RutgersJetFan Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Manny saying he had an injured shoulder and couldn't take an anti-inflammatory shot prior to the fight because Arum filed incorrect paperwork. Lol what a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 That fight ruined boxing even more from a public perception of boxing. For the casual fan like myself it was not worth the price of the Ppv. For the hardcore boxing fan I get why it was good. But with the hype and everything if they were to have a rematch. The hype and the overall interest would plummet greatly judging by the type of fight it was. And thus doing boxing a disservice. The real reason mma soars in popularity is because someone gets knocked out. Period. The winner is Dana White. The most boring waste of time ever. Mayweather can hold his next fight in a phone booth for all the interest it will merit.. If his opponent is female, perhaps he'd be more likely to hit her, seeing these are the only people he actaully pucnhes with any force. . Broadcast it over VHF with rabbit ears. WGAF. Simply he's a POS misogynist coward. Pacqiao may not have won, but he was more often the aggressor. If throwing nothing pitty pat punches and running all night is what boxing judges like, checking out forever. "Brilliant tactician" is boring as sheet. A lot of people bought their last boxing PPV forever last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetfrantik Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Guaranteed money took all the incentive out of both parties. At least Pacquaio tried Pacquiao never showed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 I didn't put them in exact order, but I figure Mayweather is somewhere in the 15-25 range. 1. Sugar Ray Robinson 2. Henry Armstrong 3. Joe Louis 4. Jack Johnson 5. Jack Dempsey 6. Willie Pep 7. Muhammed Ali 8. Larry Holmes 9. Julio Chavez 10. Roberto Duran 11. Sugar Ray Leonard 12. Marvin Hagler 13. Rocky Marciano 14. Joe Frazier 15. Archie Moore 16. Jake LaMotta 17. Floyd Mayweather 18. Manny Pacquaio 19. Jersey Joe Walcott 20. Roy Jones, Jr. Willie Pep had 230 wins 11 loses and 1 tie over a 26 year career.. I used to run a club for Jake LaMotta's brother Al.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Which is why nobody will ever mention him in the discussion of greatest fighters ever. Every one of his fights is a snooze fest. The only time he goes on the offensive is when he is beating a woman. He slapped and ran his way to 48 and 0 or whatever combined with fighting no one in particular. Never had the one great rivalry that could have been if he didn't duck Manny for 7 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Jake LaMotta over Floyd? Unless you're factoring in entertainment value then come on... It should always be held against him that the Manny fight didnt happen sooner, suggestions he was past it will linger. That said Floyd has pretty much wiped out his generation of boxing and the whole time he's been seriously hurt about twice. He's an absolute master of his craft. Not sure who's even left for him to bother fighting again. No demand for a rematch and no opponent of the same profile. Thurman, Khan, Garcia will all be easily decision'd IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adb280z Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 The **** you did. Where? I had the same thing. Wasn't hard to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Not sure who's even left for him to bother fighting again. No demand for a rematch and no opponent of the same profile. Thurman, Khan, Garcia will all be easily decision'd IMO. I don't even know how they're going to sell whatever is in September. Pay to see him try to retire undefeated? Who knows. I know GGG's camp was clamoring for a catch weight. Yeah, I'm sure he's dying to get in the ring with a guy who hydrates up to 180. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Island Leprechaun Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Willie Pep had 230 wins 11 loses and 1 tie over a 26 year career.. I used to run a club for Jake LaMotta's brother Al.. Exactly. I don't even care about which boxer you put on the list or where, except a handful at the top. Mayweather is decidedly not in that group. Jake LaMotta deserves to be on the list simply for the fact that he fought everybody who was out there including Sugar Ray multiple times. That alone should put him above Mayweather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 The problem is no one in mayweather weight class has the power to knock him out. Your not going to get a lot of punches on mayweather so the ones you land better count. Pacquiao's punches landed but they weresoft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 haha It was a dance off, not a fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 1990? Last good fight was the Thrilla in Manila. When Tyson was in his prime boxing was very entertaining. But yes, all things Ali reign supreme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 haha It was a dance off, not a fight. That's why mayweather is 48-0. He's a very intelligent strategic fighter. He's not a killer like 80's Tyson who KO'd guys in 20 seconds of the fight starting. A lot of people are killing the fight, I appreciated the strategy and it was more entertaining than the gay porn which is UFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I don't even know how they're going to sell whatever is in September. Pay to see him try to retire undefeated? Who knows. It's not like they haven't been dealing with that forever. The one thing I really admire about Mayweather is how good a job he's done in this respect. Boring competence is hard to sell and he's smashing records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 If Mayweather goes 49-0 Isn't that going to be some sort of record ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 It's not like they haven't been dealing with that forever. The one thing I really admire about Mayweather is how good a job he's done in this respect. Boring competence is hard to sell and he's smashing records. I love how Mayweather is considered boring but two dudes 69'ing in their underwear in UFC is considered exciting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I love how Mayweather is considered boring but two dudes 69'ing in their underwear in UFC is considered exciting. I don't watch MMA but Mayweather is basically Gracie or whatever. Of course he's boring, who cares. Peyton Manning is boring. It doesn't mean he's not great, it doesn't mean that on at least some level even laypeople can appreciate the skill, but come on. If you find the idea that watching Mayweather is as exciting as watching paint dry so threatening that you feel the need to bust out gay jokes at the suggestion, I dunno what to tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 It's not like they haven't been dealing with that forever. The one thing I really admire about Mayweather is how good a job he's done in this respect. Boring competence is hard to sell and he's smashing records. I dunno. They were able to sell things like the Cotto and Maidana fights because those guys were legitimately great fighters who earned a shot at him and more importantly he hadn't fought them yet. Even Saul was understandable even though it was clear he wasn't ready yet. Hardcore fans always tuned into these things because we all realized what he was trying to accomplish. The problem now is that he is literally done. Across 3 weight classes he beat everyone, and he did it so decisively that it's pointless to shell out money to watch him do it to any of them again. There is nobody left to fight at this point. I don't think this is as easy as you're making it out to be. It will make money, but not what his top bouts have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I dunno. They were able to sell things like the Cotto and Maidana fights because those guys were legitimately great fighters who earned a shot at him and more importantly he hadn't fought them yet. Even Saul was understandable even though it was clear he wasn't ready yet. Hardcore fans always tuned into these things because we all realized what he was trying to accomplish. The problem now is that he is literally done. Across 3 weight classes he beat everyone, and he did it so decisively that it's pointless to shell out money to watch him do it to any of them again. There is nobody left to fight at this point. I don't think this is as easy as you're making it out to be. It will make money, but not what his top bouts have. Oh, I don't imagine it will be close. But I'm hearing stuff like a quarter of his highest non-Pacquiao earn for the next one which just seems too low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Oh, I don't imagine it will be close. But I'm hearing stuff like a quarter of his highest non-Pacquiao earn for the next one which just seems too low. Probably. I think it depends what they charge and who he matches up with. Have to remember guys like Manny, Cotto, Maidana, Alvarez...etc, they're superstars in their home/surrounding countries which has such a huge impact on buys. There is nobody left of that caliber in any of the weight classes he can fight in. Also re: what they charge, it's going to be tough to sell a lot of casual/non fans on the next one after the Manny fight. Look at this thread. You think people are shelling out $75 for his next fight after this? Probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 "He just keeps hugging me!" ---> Sounds like something my ex-girlfriend would say. "There's no blueprint on how to beat my hugs." -----> Sounds like something I say to my friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 That's why mayweather is 48-0. He's a very intelligent strategic fighter. He's not a killer like 80's Tyson who KO'd guys in 20 seconds of the fight starting. A lot of people are killing the fight, I appreciated the strategy and it was more entertaining than the gay porn which is UFC. Oh they guy is amazing at what he does. It got to the point where it looked like Pac didnt even want to try anymore because he couldnt hit him. Like Miss said above, whats truly impressive is how he can be such a boring fighter yet still be the biggest ticket in sports. You have to respect his art but he's such a piece of sh*t and his fights are a snooze fest. I want action and there is zero action from his fights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 "He just keeps hugging me!" ---> Sounds like something my ex-girlfriend would say. "There's no blueprint on how to beat my hugs." -----> Sounds like something I say to my friends. It's interesting the thing that time does for these things. Ali did the same thing to Frazier in their second fight, Sugar Ray was slipping nonstop from Hagler as he yelled at him to fight him like a man...etc. Such is boxing. Not every fighter is a brawler. I get it, casual and non-fans don't watch boxing to see a technical boxing exhibition. Totally understandable. It's just funny that you get fans who claim to know the ins and outs of the sport and then they get salty when a defensive fighter employs defensive tactics. People hated Leonard for the same stuff (inside the ring) during his time, now everyone loves him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 If Mayweather goes 49-0 Isn't that going to be some sort of record ? Not even close. Chavez won 87 straight until he fought Sweet Pea. That is something you are truly never ever seeing again in boxing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Not even close. Chavez won 87 straight until he fought Sweet Pea. That is something you are truly never ever seeing again in boxing. I was not sure that's why the question mark. Maybe 49-0 was a heavyweight record or my memory is botched up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I was not sure that's why the question mark. Maybe 49-0 was a heavyweight record or my memory is botched up. It is. Marciano went 49-0 then retired. I know that Floyd passed Calzaghe after the last Maidana fight and I'm pretty sure he'll be in or near the top five for unbeaten streaks. There's a dude or two from the bareknuckle era ahead of him still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/05/many-pacquiao-rotator-cuff-injury-floyd-mayweather-fight-stupid-dumb-why Manny Pacquiao's stupid decision cost us the fight of the century By Mike Foss 1 hour ago Follow @themikefoss (USA TODAY Sports) Manny Pacquiao was not himself during last Saturday’s “fight of the century,” getting outpunched and outperformed by Floyd Mayweather for 12 rounds of unspectacular boxing. It was revealed Monday that Pacquiao will undergo surgery to fix what is being reported as a “significant tear” in his rotator cuff. According to Pacquiao’s advisor, Michael Koncz, the injury was sustained in early April. Surely, this should soften one’s perception of Pacquiao’s performance on Saturday, right? After all, the man was fighting on essentially one rotator cuff and put up the best fight he could under the circumstances. Credit should be given to him for pushing through it and simply getting into the ring altogether. Wrong. This is worse than simply underperforming. This is stupidity incarnate, and truly confirms that this fight was only about the money. (AP) A prime Pacquiao doesn’t set a single foot into that ring May 2 if he’s carrying such a significant injury. He doesn’t put his record, reputation, or health on the line against a tomato can, never mind an undefeated Mayweather. No, the Pacquiao of old would have put the fight on hold and allowed himself the nine months it would have taken to heal from surgery. That’s what a fighter with a desire to win would have done. That’s what any competitor would have done. But by fighting anyway, Pacquiao made the decision to take the loss and the money now. On the Friday leading up to the fight, Pacquiao was asked by a Nevada State Athletic Commission in a pre-fight examination and questionnaire whether he had any injuries to his shoulders, elbows, or hands that would require examination. Pacquiao checked “no.” His trainers gave him the anti-inflammatory Toradol and into the ring he went. (USA TODAY Sports) Winning wasn’t important. How could you argue otherwise? If it was, he wouldn’t have fought. It’s simple as that. But Pacquiao did fight, and his injury affected his signature right hook so severely that he threw approximately 400 fewer punches than normal. It wasn’t a heroic performance. It wasn’t gritty or determined. It was stupid, wasteful, and disingenuous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetfrantik Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Wow. You just never know what you'll wakeup to. As posted earlier, I thought Manny never showed up. Enjoyed the fight, pulling for Mayweather. Was wondering why Pacman did not show the usual effort. Remember that one round where Manny had Mayweather on the ropes and actually stepped back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 So this is how Floyd puts a cap on it. Getting people to clamor for a rematch after telling them they were defrauded the first time is ******* genius. Pacquiao couldn't win this fight five years ago with three rotator cuffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 It is. Marciano went 49-0 then retired. I know that Floyd passed Calzaghe after the last Maidana fight and I'm pretty sure he'll be in or near the top five for unbeaten streaks. There's a dude or two from the bareknuckle era ahead of him still. Willie Pep. This fight proved why boxing as its structured is done. There's no real regulation, it's state by state and a lot of people in Nevada owe Floyd. I'm pissed Manny didn't disclose his shoulder, wasting peoples money but the second he did he'd be forfeiting the 100+ million if he got surgery, or putting a bulls eye on it. The shot wasn't a steroid so who the **** cares? sh*ts stupid, just like how Floyd's relinquishing his titles, of which there's like 6, in 6000 weight classes. The sport deserves to die, if only to put the promoters out of business Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 As an attorney, nonsense lawsuits are an embarrassment to our profession. But in this one instance I hope everyone involved in this horror show gets bankrupted. And boxing goes away forever. MMA may have some office politics, but at least there is some semblance of order. The outright thievery and corruption of boxing needs to go away. Vegas is soon going to have an NHL team, the NFL and NBA will surely follow. It doesn't need this corrupt circus any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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