Tinstar Posted April 27, 2015 Author Share Posted April 27, 2015 Why is Schreff limited to guard? If it is just arm length there is an article out there indicating that arm length for T is not the be all end all. I had read some people that questioned his foot work/quickness for pass protection at tackle which is a- whole-nother issue. http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?833175-Mythbusting-Arm-Length-And-Offensive-Tackles The problem is the vast majority of the TV talking heads say that the kid has the potential to be an all pro OG .In a few games last season he had a terrible time with some speedy edge rushers. Finally, most fans still believe that an NFL LT should be a supreme pass protector more so than anything else. I happen to believe that if you beat a DE down running at him, he's less likely to pin his ears back and come at you. The fact that the kid is such an awesome run blocker is why folks want to pigeon holed him at OG or RT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLO Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I just watched the thing on the Jets website about the draft; while Schreff would be the safest pick (given Cooper et al are gone), I doubt if he is the pick - I think the most likely scenario is either a letdown selection at 6 (for example a Dupree - Schreff would also be a small reach) or hopefully a tradedown. The best thing would be the Pauline scenario where a team like New Orleans trades up to 6 for a Beasley, rather than taking slight reaches at 6 like Schreff, White or Dupree. The best thing for the Jets would be a top 5 shakeup - so a Williams, QB, Cooper, Fowler being supplanted by something unpredictable - can't see that happening though myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Last night I heard Tony Pauline say on that SportsNite show that the Jets should take Scherff There's a brain trust for you. CBNY and Sorkin. My god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Cooper Beasley White Gordon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLO Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 There's a brain trust for you. CBNY and Sorkin. My god. Ha ha, you do not like Pauline. He was full on when on JI, I remember those running fights he had with Bitonti and his fairly extreme political views. But you cannot doubt his draft pedigree - by and large he's spot on year after year. He's the Woody Allen of the draft - excellent body of work professionally (admittedly with some downs), pretty dodgy outside of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 So every single OLB prospect gets written off? The draft is 100% projection. Of course not, but OLB prospects are one of, if not the riskiest of all selections other than QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 ^ ^ I think the Pauline thing was in the context of if, say, a Cooper has already been picked, but yeah the way he has the board falling Schreff is the Jets pick. I think, in relation to the thread, the more interesting question is who are the "safest" picks in rounds 2 or 3, given we'll probably be picking pass-rusher, wide-reciever, O line or RB in those rounds and what the trade off is between going safe and swinging for the fences. Like if DGB is available in round 2 do you get him? (tbh I would not be surprised to see him fall out of the 2nd round altogether) Over say a McKinney or a Dorsett? What about if Ali Marpet is there and Nate Orchard in round 3? Who do you go with if say you've got Mariota and a WR in rounds one and two? If the Jets pass on DGB I will throw my TV out the window and jump out right after to give it company on the way down... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Ha ha, you do not like Pauline. He was full on when on JI, I remember those running fights he had with Bitonti and his fairly extreme political views. But you cannot doubt his draft pedigree - by and large he's spot on year after year. He's the Woody Allen of the draft - excellent body of work professionally (admittedly with some downs), pretty dodgy outside of that. No, I think I would disagree with pretty much all of that. He's got volume and that's about it. If he ever has anything inside he never has it first and beyond that he's just guessing, and badly. Mother****er is like a caricature out of Moneyball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 No, I think I would disagree with pretty much all of that. He's got volume and that's about it. If he ever has anything inside he never has it first and beyond that he's just guessing, and badly. Mother****er is like a caricature out of Moneyball. He did call josh bush and did mention demario davis that one year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 In order Williams Cooper Winston Gurley Scherff would be next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted April 29, 2015 Author Share Posted April 29, 2015 In order Williams Cooper Winston Gurley Scherff would be next Williams - Gone Cooper - Gone Winston - Gone If we're going BPA, who would you draft ? I take Scherff because I think he's my LT in 2 yrs. If you don't think he can be a LT, it has to be Gurley . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 'Safe' does not = best value. The problem is the vast majority of the TV talking heads say that the kid has the potential to be an all pro OG .In a few games last season he had a terrible time with some speedy edge rushers. Finally, most fans still believe that an NFL LT should be a supreme pass protector more so than anything else. I happen to believe that if you beat a DE down running at him, he's less likely to pin his ears back and come at you. The fact that the kid is such an awesome run blocker is why folks want to pigeon holed him at OG or RT. So you are going to have to adjust your offense to accommodate a tackle who is not a great pass blocker by running more. Scherff is safe and can play Tackle...oh as long as you run to his side 30 times a game to soften up the DE's Scherff is no safer than guys like Warmack were. Scherff has to be better than 'safe' for me to be on board with that pick at 6th overall. At 6 the buy better be an instant pro bowler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted April 29, 2015 Author Share Posted April 29, 2015 'Safe' does not = best value. So you are going to have to adjust your offense to accommodate a tackle who is not a great pass blocker by running more. Scherff is safe and can play Tackle...oh as long as you run to his side 30 times a game to soften up the DE's Scherff is no safer than guys like Warmack were. Scherff has to be better than 'safe' for me to be on board with that pick at 6th overall. At 6 the buy better be an instant pro bowler. Maybe not to you, but he is to me and that's good enough for me. As to adjusting my offense, it needs to be adjusted. The RBs on our team are far better than the QBs. We should be running the ball more and protecting those QBs. Having 2 OTs who are effective run blockers as well as solid Pass protectors allows to run the ball to either side of the formation instead of being right side heavy like we have been since Brick Ferguson has been our LT. For the record, I had little interest in Womack or Dacastro or whoever you want to bring up. I like OTs who can also play OG. I like OC who can also play OG When a kid plays well and test well, all that's left is the off the field checks. This kid has checked every single box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 In an ideal world you get two tackles who are ace run blockers and pass blockers, that is hardly ever the case. You do more damage to your team if you have a weak run blocking Lt than a weak pass blocking one. Hey the player himself is good and will be good probably for years at guard or RT but at 6 I simply cannot believe there will not be a better, more dynamic player on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted April 29, 2015 Author Share Posted April 29, 2015 You are an excellent student grass hopper. You have learnt well. Your masters would be proud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Who is on your safe mount rushmore mine would be 1 dale earnhardt 2 nikki sixx 3 lincoln 4 paul walker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Safe picks? Meaning, they wont bust out? Cooper Williams Shelton Collins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony The Wiz Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 1. LEONARD WILLIAMS 2. SHANE RAY 3. MARCUS MARIOTA 4. JALEN STRONG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 1. LEONARD WILLIAMS 2. SHANE RAY 3. MARCUS MARIOTA 4. JALEN STRONG Adam Caplan@caplannfl Early word on #Raiders WR Amari Cooper, per team source: "Real deal. Almost no mental errors. Runs great routes, consistent route runner." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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