Which draft would you choose?

[HessStation]

It's amazing how many people have talked themselves out of Shane Ray based on nothing more than speculation about his fit... watch the guy's tape. He murders everyone, everywhere. It's Teddy Bridgewater all over again.

 

 

 

(gato stay out of this)

 

I should probably shut up too then. Ray looks like a laser beam off the ball. JMO....but also looks extremely stiff, gets engulfed and completely taken out of plays a lot if he doesn't get the jump, poor change of direction. But he's a pit bull when he gets a straight line to QB, I get it. 

 

IMO, Beasley has as a good a first step if not better, and is much more athletic on the field, better hips/bend etc...again, JMO...and I did watch everything I could find on the internet for the top 5 guys plus a couple live games on Sat's fwiw. 

 

Dupree is right behind them off the ball. Fowler and Gregory behind those 3 guys...but Fowler is really strong and uses his hands extremely well. He's extremely disruptive sometimes just based on sheer will power. 

 

Honestly, jmo but Gregory plays soft a lot. He was the most hot and cold out of what I saw. Crazy bend, great feet though.  Probably my least favorite even before the weed.

[Tinstar]

I absolutely love Option 4.

But if we spend a 4th round pick on an UDRFA QB that Bridge might get crowded.

[Beerfish]

I LOVE Folwer...but his jumps are scary. (scary bad)

His 3 cone is shoddy as well.  I think those are the numbers that lonely hearts keeps referring to as being the most important for pass rushers.

[Shadetree]

His 3 cone is shoddy as well. I think those are the numbers that lonely hearts keeps referring to as being the most important for pass rushers.

How about bench press for Beasley, fowler, and Dupree ??

[peekskill68]

This is a great thread especially for guys like me who don't watch alot of college ball.  I'm learning alot reading it.  Makes me thankful (hopeful?) we upgraded Idzik/Bradway/Bauer with Maccags/Hogan/Heimerdinger...

[32EBoozer]

How about bench press for Beasley, fowler, and Dupree ??

Beasly had like 35!!! Fowler 19 Dupree ?

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

Matthews were good but not elite. 40 or above vert = scary good. I'm thinking...

 

1.49 10-yard split, 4.18 shuttle, and 6.9 three-cone is absolutely elite.

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

His 3 cone is shoddy as well.  I think those are the numbers that lonely hearts keeps referring to as being the most important for pass rushers.

 

It's kind of an either/or.

 

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=439601

 

Everybody in the whole world who doesn't post in this forum does metrics for pass rushers, and they're all stealing from this guy. The formulae are far from perfect (the agility equation perversely punishes a good 10 split, for example, and the weight-adjusted jumps are scaled feet to inches for some reason), but crazy effective anyway (Matthews, for example, is over the green line for agility notwithstanding that his insane 10 actually hurt him). Justin Houston went in the third round the year this came out. That would not happen now.

[dbatesman]

It's kind of an either/or.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=439601

Everybody in the whole world who doesn't post in this forum does metrics for pass rushers, and they're all stealing from this guy. The formulae are far from perfect (the agility equation perversely punishes a good 10 split, for example, and the weight-adjusted jumps are scaled feet to inches for some reason), but crazy effective anyway (Matthews, for example, is over the green line for agility notwithstanding that his insane 10 actually hurt him). Justin Houston went in the third round the year this came out. That would not happen now.

gay

[HessStation]

1.49 10-yard split, 4.18 shuttle, and 6.9 three-cone is absolutely elite.

The jumps. I'm on phone but I was talking about the 35.5 and 121...or somethig like that.

[Shadetree]

Beasly had like 35!!! Fowler 19 Dupree ?

Beasley is climbing fast up "Shadetrees Emotionally Unstable Chart of Death"!!!

At first I was loving fowler & Dupree's 260 LB weight-class.. Now I'm loving Beasley fast twitch first step & strength.

I'm torn...I'm gonna watch some hockey and flip flop on this in between periods

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

The jumps. I'm on phone but I was talking about the 35.5 and 121...or somethig like that.

 

Sure, his explosion numbers are nothing special. Generally speaking the guys who clear the jumps are power rushers and the guys who clear the agility drills are speed rushers. I don't remember anybody ever hitting both marks. You only really look at the numbers in tandem if they don't hit either and you're already behind the eightball at that point.

[Beerfish]

It's kind of an either/or.

 

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=439601

 

Everybody in the whole world who doesn't post in this forum does metrics for pass rushers, and they're all stealing from this guy. The formulae are far from perfect (the agility equation perversely punishes a good 10 split, for example, and the weight-adjusted jumps are scaled feet to inches for some reason), but crazy effective anyway (Matthews, for example, is over the green line for agility notwithstanding that his insane 10 actually hurt him). Justin Houston went in the third round the year this came out. That would not happen now.

Interesting stuff, thanks for the link.

[Beerfish]

Unless I totally f'up my math Dupree has a killer value for explosive power (1.22)   Beasley was at (1.07) still over the 1.05 mark.  Fowler only (.94)

 

I'll have to play with the other formulas as well.  I just did EXP Power.

[32EBoozer]

Unless I totally f'up my math Dupree has a killer value for explosive power (1.22)   Beasley was at (1.07) still over the 1.05 mark.  Fowler only (.94)

 

I'll have to play with the other formulas as well.  I just did EXP Power.

I'll give you EXPLOSION Power!!  

[Beerfish]

I'll give you EXPLOSION Power!!  

Not talking about you after having chili, sauerkraut and beer.

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

Unless I totally f'up my math Dupree has a killer value for explosive power (1.22) Beasley was at (1.07) still over the 1.05 mark. Fowler only (.94)

I'll have to play with the other formulas as well. I just did EXP Power.

Jesus. The numbers I got day of had Dupree in the high teens. That broke the curve, and this is like a standard deviation beyond that. He might not make it to 6.

[Matt39]

Jesus. The numbers I got day of had Dupree in the high teens. That broke the curve, and this is like a standard deviation beyond that. He might not make it to 6.

 

explosion score > speed score for the position correct?

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

explosion score > speed score for the position correct?

The way the original model is set up, prospects are tiered by agility scores but ExP trumps. I use ExP, SPARQ, and a dummy variable for the agility drills (basically differencing out the back 20/30 yards of the 40 against the shuttle and cone times, rather than the first 20/30 as in Waldo's twitch rating) as a multiplier for the simple speed score.

[dbatesman]

Jesus. The numbers I got day of had Dupree in the high teens. That broke the curve, and this is like a standard deviation beyond that. He might not make it to 6.

The 1.22 is legit. Mosqueda says his ExP is higher than everyone since Mario.

[Matt39]

The way the original model is set up, prospects are tiered by agility scores but ExP trumps. I use ExP, SPARQ, and a dummy variable for the agility drills (basically differencing out the back 20/30 yards of the 40 against the shuttle and cone times, rather than the first 20/30 as in Waldo's twitch rating) as a multiplier for the simple speed score.

 

The 1.22 is legit. Mosqueda says his ExP is higher than everyone since Mario.

 

Why the heck is Fowler getting all this hype then? 

[T0mShane]

Why the heck is Fowler getting all this hype then?

He's still a very good player. Just won't be a great pass rusher.

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

Why the heck is Fowler getting all this hype then?

Because you need a hundred percent hit rate if you're gonna convince anybody that numbers trend better than guts.

[Matt39]

He's still a very good player. Just won't be a great pass rusher.

 

jack of all trades master of none kind of guy

[Matt39]

Because you need a hundred percent hit rate if you're gonna convince anybody that numbers trend better than guts.

 

Ha- even in NFL war rooms apparently.

 

The only things these numbers dont project is the dumbass factor, which I have to assume Gregory dominates. 

[dbatesman]

Why the heck is Fowler getting all this hype then?

No clue what makes Fowler so appealing, but something like this seems to happen every year. The numbers hated Jordan, and he went 3 overall.

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

Ha- even in NFL war rooms apparently.

In NFL war rooms especially. These people can elect to get it or not but they can't fire me from my job.

[Matt39]

No clue what makes Fowler so appealing, but something like this seems to happen every year. The numbers hated Jordan, and he went 3 overall.

 

Thank you sir.

 

[T0mShane]

jack of all trades master of none kind of guy

Seth Joyner

[RutgersJetFan]

The way the original model is set up, prospects are tiered by agility scores but ExP trumps. I use ExP, SPARQ, and a dummy variable for the agility drills (basically differencing out the back 20/30 yards of the 40 against the shuttle and cone times, rather than the first 20/30 as in Waldo's twitch rating) as a multiplier for the simple speed score.

 

[Matt39]

Seth Joyner

 

word, good comp. Your references are out of control.

[HessStation]

Why the heck is Fowler getting all this hype then? 

 

My guess is it's a bit like "money ball" where you have metrics vs. scouts (tape). 

[Shadetree]

In between periods of ranger game.

I'm feeling Beasley over fowler right now...first explosive step...remember when Abraham had those type of sacks where you knew it was a sack 2 seconds after the snap? It'd be nice to have that type of player again.

[RutgersJetFan]

My guess is it's a bit like "money ball" where you have metrics vs. scouts (tape). 

 

[T0mShane]

word, good comp. Your references are out of control.

I speak to the people.