32EBoozer Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I rarely hear Coples name come up when discussing the whole Mo Wilkerson contract situation. If Mo sits out OTA's and TC, and "Q" has a great camp playing Mo's position.... I could easily see MacDaddy swinging a deal for Mo. Maybe for a QB/ OLB or "Stud" OL(who's still young) or future draft picks. "Q" is as big as Mo(height wise/will need to add some weight as a 3-4 DE), as strong as Mo, faster than Mo..... but he may also be "softer" than Mo. If he steps up and plays as well as Mo, he plays under his rookie deal through 2016 and won't see FA until 2017. If he plays up to a #1 pick this year, you could conceivably trade Wilkerson and Coples in back to back years for an extra high draft pick or players and still have Richardson and Williams lining up together for the next 6 years!! Richardson gets extended in 2017..... Leo in 2019. A lot depends on Coples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 "best case"... "jets"... tl;dr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Best case is Geno throwing 30 TD and 10 INT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Best case is Geno throwing 30 TD and 10 INT ^^ This and only this. Coples could be abducted by aliens and the D line wouldn't miss a beat. Means nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet in PA Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Coples played well when Wilkerson went down last year but either way our defense is going to be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted May 21, 2015 Author Share Posted May 21, 2015 Best case is Geno throwing 30 TD and 10 INT So that means you extend Wilkerson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 He's already as good as Chandler Jones, so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 So that means you extend Wilkerson? If we suddenly have a QB, then sure stay dominant for as long as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted May 21, 2015 Author Share Posted May 21, 2015 If we suddenly have a QB, then sure stay dominant for as long as possible. And if we don't have a QB.... do you use your dominant chess pieces to try and get that QB? Just trying to see where people stand on this. I know there have been a few threads on this but no one seems to be giving any consideration to Coples. It all seems to be Leonard Williams being the de-facto replacement for Mo. I'm wondering if "Q" steps up, how that would impact the Wilkerson equation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolot Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Is beast mode different than breaking out? Cuz he already broke out last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I'm one of the bigger Coples apologists around, but the idea that he's going to somehow solve the Mo money Mo problem is nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I'm one of the bigger Coples apologists around, but the idea that he's going to somehow solve the Mo money Mo problem is nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 And if we don't have a QB.... do you use your dominant chess pieces to try and get that QB? Just trying to see where people stand on this. I know there have been a few threads on this but no one seems to be giving any consideration to Coples. It all seems to be Leonard Williams being the de-facto replacement for Mo. I'm wondering if "Q" steps up, how that would impact the Wilkerson equation? Probably not, because most teams understand QB >>>>>>>>>>> DE. Your scenario draws one majorly false conclusion, and it is that teams are willing to hand over a franchise QB for a defensive end. So, I say probably not, because teams aren't like to make a deal with us. Instead, I figure we'll just be dominant all over our defense, and have QB we hope doesn't lose games single-handedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted May 21, 2015 Author Share Posted May 21, 2015 Probably not, because most teams understand QB >>>>>>>>>>> DE. Your scenario draws one majorly false conclusion, and it is that teams are willing to hand over a franchise QB for a defensive end. So, I say probably not, because teams aren't like to make a deal with us. Instead, I figure we'll just be dominant all over our defense, and have QB we hope doesn't lose games single-handedly. I never stated that someone would trade a franchise QB straight up for Mo.... I was talking more about getting a high first for Mo if there is another "can't miss" type QB in the draft. Trade 2 firsts to go up and get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I never stated that someone would trade a franchise QB straight up for Mo.... I was talking more about getting a high first for Mo if there is another "can't miss" type QB in the draft. Trade 2 firsts to go up and get him. My mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Dare I say, breakthrough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keysersoze Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Only defensive player you could concievably trade for a franchise QB is JJ Watt. And even then, the team trading the defensive guy better throw in a first-rounder or two to make it work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted May 21, 2015 Author Share Posted May 21, 2015 Only defensive player you could concievably trade for a franchise QB is JJ Watt. And even then, the team trading the defensive guy better throw in a first-rounder or two to make it work. As I mentioned to Ape, I was thinking more in the line of Draft picks for Mo. I would love to see him stay and hope Idzik can figure out how to parlay the abundance of talent at the DL position into future talent at more positions across the board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 What is the precedent for the return in a trade for a guy like Mo? I've heard people talking about getting multiple 1st round picks which sounds way over the top to me. I'm not even sure if you can get a single 1st round pick for him. It's not that he isn't a great player, but how many established players can you name that got traded for a 1st round pick? Revis, yeah, in a deal where Idzik ripped off Tampa Bay big time. Harvin maybe? What a mistake that was for Seattle. If the Jets move Mo and if they move him for anything less than a 1st round pick, then the Williams pick wasn't a value pick at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Coples gets a bad rap a lot of the time but I thought he played pretty well especially the second half of the season. I think Bowles is going to really be pleasantly surprised at just how good he really his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 What is the precedent for the return in a trade for a guy like Mo? I've heard people talking about getting multiple 1st round picks which sounds way over the top to me. I'm not even sure if you can get a single 1st round pick for him. It's not that he isn't a great player, but how many established players can you name that got traded for a 1st round pick? Revis, yeah, in a deal where Idzik ripped off Tampa Bay big time. Harvin maybe? What a mistake that was for Seattle. If the Jets move Mo and if they move him for anything less than a 1st round pick, then the Williams pick wasn't a value pick at all. The Pats got a 1st for Seymour who was starting to slow down a bit. They would for sure get a 1st though maybe not a high 1st and perhaps another pick. I certainly would not look into dealing him until after this year. In my mind the ball is in his court. If he wants to get paid the big dollars he has to play great, all year, not just half a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted May 21, 2015 Author Share Posted May 21, 2015 Coples gets a bad rap a lot of the time but I thought he played pretty well especially the second half of the season. I think Bowles is going to really be pleasantly surprised at just how good he really his. Do you think Bowles keeps him @ OLB or tries to fit him in on an already overcrowded, stupendously talented, DL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Do you think Bowles keeps him @ OLB or tries to fit him in on an already overcrowded, stupendously talented, DL? Bowles has already said he will be an OLB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Bowles has already said he will be an OLB Remember when Rex was an idiot for playing him out of position? I take it Bowles is a genius for this move? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 The Pats got a 1st for Seymour who was starting to slow down a bit. They would for sure get a 1st though maybe not a high 1st and perhaps another pick. I certainly would not look into dealing him until after this year. In my mind the ball is in his court. If he wants to get paid the big dollars he has to play great, all year, not just half a year.That was Al Davis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 That was Al Davis It only takes one team to want a player, much like in the draft. A near pro bowl dlineman in his prime would be worth a reasonable amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Remember when Rex was an idiot for playing him out of position? I take it Bowles is a genius for this move? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBallhawk Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 If there's one guy on our team I don't want to block or get hit by its Coples. Not sure who created this myth of him being soft just because off the field he looks like he's about to fall asleep 90% of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Do you think Bowles keeps him @ OLB or tries to fit him in on an already overcrowded, stupendously talented, DL? Absolutely. He is going BEAST at OLB; there will be times he may have his hand in the dirt but I can see Bowles moving him all over the place and him being our version of Mario Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 If there's one guy on our team I don't want to block or get hit by its Coples. Not sure who created this myth of him being soft just because off the field he looks like he's about to fall asleep 90% of the time. Yep I totally agree and now he will be matched up one on one more often than not. It is not going to be pretty...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Coples, Mauldin, IK along with Reilly and/or UDFA Dion Barnes, could wind up making Pace and Babin expendable at OLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBallhawk Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Yep I totally agree and now he will be matched up one on one more often than not. It is not going to be pretty...... I think he had 3 confirmed "kills" (IR'ing somebody) last season. 2 running backs he almost decapitated with his trademark clothesline coming off the edge and just grabbing their heads like Hulk would with his palm and ripping their helmets off, and a QB on a late hit I think (Locker?). He doesn't have the same crazy personality of a Lyle Alzado or Bill Romanowski but he has that same playing style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Remember when Rex was an idiot for playing him out of position? I take it Bowles is a genius for this move? I didn't think he was an idiot move at all; It just took time for Coples to make the the adjustment. Not to mention the ankle injury he suffered in camp that had bothered most of his first year at the position; he also need to lose about 15-20 pounds which he did. Last year because of our horrendous secondary, Rex actually had him dropping to coverage a lot more than he probably planned, but in doing so, Coples did show some ability in that area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I think he had 3 confirmed "kills" (IR'ing somebody) last season. 2 running backs he almost decapitated with his trademark clothesline coming off the edge and just grabbing their heads like Hulk would with his palm and ripping their helmets off, and a QB on a late hit I think (Locker?). He doesn't have the same crazy personality of a Lyle Alzado or Bill Romanowski but he has that same playing style. I can't wait to see him and Mauldin line up together; it will be "Fire and Ice", pick your poison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBallhawk Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Do you think Bowles keeps him @ OLB or tries to fit him in on an already overcrowded, stupendously talented, DL? He's an OLB in the base 3-4 defense. Even with Mo absent I doubt they move him to DE. They know Mo will be back eventually, so it's a waste of time. Q needs the snaps at OLB, we all know he can play Mo's position without having to prepare really, he can just dive in and be just as effective. I think right now either Bowen or Vickerson is taking his spot at DE. Leonard probably lines up with the 2nd team for now I'd guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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