flgreen Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 OLB Bud Dupree a 'ridiculous' athlete, emerges as option for Jets 1h Play Rich Cimini, ESPN New York Jets reporter For weeks, we've been tossing around the same names -- Marcus Mariota, Amari Cooper, Shane Ray, Vic Beasley, Brandon Scherff and Dante Fowler Jr. They've all been linked to the New York Jets, who own the sixth pick in the upcoming draft. Allow me to introduce a new name to watch: Kentucky outside linebacker Alvin "Bud" Dupree. Widely considered a mid- to late-first round pick, Dupree has been gaining momentum in recent days, with some experts saying he could crack the top 10. Pass-rushers are hard to find, and Dupree is intriguing because of his measurables -- 6-foot-4, 269 pounds and a 40-yard dash time of 4.56 seconds at the scouting combine. In four seasons at Kentucky, he finished with 23.5 sacks and 37 tackles for loss. Dupree has the Jets' attention because, unlike Ray and Beasley, he has prototypical size for an outside linebacker in Todd Bowles' scheme. His upside is scary. The knock on him is that his instincts need work and that he's a better athlete than football player at this stage in his development. You always have to beware of workout warriors. Remember Vernon Gholston, whom the Jets chose with the sixth pick in 2008? The Jets are doing their homework on Dupree. They met with him on campus and he's on their list of 30 pre-draft visits. Could they take him at No. 6? That might be considered a reach, but he could be an option in a trade-down scenario. ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay, on a media conference call Friday, was asked about Dupree. He gave a mostly positive review, saying of his size and speed, "His workout numbers are ridiculous. ... God only makes a handful of these type of guys, so you have the tools there to develop, there’s no question about it." But McShay expressed some concerns, though. "I think his instincts are getting better, but there are times when he’s not able to go full bore because he’s still diagnosing," he said. "But I think he has improved. Clearly, he’s a hard worker. Everyone I talk to says he works hard in the film room and transfers it -- or he’s learning to transfer it to the field." McShay compared Dupree to New England Patriots linebacker Jamie Collins, a raw talent who blossomed into a terrific player in his second season. Of course, Collins was a second-round pick, not a high first. Big difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Todd McShay really does conference calls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted April 17, 2015 Author Share Posted April 17, 2015 Think Cimini's running out of things to write about. Wouldn't be a happy camper if the Jets' take him at 6. Not really crazy about any of the pass rushers. We'll see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Trade down and still pick up Dupree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 There is an aura of Gholstonia around this. Don't give me workout numbers, please! Gholston ocauld not diagnose a red light. But boy could he run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 There is an aura of Gholstonia around this. Don't give me workout numbers, please! Gholston ocauld not diagnose a red light. But boy could he run.Yep, no more poor instincts guuys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 ummmm workout wonder pass rusher ? no thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Instincts and diagnosing? What the **** is he, a hunter-gatherer physician? This is not stuff you can just tell by watching. Leonard Williams is like the last guy off the ball every snap and he doesn't have people basically calling him a retard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Instincts and diagnosing? What the **** is he, a hunter-gatherer physician? This is not stuff you can just tell by watching. Leonard Williams is like the last guy off the ball every snap and he doesn't have people basically calling him a retard.For once we agree Actually we only really disagreed once and it was like selling my soul to the devil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 dupree has more upside than any player in the draft. he's a freak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Trade down and still pick up Dupree. Only way I would like this move, don't want to draft a guy who has to stop, and think about what he is supposed to do week 1 with the 6th overall pick. I want a Sheldon Richardson type who goes full bore even when he doesn't know what the F he is supposed to do, and his high motor ends up making up for his inexperience. We have been watching Coples play this way for 3 years now, it isn't totally his fault because of his responsibilities changing every 10 minutes, but he does get the deer in the head lights look, and disappears, I'd rather him just react, and play full boar every play, and make his mistakes, but when he doesn't make a mistake he will pretty much cause extreme havoc as he has that type of talent like Richardson, but just hesitates way to much by trying to diagnose what he is supposed to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 I don't like Dupree because I don't like the buzzwords used to describe him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 I don't like Dupree because I don't like the buzzwords used to describe him. Basically science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Let's put Gholston's name on a football and then bury it. #letsgetoverit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Instincts and diagnosing? What the **** is he, a hunter-gatherer physician? This is not stuff you can just tell by watching. Leonard Williams is like the last guy off the ball every snap and he doesn't have people basically calling him a retard. You don't think it's possible to tell when a player has good instincts? Not sure I agree, I also don't think poor instincts = stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Yep, no more poor instincts guuys There is an aura of Gholstonia around this. Don't give me workout numbers, please! Gholston ocauld not diagnose a red light. But boy could he run. Gholston's numbers don't even remotely compare to what Dupree put up. Dupree put up generational-type numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 You don't think it's possible to tell when a player has good instincts? Not sure I agree, I also don't think poor instincts = stupid I'm not saying that mental processing speed and reaction time don't exist or can't reasonably be estimated. What I'm saying is that as a practical matter when people watch something happen and attribute it to the proverbial bad instincts they're not doing so with any kind of accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Gholston's numbers don't even remotely compare to what Dupree put up. Dupree put up generational-type numbers. Agree Dupree has been consistent, Vern had a great year after his father died and then regressed Also had his best games vs bad teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Agree Dupree has been consistent, Vern had a great year after his father died and then regressed Also had his best games vs bad teams The year that Gholston had is completely irrelevant to the numbers that he put up at the combine, which aren't in the same ballpark as the ones Dupree put up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 The year that Gholston had is completely irrelevant to the numbers that he put up at the combine, which aren't in the same ballpark as the ones Dupree put up. Yes, Vern was on fire at the combine but only played 25 games vs Bud played in 48 games and has improved plus Vern has a tough life and the draft gave him $50M, to forget, never had the passion for the game Vern is a major reason for the Rookie wage scale, along with Jmarkfat, his goal was a high draft pick and he was done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Gholston's numbers don't even remotely compare to what Dupree put up. Dupree put up generational-type numbers.Edit- you are referring to combine numbers, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Generational type numbers???? His best season was 7.5 sacks Aaaaand they're off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Generational type numbers???? His best season was 7.5 sacks He's talking about combine numbers. Gholston had good speed and explosion scores for an edge player. Dupree had amazing speed and explosion scores for a cornerback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 I'm not saying that mental processing speed and reaction time don't exist or can't reasonably be estimated. What I'm saying is that as a practical matter when people watch something happen and attribute it to the proverbial bad instincts they're not doing so with any kind of accuracy. ^lost me again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 He's talking about combine numbers. Gholston had good speed and explosion scores for an edge player. Dupree had amazing speed and explosion scores for a cornerback. wasn't his 3 cone crappy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 The year that Gholston had is completely irrelevant to the numbers that he put up at the combine, which aren't in the same ballpark as the ones Dupree put up. My point is that I do not care about the combine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 OLB Bud Dupree a 'ridiculous' athlete, emerges as option for Jets 1h Play Rich Cimini, ESPN New York Jets reporter For weeks, we've been tossing around the same names -- Marcus Mariota, Amari Cooper, Shane Ray, Vic Beasley, Brandon Scherff and Dante Fowler Jr. They've all been linked to the New York Jets, who own the sixth pick in the upcoming draft. Allow me to introduce a new name to watch: Kentucky outside linebacker Alvin "Bud" Dupree. Widely considered a mid- to late-first round pick, Dupree has been gaining momentum in recent days, with some experts saying he could crack the top 10. Pass-rushers are hard to find, and Dupree is intriguing because of his measurables -- 6-foot-4, 269 pounds and a 40-yard dash time of 4.56 seconds at the scouting combine. In four seasons at Kentucky, he finished with 23.5 sacks and 37 tackles for loss. Dupree has the Jets' attention because, unlike Ray and Beasley, he has prototypical size for an outside linebacker in Todd Bowles' scheme. His upside is scary. The knock on him is that his instincts need work and that he's a better athlete than football player at this stage in his development. You always have to beware of workout warriors. Remember Vernon Gholston, whom the Jets chose with the sixth pick in 2008? The Jets are doing their homework on Dupree. They met with him on campus and he's on their list of 30 pre-draft visits. Could they take him at No. 6? That might be considered a reach, but he could be an option in a trade-down scenario. ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay, on a media conference call Friday, was asked about Dupree. He gave a mostly positive review, saying of his size and speed, "His workout numbers are ridiculous. ... God only makes a handful of these type of guys, so you have the tools there to develop, there’s no question about it." But McShay expressed some concerns, though. "I think his instincts are getting better, but there are times when he’s not able to go full bore because he’s still diagnosing," he said. "But I think he has improved. Clearly, he’s a hard worker. Everyone I talk to says he works hard in the film room and transfers it -- or he’s learning to transfer it to the field." McShay compared Dupree to New England Patriots linebacker Jamie Collins, a raw talent who blossomed into a terrific player in his second season. Of course, Collins was a second-round pick, not a high first. Big difference. Dupree might turn out to be very good. But upside is potential. With Pick Number 6, you have to get more than potential. Is he better than those guys right now? Are we guaranteed that he will be? That is the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 My point is that I do not carve about the combine Totes. Eye test >>>> science, all day, erry day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Totes. Eye test >>>> science, all day, erry day. what color is this dress? are A and B the same color? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 what color is this dress? are A and B the same color? lol f*ck you neuro-psych 101. Blue and Gold as well as A being darker, however A & B become the same shade when I block out the rest of the screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 wasn't his 3 cone crappy? Yes. Just awful. Coples bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Yes. Just awful. Coples bad. Dupree in the Midst of a Breakthrough Year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 how about we draft a LB that can actually play LB and stop trying to find the next one trick pony pass rusher . Problem with pure pass rushers is if they fail, which is often, they can't do a damn thing on the field to justify them being on the roster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 how about we draft a LB that can actually play LB and stop trying to find the next one trick pony pass rusher . Problem with pure pass rushers is if they fail, which is often, they can't do a damn thing on the field to justify them being on the roster Mariota sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Schroy Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 The Vernon effect? I'll pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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