if Jets Defense is Top5 in 2015, exactly 'how much' do we need from QB?

[SouthernJet]

Disclaimer: 2015 statements ONLY!!!!!!!

 

I am talking 2015 here. I understand QB of the future is needed, but if Jets D dominate as I expect, exactly how much do we need THIS year for the QB position. I think someone who doesnt turn ball over, take sacks and make mental mistakes is key. We might not need Joe Montana this year.

A QB of future drafted fo rthe pine to learn w/Fitz might actually get the job done w/his knowledge of playbook and Veteran calmness during game.

Geno is only QB on roster that thinks this team is a 4-6 W team w/geno and a 8 W team w/Simms or QB drafted or a possible 9-10 W team w/Fitz.

 

Disclaimer: 2015 statements ONLY!!!!!!!

[AFJF]

Disclaimer: 2015 statements ONLY!!!!!!!

 

I am talking 2015 here. I understand QB of the future is needed, but if Jets D dominate as I expect, exactly how much do we need THIS year for the QB position. I think someone who doesnt turn ball over, take sacks and make mental mistakes is key. We might not need Joe Montana this year.

A QB of future drafted fo rthe pine to learn w/Fitz might actually get the job done w/his knowledge of playbook and Veteran calmness during game.

Geno is only QB on roster that thinks this team is a 4-6 W team w/geno and a 8 W team w/Simms or QB drafted or a possible 9-10 W team w/Fitz.

 

Disclaimer: 2015 statements ONLY!!!!!!!

 

On paper, this team is better than the teams that went to the AFCCG despite having Sanchez at QB.  Should be no limit to how far they can go with above average QB play which Fitz should be able to provide. 

[SouthernJet]

On paper, this team is better than the teams that went to the AFCCG despite having Sanchez at QB.  Should be no limit to how far they can go with above average QB play which Fitz should be able to provide. 

Glenn, I think u r spot on and a great article AFTER draft is expected from you on this   Hope all well my friend

[AFJF]

Glenn, I think u r spot on and a great article AFTER draft is expected from you on this   Hope all well my friend

 

All is very well..hoping to get out to MetLife draft party with my fellow Jets fans, a few beers and a laptop!

[SouthernJet]

All is very well..hoping to get out to MetLife draft party with my fellow Jets fans, a few beers and a laptop!

A live skype session from tailgate Jets would be cool

[SouthernJet]

On paper, this team is better than the teams that went to the AFCCG despite having Sanchez at QB.  Should be no limit to how far they can go with above average QB play which Fitz should be able to provide. 

Glenn, agree, in 2015 w/Top 10 defense Fitz gives us better shot at game managing w/playbook knowledge than Geno who is seeing playbook for 1st time ever 2 months ago.. 2016 could be different, but 2015 seems to be Fitz or drafted QB IF, big IF our defense plays lights out nad we only need 14-17 pts a game to be in most games..

[jetsrebirth]

I think it depends what the goals are for 2015. If the goal is to win a championship, need a lot from the QB. If the goal is to sneak into a wild card, I think not horrible would be what is needed.

[SouthernJet]

I think it depends what the goals are for 2015. If the goal is to win a championship, need a lot from the QB. If the goal is to sneak into a wild card, I think not horrible would be what is needed.

well they always say SB goal, my guess is Jets feel realistic goal would be meaningful Late Nov and early Dec games..which basically means we are mathmatically still in playoff hunt in early Dec. but may not have chance at Home field or long playoff run.. But I am cool with that for 2015...

[Villain The Foe]

Disclaimer: 2015 statements ONLY!!!!!!!

 

I am talking 2015 here. I understand QB of the future is needed, but if Jets D dominate as I expect, exactly how much do we need THIS year for the QB position. I think someone who doesnt turn ball over, take sacks and make mental mistakes is key. We might not need Joe Montana this year.

A QB of future drafted fo rthe pine to learn w/Fitz might actually get the job done w/his knowledge of playbook and Veteran calmness during game.

Geno is only QB on roster that thinks this team is a 4-6 W team w/geno and a 8 W team w/Simms or QB drafted or a possible 9-10 W team w/Fitz.

 

Disclaimer: 2015 statements ONLY!!!!!!!

This is why I'm in support of bringing in Glennon. We dont need a QB to do it all. We need a QB who's not going to throw 3 picks in the 1st half, take multiple sacks for a 10 yard loss pushing us out of field goal range. We need a QB who can get us about 14 pts per game with his arm and let the top 5 rushing attack dictate the game. Look at Russell Wilson. Dude isnt even throwing 30 TD's in a season. What he does is limits the mistakes, gets the 2 TD's with his arm and lets Lynch dictate the rest of the game. The dimension that Wilson has that Glennon doesnt is keeping the play alive with his feet. Wilson is a master at that, but everything else Glennon does very well.Russell Wilson is one of the best QB's in the game, yet he threw for 20 TD's this year and has never thrown for over 3,500 yds. Its his ability to not make the big mistake. He's the best game manager in the game, the modern day Troy Aikman with feet. Glennon can be a top Game manager in the NFL like an Alex Smith.

 

People thought that I was out of my head when I said that Mike Glennon would make us a superbowl contender, mostly because they're comparing him to the elite QB's in the game. Put Mike Glennon on this team, and get another WR with respectable speed who can play both the slot and outside and can switch up with Brandon Marshall (Like an Amari Cooper) and the New York Jets can win 11 to 12 games this year which would put us in competition to win the division and possibly even get a bye.

[keysersoze]

With a middle-of-the-road game manager, Jets should win at least 9-11 games and clinch a wildcard spot. Our defense and playmakers on offense will be too good to allow us to win anything less. Only way Jets go less than .500 is if we start Geno and he single-handily loses games like he did in 2014.

 

If NE has a downyear following their departures on defense, and Rex mismanages Buffalo, it's even possible we could be in the hunt for the division.

[Warfish]

If our D is as good as it could be (on paper), what we need from the talent we currently have is game management and an absolute minimization of turnovers and turnovers for points.

But beyond that, we now have the talent on O to score better than the usual meagre bottom-third the Jets O seems mired in for a long while now.

Top 5 D, needs a top 15 O and top 10 in turnover (giveaway), and we're a contender for/in the post-season.

If we are amongst the league-leaders in INT's, Fumbles and TO's for Points, we're at best a middle-road team of no consequence in 2015.

[SouthernJet]

With a middle-of-the-road game manager, Jets should win at least 9-11 games and clinch a wildcard spot. Our defense and playmakers on offense will be too good to allow us to win anything less. Only way Jets go less than .500 is if we start Geno and he single-handily loses games like he did in 2014.

 

If NE has a downyear following their departures on defense, and Rex mismanages Buffalo, it's even possible we could be in the hunt for the division.

agree

[SouthernJet]

If our D is as good as it could be (on paper), what we need from the talent we currently have is game management and an absolute minimization of turnovers and turnovers for points.

But beyond that, we now have the talent on O to score better than the usual meagre bottom-third the Jets O seems mired in for a long while now.

Top 5 D, needs a top 15 O and top 10 in turnover (giveaway), and we're a contender for/in the post-season.

If we are amongst the league-leaders in INT's, Fumbles and TO's for Points, we're at best a middle-road team of no consequence in 2015.

agree 100% fish.... game manager in 2015 might be good enuf for playoffs, not a SB run though.. but who the hell knows

[32EBoozer]

If we are staying with Fitz then all we need to be in playoff contention coming out of draft I'd OL, RB, WR and OLB with 1st 4 picks. Sherf (SP?) or Colliat after trade down, Eli Harold round 2, WR Dorsett with Xtra #2 pick, Abdullah or Duke J. With 3rd and maybe a FA with the 4th and we are headed toward playoffs.

[Villain The Foe]

agree 100% fish.... game manager in 2015 might be good enuf for playoffs, not a SB run though.. but who the hell knows

Not enough for a SB run? We was a game away twice with Mark Sanchez that was nothing like a game manager, and this defense may be even better than what he had.

[Ex-Rex]

I think it depends what the goals are for 2015. If the goal is to win a championship, need a lot from the QB. If the goal is to sneak into a wild card, I think not horrible would be what is needed.

I don't think Jets are SB ready just yet, but I can always dream. I think Fitzpatrick could provide the Jets the kind of season that Trent Dilfer gave Baltimore in 2000 and look what happened. Not sure if Jets are as good as Ravens defensively, but could be close to that. If our QB doesn't put the team in bad positions like Geno did regularly I think the sky is the limit. I do however, hope the Jets draft a QB of the future or trade for Glennon. I haven't been this optimistic for a Jets season in a long time. I was so glad to see Rex go I almost had an orgasm. Should have been done in 2012, but better late than never. He was probably the biggest OBSTACLE to winning the team had.

[SouthernJet]

Not enough for a SB run? We was a game away twice with Mark Sanchez that was nothing like a game manager, and this defense may be even better than what he had.

dont get me wrong, it could all come together, I agree, I am just saying it appears SB might not be there in 2015 due ot what I think will be all road games,,but u r right

[Ex-Rex]

If we are staying with Fitz then all we need to be in playoff contention coming out of draft I'd OL, RB, WR and OLB with 1st 4 picks. Sherf (SP?) or Colliat after trade down, Eli Harold round 2, WR Dorsett with Xtra #2 pick, Abdullah or Duke J. With 3rd and maybe a FA with the 4th and we are headed toward playoffs.

Where are we getting an x-tra number 2 pick Boozer? I would like Scherff, and in round two go for Petty or Grayson as QB of Future then get RB or LB in round three and OL again in fourth. Can't have too many blockers.

[SouthernJet]

If we are staying with Fitz then all we need to be in playoff contention coming out of draft I'd OL, RB, WR and OLB with 1st 4 picks. Sherf (SP?) or Colliat after trade down, Eli Harold round 2, WR Dorsett with Xtra #2 pick, Abdullah or Duke J. With 3rd and maybe a FA with the 4th and we are headed toward playoffs.

Whether Fitz of not, I am 90% sure we see a QB drafted in 1st 4 rounds UNLESS our scouts have a secret diamond in rough , aka 6th round Brady, that they feel GREAT about.. (or a young QB from a heavy laden QB team they like and expect to be cut at end of camp)

[#27TheDominator]

Haha.  9-11 games?  8-8 with Simms?  Simms couldn't even win 8 games in college.  They look much better on paper.  We will see how they perform when the bullets fly.  Thinking this is an 11 win team is going to make it pretty rough on Bowles as he tries to get started.

[Ex-Rex]

If NE has a downyear following their departures on defense, and Rex mismanages Buffalo, it's even possible we could be in the hunt for the division.

You shouldn't have said IF Rex mismanages in Buffalo but WHEN he does, because it is almost a mortal lock that he will. He is what he is and what he is isn't good. 

[SouthernJet]

You shouldn't have said IF Rex mismanages in Buffalo but WHEN he does, because it is almost a mortal lock that he will. He is what he is and what he is isn't good. 

Rex will have a decent 1st 2 years before the Bills players start realizing players who screw up suffer no penalty in house (hurting teams chemistry/chance to improve) and he starts playing equal to lesser talented Vets of younger players , aka, hurting team and future depth..

 

Rex is like one of those recipes where the 1st few bites you are 'this is great' but after a few more bites its like' this may be a tad too spicy, salty, whatever'..

 

I think only players who truly love him are the Vets who have lessened skills but get to keep NFL jobs and in many cases even start when they shouldnt (Ed Reed cough cough)

[papz187]

On paper, this team is better than the teams that went to the AFCCG despite having Sanchez at QB. Should be no limit to how far they can go with above average QB play which Fitz should be able to provide.

I never thought about it til I read your post, but I have to agree for the most part this team is better than 2009 0r 10s roster. Only edge I would give to the AFCCG teams is Special Teams, but that's a huge, underrated advantage. The offensive line was more dominant back then and Coaching is different too obviously so we'll have to see how Bowles and Gailey do.

To answer the OP question, the way Fitz played last year should be sufficient to make the playoffs. Houston was close to making it last year, and I think we have overall better weapons than they did plus overall more widespread talent on D.

I'm hoping we can get some solid play out of special teams again like Westoff did for us during those playoff runs cause that will go a long way to taking pressure off the offense and compliment our defense by playing the field position game as well.

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[Beerfish]

If you have a QB, even a bit of a jag that does not run it over you have a shot.  It's all about turnover ratio and as good as some of rex's D's have been they still at times were utterly terrible at generating turnovers.

[32EBoozer]

Where are we getting an x-tra number 2 pick Boozer? I would like Scherff, and in round two go for Petty or Grayson as QB of Future then get RB or LB in round three and OL again in fourth. Can't have too many blockers.

Petty and Grayson are 2-3 year development players at the earliest and what makes them better than Geno or Simms??? Why not load up this year and try and trade down and get a #1 next year and go get Connor Cook in 2016. Much more polished QB than the 2 you mentioned.... or screw it and get either Jameis or Marriota this year. I would prefer Cook next year but don't know if we'll have high enough picks??

 

Trade Wilkerson for a 1st next year??? So we have two picks like Cleveland?

[predator_05]

220-250 yards per game and a TD on average. Basically more than what we've had from the position in the last 5 years.

 

Defense won't be top 5 though.

[32EBoozer]

Whether Fitz of not, I am 90% sure we see a QB drafted in 1st 4 rounds UNLESS our scouts have a secret diamond in rough , aka 6th round Brady, that they feel GREAT about.. (or a young QB from a heavy laden QB team they like and expect to be cut at end of camp)

Well.... we're either trading up or we will have 2 Geno's on the bench next year because after the first 2 QB's are off the board you're picking less than or equal to Geno. Do you want 2 of him?

 

Trade back and try to secure a 2015 and 2016 #1 pick and try and get C. Cook next year.

 

Much better than the Petty's, Grayson's and Mannion's of this draft

[32EBoozer]

220-250 yards per game and a TD on average. Basically more than what we've had from the position in the last 5 years.

 

Defense won't be top 5 though.

Will be if we get a Fowler, Beasley type OLB. We were top 5 against the run last year; we upgraded the DBfield BIG time. We have excellent depth at ILB and competent OLB play with Pace and Coples. Get a true rush OLB, put Coples back on the line with Mo and Sheldon and Harrison and run a 4-3 with Beasley et al and you're ready to roll.

[predator_05]

Will be if we get a Fowler, Beasley type OLB. We were top 5 against the run last year; we upgraded the DBfield BIG time. We have excellent depth at ILB and competent OLB play with Pace and Coples. Get a true rush OLB, put Coples back on the line with Mo and Sheldon and Harrison and run a 4-3 with Beasley et al and you're ready to roll.

 

That statistic is a bit misleading. Nobody really ran against us last year, they all took turns torching our empty secondary.

 

And Fowler won't get past Jacksonville

[Jetlife33]

That statistic is a bit misleading. Nobody really ran against us last year, they all took turns torching our empty secondary.

And Fowler won't get past Jacksonville

It's sad, but you're probably right about Fowler.

[keysersoze]

That statistic is a bit misleading. Nobody really ran against us last year, they all took turns torching our empty secondary.

 

And Fowler won't get past Jacksonville

 

If you look at statistics adjusting for sample size, the Jets were top 5-10 against the run. For 2014, PFF graded them as 11th against the run in their defensive efficiency rankings.

 

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef

[Savage69]

On paper, this team is better than the teams that went to the AFCCG despite having Sanchez at QB.  Should be no limit to how far they can go with above average QB play which Fitz should be able to provide. 

Not comparing the Jet D to the 2000 Ravens but the feeling there about Trent Dilfer was just don't do something stupid and we will win.. In the 11 games he played he had 12 tds and 11 picks and after the Ravens won the Bowl he was gone the next season..LOL

[CTM]

On paper, this is probably the most talented Jet team since 1999. Fitz might be a JAG but JAG is a significant upgrade over Sanchez/geno

[bealeb319]

I think our defense can win most of our games for us so long as the offense doesn't throw them away, it might not sound exciting but I think one of our top priorities needs to be a good RB, one that can run hard through the middle similar to Ivory, there are two ways I can see us killing our playoff dreams this year and that is 1) Turnovers and 2) Letting our defense get tired out. We need to manage the clock with the run game similar to how we did with LT and similar to how the Seahawks have been doing it for the past couple of years with Lynch. We almost have all the pieces now to make it all the way.

[jetscrazey]

This is the best Jets defense on paper I've seen in my lifetime.  Now injuries can always derail that, so let's just see how it plays out.

 

The coaching staff also seems like it'll be an elite one defensively with Todd Bowles at the helm.  He's the one guy who could've made for a smooth transition with Rex leaving.  I think Rex is a slightly better game-planner than Bowles, but Bowles is a better in-game strategist and just as good as a motivator of his players.  Also the schedule is a little gentler next year with games against Jacksonville, Tennessee, Cleveland, and Oakland.  Games like those will pad a defense's stats.

 

Fitzpatrick just needs to have a TD:INT ratio above 1.