bryce Petty throws a nice ball... but in Baylor spread its 1 read and run there going to be a huge learning curve for this guy

[Lupz27]

I would call a Spread offense more like Oregon/Philly with 4 wide, incredible pace and unbalanced lines and every play is a QB read option out of the shotgun

N.E. does not use the read option. They use more of a standard West Coast, standard set where Brady runs 50% of snaps out of the shotgun.

Semantics I guess.... spread/read option/ west coast. Everybody has to put their own spin and nomenclature to these things.

NE absolutely uses the read option, it's just Brady reading whether to hand it off, or throw a bubble screen outside instead of him running it. Everything they do up in NE is 100% spread, not West Coast, and it's not semantics.

[32EBoozer]

NE absolutely uses the read option, it's just Brady reading whether to hand it off, or throw a bubble screen outside instead of him running it. Everything they do up in NE is 100% spread, not West Coast, and it's not semantics.

Well then, since you are obviously an expert, can you explain how the West Coast and spread differ?

[Lupz27]

Well then, since you are obviously an expert, can you explain how the West Coast and spread differ?

I'm not an expert, but I do know the difference in the spread, and WC offense. The spread offense is called the spread for a reason, it spreads the defense out, has nothing to do with read option plays, they just happen to be very effective when you spread the D out, particularly in college. Patriots line up spread out the D, this gives Brady an easy read on what D he is facing, and finds the open man, whether it be a bubble screen, a rub route, or a seam. WC uses typical pro style formations, and asks the QB to hit WR's in stride through open windows with slants, posts, and RB outs, and zags. Completely different language, completely different personal groupings, and completely different strategies. To understand it more go Google them.

[Savage69]

I would call a Spread offense more like Oregon/Philly with 4 wide, incredible pace and unbalanced lines and every play is a QB read option out of the shotgun

 

N.E. does not use the read option. They use more of a standard West Coast, standard set where Brady runs 50% of snaps out of the shotgun.

 

Semantics I guess.... spread/read option/ west coast. Everybody has to put their own spin and nomenclature to these things.

Isn't that exactly what the Jets did in the Monday night miracle game??

[32EBoozer]

Isn't that exactly what the Jets did in the Monday night miracle game??

Yeah..... Vinny was the classic Spread "O" QB.... LOL!

[Savage69]

Yeah..... Vinny was the classic Spread "O" QB.... LOL!

In the 4th quarter they didn't run that?? 

[Mr Third Down]

A spread offence uses multiple wide receivers to stretch the defense out along the line of scrimmage. Three or four, sometimes five wide receivers run routes to different areas of the field to stretch the defense vertically and horizontally down the field. That would often put a linebacker on a faster receiver. A misconception is that it's a pure passing attack. It can also be a running attack. The linebackers are spread out more,covering wide receivers thus opening holes for the running back or quarterback run option. That's why I think the Jets will pick Cooper or White in the first round, then a running back in the second or third, if the draft goes their way. With Marshall, Decker, Kerley, and Cooper/White to spread the field, and Ivory, Powell and Duke Johnson/Jay Ajayl/Tevin Coleman to pick from in the backfield, this could be a very potent attack, even with Smith as quarterback.

[Ex-Rex]

Fitzpatrick is way down the list for me when I think of a spread offense QB.

 

I think we play more West Coast to be honest. Quick release throws to RB's and slants with the occasional bomb.

I think Gailey will structure his offense to the strengths of his QB. If the Jets draft Mariota it would be a definite sign they are going with a spread offense. If Geno Smith wins the job they will have a slimmed down spread offense and if it's Fitzpatrick I could see a more WCO approach. My personal preference is Fitzpatrick to win the QB job and for the Jets to run the ball down peoples freakin throats with the occasional quick slant, post, fade and screen. Marshall will help clear things out in the deep game and Fitzpatrick can throw a pretty good deep ball. Geno simply is not a good thrower and is slow to react to stress.

[32EBoozer]

I think Gailey will structure his offense to the strengths of his QB. If the Jets draft Mariota it would be a definite sign they are going with a spread offense. If Geno Smith wins the job they will have a slimmed down spread offense and if it's Fitzpatrick I could see a more WCO approach. My personal preference is Fitzpatrick to win the QB job and for the Jets to run the ball down peoples freakin throats with the occasional quick slant, post, fade and screen. Marshall will help clear things out in the deep game and Fitzpatrick can throw a pretty good deep ball. Geno simply is not a good thrower and is slow to react to stress.

If Ivory/Ridley combo can stay healthy, that could be a very formidable tandem. Again, IF they can stay healthy.

[jack48]

I'm not an expert, but I do know the difference in the spread, and WC offense. The spread offense is called the spread for a reason, it spreads the defense out, has nothing to do with read option plays, they just happen to be very effective when you spread the D out, particularly in college. Patriots line up spread out the D, this gives Brady an easy read on what D he is facing, and finds the open man, whether it be a bubble screen, a rub route, or a seam. WC uses typical pro style formations, and asks the QB to hit WR's in stride through open windows with slants, posts, and RB outs, and zags. Completely different language, completely different personal groupings, and completely different strategies. To understand it more go Google them.

I don't like the WC.  l always thought of the spread as a multiple wideout look.  I do not see our RBs being ideal for a spread, since they do not get out quickly and catch well, except maybe Powell.  But he is not speedy.

[win4ever]

Well the main concept of the spread is really just to spread the defense out as much as possible, so teams have a harder time doubling guys, or being able to have many guys in the same vicinity, which has been Geno's main problem with us.  He's bad at reading secondary guys coming from the other side of the play and jumping the pass.  With the defense spread out, this is harder to do (not impossible), and allows more one on one matchups with the defender, and it's easier to decipher who has one on one coverage at the line of scrimmage.  This is why spread system QBs get questioned, because their first read is usually a guy that is covered one on one, and only if the guy is exceptionally covered, do they have to move to others, hence why a lot of them are one read QBs.  

 

The WC is different in that, it's not trying to get the one on one matchup as much, rather opting to use intricate timing where WR 1 will be at X spot in 3 seconds, WR 2 will be at Y spot in 5 seconds, so the QB has to look at X in 3, Y in 5, and progress that way.  It's set up moreso that the timing is the key, and if you can time it, then very hard to cover.  This is harder to learn because the timing is predicated on the drop backs, so any alteration to the drop back (a free runner, moving up in the pocket) can screw the entire thing for a young QB.  

 

I think Geno will do better in a spread offense, especially if we can run a fast paced offense and force defenses to keep certain personnel on the field.  In the past with our slow paced offense, almost always they would get specialized guys in for certain plays.  If we can get teams in a run defense personnel, then we can hurry up, and have a distinct advantage with our WRs, or vice versa.  That was one of things I hated about our offense before, almost always, we would just walk up to the line, all but ask if the defense if they were ready to go, and then play.  Even the plays where we would have some close call with our guys making a play that can be reviewed.  Most of the good teams, hurry up to the line to force the other coach to either challenge without getting good looks, or call a quick play to avoid a challenge overturn.  What do we do?  We run the down the clock, so the other team can get as many looks as possible.  I think even on one occassion (I forgot what game), we not only didn't hurry up, we wasted enough time that we had to call a time out, and during the break, the other team challenged.  

[Il Mostro]

Another difference is on passing plays in the Spread there is almost always one receiver going deep -- not so in the WC.

[Patriot Killa]

Another difference is on passing plays in the Spread there is almost always one receiver going deep -- not so in the WC.

WCO incorporate more routes desgined to make the wide out open on timing. Geno is horrible with time. Spread should give him his best season if he starts. I'm willing to give him his last chance here... Not a lot of people are. I see him being decent with skilled guys around him in the offense he threw 50 TD's in. He also has those 2 years in the NFL where he learned WCO and how important protecting the ball is. Accounting for all of this.... Geno COULD be decent. But that is just the base of my highest hopes.

[JohnnyLV]

Well the main concept of the spread is really just to spread the defense out as much as possible, so teams have a harder time doubling guys, or being able to have many guys in the same vicinity, which has been Geno's main problem with us.  He's bad at reading secondary guys coming from the other side of the play and jumping the pass.  With the defense spread out, this is harder to do (not impossible), and allows more one on one matchups with the defender, and it's easier to decipher who has one on one coverage at the line of scrimmage.  This is why spread system QBs get questioned, because their first read is usually a guy that is covered one on one, and only if the guy is exceptionally covered, do they have to move to others, hence why a lot of them are one read QBs.  

 

The WC is different in that, it's not trying to get the one on one matchup as much, rather opting to use intricate timing where WR 1 will be at X spot in 3 seconds, WR 2 will be at Y spot in 5 seconds, so the QB has to look at X in 3, Y in 5, and progress that way.  It's set up moreso that the timing is the key, and if you can time it, then very hard to cover.  This is harder to learn because the timing is predicated on the drop backs, so any alteration to the drop back (a free runner, moving up in the pocket) can screw the entire thing for a young QB.  

 

I think Geno will do better in a spread offense, especially if we can run a fast paced offense and force defenses to keep certain personnel on the field.  In the past with our slow paced offense, almost always they would get specialized guys in for certain plays.  If we can get teams in a run defense personnel, then we can hurry up, and have a distinct advantage with our WRs, or vice versa.  That was one of things I hated about our offense before, almost always, we would just walk up to the line, all but ask if the defense if they were ready to go, and then play.  Even the plays where we would have some close call with our guys making a play that can be reviewed.  Most of the good teams, hurry up to the line to force the other coach to either challenge without getting good looks, or call a quick play to avoid a challenge overturn.  What do we do?  We run the down the clock, so the other team can get as many looks as possible.  I think even on one occassion (I forgot what game), we not only didn't hurry up, we wasted enough time that we had to call a time out, and during the break, the other team challenged.  

 

The Rex forced offenses of the last 6 years are just flat out crippled versions of the Cleveland/San Diego offense under Schott, a complete WTF under Sparano and a wildcat and power run game bastardization of the WC under MM. Rex's insistence on wildcat and his beloved ground and pound BS, compounded with a complete lack of offensive weapons means we have essentially not run a true NFL offense in 7 years essentially. In addition, WC principles were easily the worst offensive principles to try and get Geno to learn while starting.

[RSJ]

A spread offence uses multiple wide receivers to stretch the defense out along the line of scrimmage. Three or four, sometimes five wide receivers run routes to different areas of the field to stretch the defense vertically and horizontally down the field. That would often put a linebacker on a faster receiver. A misconception is that it's a pure passing attack. It can also be a running attack. The linebackers are spread out more,covering wide receivers thus opening holes for the running back or quarterback run option. That's why I think the Jets will pick Cooper or White in the first round, then a running back in the second or third, if the draft goes their way. With Marshall, Decker, Kerley, and Cooper/White to spread the field, and Ivory, Powell and Duke Johnson/Jay Ajayl/Tevin Coleman to pick from in the backfield, this could be a very potent attack, even with Smith as quarterback.

I agree, the only thing I would add is that a pure spread attack runs no huddle as well. This does a few things like keeps the defenses personnel on the field, and like I said earlier on this thread, it allows the offense to run the most amount of plays possible in a game. Also, the reason the spread has become so popular is that leagues mandate hours in pads. Leagues do not put restrictions on time spent playing 7 on 7 without pads on. This allows a team to get as many reps as they want and should mean a more efficient attack. Running attacks would be more potent if teams could still practice like they used to. same way it used to.

[jetscrazey]

Ok everyone I'm a little confused here.

If they are running a "light spread" offense why does no running back on the roster average more than 17 receiving yards per game in a single season of their career?  Ridley, Ivory, and Powell are not receivers.

 

Until this week, I also was on this wavelength that the Jets would run a "light spread" offense, and I was advocating drafting Duke Johnson to be the guy who can be a real receiving threat.

But the Ridley signing puts that in question.  Maybe they still draft a running back who's also a proven receiving threat, but I also don't see them carrying 4 running backs in an active role.  So maybe between Ivory, Ridley, and Powell one of those 3 guys doesn't end up making the roster?  Who knows.

Not sure what Gailey plans to do and what Maccagan thinks should be done, but as it stands right now the Jets DO NOT have a running back who is a legit receiving threat, which makes it tougher to run a spread offense.

[drdetroit]

Bryce Petty?

Looks like we're drafting him in the 3rd

[GhostOfGlennFoley]

Tyler Thigpen is a free agent...

[win4ever]

The Rex forced offenses of the last 6 years are just flat out crippled versions of the Cleveland/San Diego offense under Schott, a complete WTF under Sparano and a wildcat and power run game bastardization of the WC under MM. Rex's insistence on wildcat and his beloved ground and pound BS, compounded with a complete lack of offensive weapons means we have essentially not run a true NFL offense in 7 years essentially. In addition, WC principles were easily the worst offensive principles to try and get Geno to learn while starting.

 

It's hard to run a spread offense when the whole roster was fit to be a running team.  Slow WRs that are better at blocking than getting open like Nelson/Hill (infact I think that's what pushed them towards Hill in the draft, because they thought he was a great run blocker) and an OL that is better at run blocking than pass blocking.  The Sporano one was just a disaster through and through, but the MM one was bad mainly because the team philosophy and his offensive plans were at polar opposites.  And having pretty much no talent also didn't help.  I still don't understand the MM hiring, because I believe it was Rex who vouched for him, but it just didn't fit.  It was as if Rex just looked at available OCs and figured "ah there's a guy that has done well in the past, lets just hire him, and forget about the offense" type moves.   

 

Yeah, the transition from spread to WC is very complicated because of timing issues.  However, I think the biggest problem was speed and the ability for players to get open in the intermediate area.  We had no guys who had initial burst to get open on quick slants or anyone really that could even be a threat on a WR screen.  So even if a QB has some timing down, if the guy isn't open, there isn't much anyone can do.  So I think there is a collaboration of events that created the offensive hell hole that we landed in.  

[maury77]

It's hard to run a spread offense when the whole roster was fit to be a running team.  Slow WRs that are better at blocking than getting open like Nelson/Hill (infact I think that's what pushed them towards Hill in the draft, because they thought he was a great run blocker) and an OL that is better at run blocking than pass blocking.  The Sporano one was just a disaster through and through, but the MM one was bad mainly because the team philosophy and his offensive plans were at polar opposites.  And having pretty much no talent also didn't help.  I still don't understand the MM hiring, because I believe it was Rex who vouched for him, but it just didn't fit.  It was as if Rex just looked at available OCs and figured "ah there's a guy that has done well in the past, lets just hire him, and forget about the offense" type moves.   

 

Yeah, the transition from spread to WC is very complicated because of timing issues.  However, I think the biggest problem was speed and the ability for players to get open in the intermediate area.  We had no guys who had initial burst to get open on quick slants or anyone really that could even be a threat on a WR screen.  So even if a QB has some timing down, if the guy isn't open, there isn't much anyone can do.  So I think there is a collaboration of events that created the offensive hell hole that we landed in.  

W4E, are you optimistic going into next season that things are going to change for the better on offense? You seem to have a very good grasp of the conceptual problems we had for the last 6 seasons. 

[Paradis]

interesting discussion, but you certainly tell the "brand new jersey" fans from the students of the game in here.... Calling for Bryce Petty because Chan's going to run some version of his uptempo spread is a dead give away... the fact is, Geno will be better in Gailey's system than just about anyone we draft in 2015. Mac is doing the right thing here but beefing up the roster, injecting staff and players to pick up the offense and quickly. He knows the defense is ready to roll. Geno may never be "the answer" but under Gailey with our new look and players - guys going to win over a lot of "Geno sucks" dictators.