Jetsbb Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Robert Griffin started and played great his rookie year so was he in the same system as Bryce Petty? If so I don't see why he cant play day 1 like Sanchez and Geno did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Yes he did. The reason he can't play is two fold; he is not the prospect RGIII was coming out (even he would have been better served to start the year on the bench but when you trade 3 #1s for a guy, he is going to start). There is a reason he lasted until the 4th round in a weak quarterback draft. Because he needs a lot of development. You give the example of Sanchez and Geno and I would argue that them starting so soon is the very reason the have not taken that next step in their development. Sanchez was fortunate to come to a "ready made team", once the talent started to erode, he showed his true colors. Remember he also only started one year at USC and his own coach thought he needed another year. Geno's situation really speaks for itself. There is NO WAY Petty should start this year and should only touch the field if BOTH Fitz and Geno get hurt. It is time to stop the quick fixes and take the time to properly develop a quarterback to seriously challenge NE and Tom Brady's supremacy of this division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Shanahan actually implemented some of Baylors offense for RG when he came into the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsbb Posted May 2, 2015 Author Share Posted May 2, 2015 Yes he did. The reason he can't play is two fold; he is not the prospect RGIII was coming out (even he would have been better served to start the year on the bench but when you trade 3 #1s for a guy, he is going to start). There is a reason he lasted until the 4th round in a weak quarterback draft. Because he needs a lot of development. You give the example of Sanchez and Geno and I would argue that them starting so soon is the very reason the have not taken that next step in their development. Sanchez was fortunate to come to a "ready made team", once the talent started to erode, he showed his true colors. Remember he also only started one year at USC and his own coach thought he needed another year. Geno's situation really speaks for itself. There is NO WAY Petty should start this year and should only touch the field if BOTH Fitz and Geno get hurt. It is time to stop the quick fixes and take the time to properly develop a quarterback to seriously challenge NE and Tom Brady's supremacy of this division. If this is true Bryce Petty should be given as legitimate a shot to win an even competition as Sanchez and Geno were afforded. All this BS needs to stop if Griffin could start and be excellent as a rookie coming out of the same system no reason Bryce Petty can be given the chance to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 If this is true Bryce Petty should be given as legitimate a shot to win an even competition as Sanchez and Geno were afforded. All this BS needs to stop if Griffin could start and be excellent as a rookie coming out of the same system no reason Bryce Petty can be given the chance to start. He will get a chance to compete; he is not beating out either Geno or Fitz because he is not ready. Thankfully we have a coaching staff who will not "rush" him just to please fans with no patience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Robert Griffin started and played great his rookie year so was he in the same system as Bryce Petty? If so I don't see why he cant play day 1 like Sanchez and Geno did. Petty is one read and throw guy. Come to think of it so are Sanchez and Geno. You are right, by extension Petty can start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 From the bit that I watched, Petty was all over the place from an accuracy standpoint and really didn't have to make many reads. He's got a really nice arm, but I'd like to let a guy with physical talent learn a system and make reads for once instead of throwing him right into the mix as a rookie. Everbody has said he needs a redshirt year and I'm completely on board with that. If he comes into camp and kills it sure, let him play, but in a more realistic scenario I'm a fan of letting him sit and learn for a year or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Because it worked so well for Mark and Geno? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Because it worked so well for Mark and Geno? The point is not whether it worked out so well or not. Point is can he start ? Answer is YES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsbb Posted May 2, 2015 Author Share Posted May 2, 2015 The point is not whether it worked out so well or not. Point is can he start ? Answer is YES. Right I want to see him get a legitimate shot not get exclusive third and fourth string snaps as someone like Taj Boyd got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 RG3 still can't read a defense. The way to do it with these type of QBs is give them at least 1 redshirt season to soak it all in and learn how the pro system works. Petty needs that treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Right I want to see him get a legitimate shot not get exclusive third and fourth string snaps as someone like Taj Boyd got. You do understand that getting third and fourth string snaps is not the reason why Tajh Boyd is not on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Yes he did. The reason he can't play is two fold; he is not the prospect RGIII was coming out (even he would have been better served to start the year on the bench but when you trade 3 #1s for a guy, he is going to start). There is a reason he lasted until the 4th round in a weak quarterback draft. Because he needs a lot of development. You give the example of Sanchez and Geno and I would argue that them starting so soon is the very reason the have not taken that next step in their development. Sanchez was fortunate to come to a "ready made team", once the talent started to erode, he showed his true colors. Remember he also only started one year at USC and his own coach thought he needed another year. Geno's situation really speaks for itself. There is NO WAY Petty should start this year and should only touch the field if BOTH Fitz and Geno get hurt. It is time to stop the quick fixes and take the time to properly develop a quarterback to seriously challenge NE and Tom Brady's supremacy of this division. This year the Jets are more "ready made" then 2009..In 2009 The D front line and LB'ers were Ellis,Jenkins who would only play just 7 games total in 09-10, Pouha"Who many thought was a bust" UDFA Mike Devito,Marcus Murrell,The Ghost,Pace,Harris,Howard Green,BT and Marques Douglas.. On O we had no starting QB with Favre gone,RB TJ and 38 year old Tony Richardson main W/R's were Braylon and Cotch TE Keller. The O-line was to me the only thing that was better.. I just get tired of that ready made for the playoff stuff because before Favre they were 4-12 in 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Griffin was able to come in and make an immediate impact because he ran a 4.4 40 and his arm is a second cock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 This year the Jets are more "ready made" then 2009..In 2009 The D front line and LB'ers were Ellis,Jenkins who would only play just 7 games total in 09-10, Pouha"Who many thought was a bust" UDFA Mike Devito,Marcus Murrell,The Ghost,Pace,Harris,Howard Green,BT and Marques Douglas.. On O we had no starting QB with Favre gone,RB TJ and 38 year old Tony Richardson main W/R's were Braylon and Cotch TE Keller. The O-line was to me the only thing that was better.. I just get tired of that ready made for the playoff stuff because before Favre they were 4-12 in 2007 That was a veteran laden team with a very good offensive line, running backs, decent receivers and top defense. Even with that we lucked into 9-7 and the playoffs. This upcoming season, let the veteran quarterbacks play and let Petty watch. Geno or Fitz are ready to play, Petty is not so no need to throw away your season while he is learning on the job. He will be a better player for it and that is what matters to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 It is time to stop the quick fixes and take the time to properly develop a quarterback to seriously challenge NE and Tom Brady's supremacy of this division. We're beyond that time now. Brady will be gone or be above average (not great) by the time we develop a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 We're beyond that time now. Brady will be gone or be above average (not great) by the time we develop a QB. We are only talking about 2016 or at most 2017. Just as Brady is about to head out the door, Petty would be ready to take over the reigns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Rg3 is a very bad QB though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 That was a veteran laden team with a very good offensive line, running backs, decent receivers and top defense. Even with that we lucked into 9-7 and the playoffs. This upcoming season, let the veteran quarterbacks play and let Petty watch. Geno or Fitz are ready to play, Petty is not so no need to throw away your season while he is learning on the job. He will be a better player for it and that is what matters to me. I think Petty should watch and learn not start, I just hate that some think 2009 was a loaded team.. When George Seifert took over the 49'ers from Bill Walsh in 1989 that was a loaded team and the QB's he left him was Montana and Young.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 If this is true Bryce Petty should be given as legitimate a shot to win an even competition as Sanchez and Geno were afforded. All this BS needs to stop if Griffin could start and be excellent as a rookie coming out of the same system no reason Bryce Petty can be given the chance to start. Yeah all we have to do is fire Todd Bowles and hire Mike shanahan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Rg3 is a very bad QB though The league figured out RGIII after a full offseason watching tape of him throwing to the first read out of pistol. DC's would do the same to Petty. Just double his first progression and/or get a Olb or DE to be a joker on obvious passing downs. RG3 went from being arguably better than Andrew Luck as a rookie to the worst qb in the nfl even worse than Brian Hoyer. Ditto happened to Kaepernick though not as extreme. Vince Young and Tim Tebow got figured and shut down. One read qb's don't last in the nfl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 There is absolutely no reason to play Petty in 2015. 1. He won't be ready, Fitz will be and is the better player. 2. He needs the development/learning time. 3. We will not win anything important with Petty we wouldn't win with Fitz. For the love of God, be smart for once, let the green rookie QB sit and learn for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 This year the Jets are more "ready made" then 2009..In 2009 The D front line and LB'ers were Ellis,Jenkins who would only play just 7 games total in 09-10, Pouha"Who many thought was a bust" UDFA Mike Devito,Marcus Murrell,The Ghost,Pace,Harris,Howard Green,BT and Marques Douglas.. On O we had no starting QB with Favre gone,RB TJ and 38 year old Tony Richardson main W/R's were Braylon and Cotch TE Keller. The O-line was to me the only thing that was better.. I just get tired of that ready made for the playoff stuff because before Favre they were 4-12 in 2007 The 2009 Jets had the best OL I've ever seen, yes even better than last year's Cowboys, imagine swapping 2014 Tony Romo, and DeMarco Murray for 2009 Mark Sanchez, and Thomas Jones, Jets go 14-2, and win Super Bowl! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Petty is one read and throw guy. Come to think of it so are Sanchez and Geno. You are right, by extension Petty can start. Most rookies are. He played the offense he was in. He played it well. Will he be a star? Who knows. I think he's better than Geno. I think Fitz starts this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 If this is true Bryce Petty should be given as legitimate a shot to win an even competition as Sanchez and Geno were afforded. All this BS needs to stop if Griffin could start and be excellent as a rookie coming out of the same system no reason Bryce Petty can be given the chance to start. I see the logic. Sanchez and Geno started too soon and failed therefore Petty should be allowed to start. Makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJetsVets91 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 We will have more success with Geno, than if we threw Petty out there to start his rookie year. If Geno can at least not suck we should be able to win a good amount of games this season with the team we have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 I see the logic. Sanchez and Geno started too soon and failed therefore Petty should be allowed to start. Makes sense. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 I honestly think Petty is a better passer than Marriotta or RGIII. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 The 2009 Jets had the best OL I've ever seen, yes even better than last year's Cowboys, imagine swapping 2014 Tony Romo, and DeMarco Murray for 2009 Mark Sanchez, and Thomas Jones, Jets go 14-2, and win Super Bowl! You don't remember the 90's Cowboys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shockwave Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 There is absolutely no reason to play Petty in 2015. 1. He won't be ready, Fitz will be and is the better player. 2. He needs the development/learning time. 3. We will not win anything important with Petty we wouldn't win with Fitz. For the love of God, be smart for once, let the green rookie QB sit and learn for a change. This. For once lets continue to develop QB's, dont automatically give one of them the job, and see who wins fair and square. I would like to hope we will be drafting a Bryce Petty, or Tom Savage every year until we get our franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
win4ever Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 I'm not really sold on Petty, I thought this was a draft to just avoid getting a QB because all of them have questions. He has arm talent, and throws a very catch-able deep pass, but put him under pressure and he wilts incredibly bad. I saw two games with him, and any time there was even a hint of pressure, all he seemed to do was toss the ball up high in the air and hope someone ran under it. Almost always a go route one on one match, but this was built into the offense. If there is a ton of pressure, throw it where you think your WR can make a play on it, but if you have to over throw him, don't under throw him. That won't be happening in the NFL and he looked horrible at the Senior Bowl as well. He's a project that needs to rework the way he assess a play, and makes reads. Atleast 1 solid year of sitting with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I honestly think Petty is a better passer than Marriotta or RGIII. Not impossible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artemusclyde Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 The league figured out RGIII after a full offseason watching tape of him throwing to the first read out of pistol. DC's would do the same to Petty. Just double his first progression and/or get a Olb or DE to be a joker on obvious passing downs. RG3 went from being arguably better than Andrew Luck as a rookie to the worst qb in the nfl even worse than Brian Hoyer. Ditto happened to Kaepernick though not as extreme. Vince Young and Tim Tebow got figured and shut down. One read qb's don't last in the nfl. If by figured out, you mean destroyed his knee, then yes the league figured out RG3. Seriously, do you idiots even watch these qbs play? He's a completely different player then he was his first year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 If by figured out, you mean destroyed his knee, then yes the league figured out RG3. Seriously, do you idiots even watch these qbs play? He's a completely different player then he was his first year. Yeah, if it wasn't for his knee RG3 could actually read an NFL defense. Your making a dumb generalization and haven't watched him play he makes Geno look like a mid-80's Marino as a passer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 The list of mid-round QBs in recent years that came in, started from day one, and had very successful careers is a long one. But that's just because I wrote down "RUSSELL WILSON" 15,000 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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