32EBoozer Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/12/nfl-owner-on-kraft-goodell-relationship-pretty-much-dead/ NFL owner on Kraft-Goodell relationship: “Pretty much dead” Posted by Darin Gantt on May 12, 2015, 7:29 AM EDT Roger Goodell, Robert Kraft AP Robert Kraft has supported Roger Goodell in the past. But with Goodell’s serious punishment of Kraft’s team, and Kraft’s staunch rebuttal last night, it seems they might not be as close as they once were. In fact, they may not be close at all. One unnamed owner (who has now forfeited the right to complain about leaks in his own building), told Mike Freeman of Bleacher Report the relationship between the commissioner and the Patriots owner was “pretty much dead.” “The main thing [NFL executive vice president Troy Vincent] said is true,” the owner said. “We need to make sure everyone is following the rules. All of us. I think Roger made the right decision and my guess is the rest of the owners agree.” That doesn’t mean they’re not a little anxious about how this impacts business between Goodell and a man previously identified as one of his biggest supporters. “Some of us [owners] are waiting a little nervously to see what Robert does next, . . .” he said. “It’s positive that we sent a message that cheating will not be tolerated. “I do think teams are looking around and saying, ‘What does this all mean?’ Teams are figuring it all out. But I think the bottom line is, don’t cheat, and you don’t have to worry about getting punished.” That kind of moral certitude is probably popular (or at least easy to sell) in 31 other front offices at the moment, but belies a complicated truth, and a working relationship that might have just been strained beyond the point of repair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Awww bromance is ovah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share Posted May 12, 2015 Hopefully this leads to the END of the Roger Goodell debacle!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 They never should've had a ******* relationship outside of professional to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 What a charade. The pats save a net of $600,000 and keep their star qb healthy for the last 3/4 of the season. The draft picks are the biggest punishment but considering their track record in the draft recently it's not a huge loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Hopefully this leads to the END of the Roger Goodell debacle!! Yea right. This whole thing was orchestrated to make Goodell seem objective when he's Kraft's piss boy. The patriots save money and extend the career of their 38 year old qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Fumble rate is what is going to be noticed the most. Pats will now have turnovers like rest of NFL. some say 'what about ridley?'... he maybe is just a horrific fumbler , even if ball flat and glued to his hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share Posted May 12, 2015 Yea right. This whole thing was orchestrated to make Goodell seem objective when he's Kraft's piss boy. The patriots save money and extend the career of their 38 year old qb. C'mon now!! I know you're smarter than that!! Home Field advantage to the Pats is HUGE!! That 4 games could cost them that advantage.... they don't cheat as well on the road as they do at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmat321 Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 I bet he wishes that he never ordered all that spy gate evidence destroyed. Huge favor on Goodell's part for not allowing any of that evidence to go public. Then the team proceeds to stab him in the back a little over 7 years later. I think that's what the draft picks were all about this time. They are the FU penalty for repeating the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share Posted May 12, 2015 Fumble rate is what is going to be noticed the most. Pats will now have turnovers like rest of NFL. Boy... I hope you're right! Seems logical but the Jets need to do a better job of causing T.O.'s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 C'mon now!! I know you're smarter than that!! Home Field advantage to the Pats is HUGE!! That 4 games could cost them that advantage.... they don't cheat as well on the road as they do at home. They'll still make the playoffs and can win on the road. What you think they'll lose to the Colts at Lucas Oil what happened last time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Boy... I hope you're right! Seems logical but the Jets need to do a better job of causing T.O.'s agree, but forget Jets for a second, NFL stated in report that Pats fumble rate vs rest of NFL was mathematically hard to explain as it was so much lower 6 years in a row. So appears to me Pats have been producing less turnovers than they SHOULD have that could have altered games, division titles, home field advantage etc etc etc Now thier RBs have to run w/normal inflated ball. aka more turnovers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 They'll still make the playoffs and can win on the road. What you think they'll lose to the Colts at Lucas Oil what happened last time? no one knows how Brady will perform w/nornall inflation for 1st time in years PLUS his RBs now will fumble more, that is 100% guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Fumble rate is what is going to be noticed the most. Pats will now have turnovers like rest of NFL. some say 'what about ridley?'... he maybe is just a horrific fumbler , even if ball flat and glued to his hands. Funny how Belichick was so furious at Ridley he benched him twice and buried him on the depth chart twice in 2013. Lol he knew nothing about the deflate. This investigation is a joke and Brady gets another month to bang supermodels in Rome or Rio or wherever the f-ck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 no one knows how Brady will perform w/nornall inflation for 1st time in years PLUS his RBs now will fumble more, that is 100% guaranteed. The fumbling affects the pats rbs and receivers more than Brady. He performed just fine in the Super Bowl when the balls had 12.5 PSI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Ending the clear favoritism is probably the best outcome of this whole farce. The AFC East is open for business! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 The fumbling affects the pats rbs and receivers more than Brady. He performed just fine in the Super Bowl when the balls had 12.5 PSI. I 100% agree. I have been saying 'biggest effect thats not being talked about' is Pats RB's now maybe fumbling more, aka game altering turnovers and WRs now not able to catch easier deflated balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Funny how Belichick was so furious at Ridley he benched him twice and buried him on the depth chart twice in 2013. Lol he knew nothing about the deflate. This investigation is a joke and Brady gets another month to bang supermodels in Rome or Rio or wherever the f-ck Belly knew. Thast why Brady didnt turn his phone over. Implicate Belly. Thats why Belly sdo mad at Ridley, aka, "How can u freakin fumble with a deflated ball for gods sake?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share Posted May 12, 2015 agree, but forget Jets for a second, NFL stated in report that Pats fumble rate vs rest of NFL was mathematically hard to explain as it was so much lower 6 years in a row. So appears to me Pats have been producing less turnovers than they SHOULD have that could have altered games, division titles, home field advantage etc etc etc Now thier RBs have to run w/normal inflated ball. aka more turnovers Were there any announcements by the NFL concerning the maintaining the sanctity of the footballs? Can only surmise that every team will be playing with balls of equal pressure from now on and the balls will be constantly in the care of an NFL employee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 I 100% agree. I have been saying 'biggest effect thats not being talked about' is Pats RB's now maybe fumbling more, aka game altering turnovers and WRs now not able to catch easier deflated balls. They will fumble more and +\~ in TOs will level out with the league average. I remember these idiot announcers and reporters praising Belichick for his no-nonsense approach being why the patriots had such good +\~ what a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Belly knew. Thast why Brady didnt turn his phone over. Implicate Belly. Thats why Belly sdo mad at Ridley, aka, "How can u freakin fumble with a deflated ball for gods sake?" The real punishment would have been $5 million with no suspension of Brady but Beluchick out for the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share Posted May 12, 2015 I hope the league begins to isolate Kraft from all the free PR he and the Pats get moving forward. Also hoping to see NFL Network and ESPN get the marching orders to lay off all the Pats focus.... If we're lucky Bruschi and Heath get demoted to the overnight desk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 no one knows how Brady will perform w/nornall inflation for 1st time in years PLUS his RBs now will fumble more, that is 100% guaranteed.Super Bowl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCEastFan Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 no one knows how Brady will perform w/nornall inflation for 1st time in years PLUS his RBs now will fumble more, that is 100% guaranteed. Super Bowl MVP plus the zero turnover game against the Jets when the balls were supposedly at 16 psi might provide some clues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/12/nfl-owner-on-kraft-goodell-relationship-pretty-much-dead/ NFL owner on Kraft-Goodell relationship: “Pretty much dead” Posted by Darin Gantt on May 12, 2015, 7:29 AM EDT Roger Goodell, Robert Kraft AP Robert Kraft has supported Roger Goodell in the past. But with Goodell’s serious punishment of Kraft’s team, and Kraft’s staunch rebuttal last night, it seems they might not be as close as they once were. In fact, they may not be close at all. One unnamed owner (who has now forfeited the right to complain about leaks in his own building), told Mike Freeman of Bleacher Report the relationship between the commissioner and the Patriots owner was “pretty much dead.” “The main thing [NFL executive vice president Troy Vincent] said is true,” the owner said. “We need to make sure everyone is following the rules. All of us. I think Roger made the right decision and my guess is the rest of the owners agree.” That doesn’t mean they’re not a little anxious about how this impacts business between Goodell and a man previously identified as one of his biggest supporters. “Some of us [owners] are waiting a little nervously to see what Robert does next, . . .” he said. “It’s positive that we sent a message that cheating will not be tolerated. “I do think teams are looking around and saying, ‘What does this all mean?’ Teams are figuring it all out. But I think the bottom line is, don’t cheat, and you don’t have to worry about getting punished.” That kind of moral certitude is probably popular (or at least easy to sell) in 31 other front offices at the moment, but belies a complicated truth, and a working relationship that might have just been strained beyond the point of repair. Better be careful---that morality stuff could screw everything up, if we are not careful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Super Bowl MVP plus the zero turnover game against the Jets when the balls were supposedly at 16 psi might provide some clues. I think Pats RBs turn ball over a lot in 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 The real punishment would have been $5 million with no suspension of Brady but Beluchick out for the season. If they really wanted to punish the Pats and hurt their chances of winning the division, they would have suspended Geno for four weeks, maybe longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCEastFan Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 I think Pats RBs turn ball over a lot in 2015 You may be right -- we'll see. The part that I can't get my head around is that if it's so easy to hold on to a deflated ball, couldn't the Patriots find someone with actual talent to run it? BJGE was easily the slowest, least talented, RB of the BB era. I'd have to think that there was someone available who could hold on to the ball AND break off an occasional run of more than 3 or 4 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 You may be right -- we'll see. The part that I can't get my head around is that if it's so easy to hold on to a deflated ball, couldn't the Patriots find someone with actual talent to run it? BJGE was easily the slowest, least talented, RB of the BB era. I'd have to think that there was someone available who could hold on to the ball AND break off an occasional run of more than 3 or 4 yards. That's just the point. You don't need to invest heavily in talented RB's when you: 1) Have a really good QB; and 2) Don't have to worry about turnovers mainly because said QB is making the footballs harder to fumble or get picked off. Few Super Bowl-winning teams have had tremendous RB's. Seattle is the only one in the last 15 years that comes to mind. Unless you want to put Ray Rice in that category, which I don't (not because of the punch; he just wasn't all that special a player). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 They never should've had a ******* relationship outside of professional to begin with.Exactly this like if Bowles and Ed Hochuli were regular drinking buddies. Just shouldn't be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Hopefully this leads to the END of the Roger Goodell debacle!! Meh. Goodell sucks, but that doesn't mean I want him replaced with Kraft's new choice for commissioner. I actually think he strengthened his position with the other owners by not going too soft on the Pats, though. He's not going anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCEastFan Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 That's just the point. You don't need to invest heavily in talented RB's when you: 1) Have a really good QB; and 2) Don't have to worry about turnovers mainly because said QB is making the footballs harder to fumble or get picked off. Few Super Bowl-winning teams have had tremendous RB's. Seattle is the only one in the last 15 years that comes to mind. Unless you want to put Ray Rice in that category, which I don't (not because of the punch; he just wasn't all that special a player). OK, but even current Pats UDFA's Jonas Gray and Brandon Bolden have more talent that BJGE and they can presumably hold deflated footballs just as well. Maybe BJGE happened to have some preternatural ability to hold deflated footballs, who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 This is great. I wonder if they're going to unfollow each other on Twitter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lego My Lageman Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Robert said that Roger is not allow to finish in him ever again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 And who is to blame for it being dead? Kraft and his team certainly not the commish (who I dislike in his own right). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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