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Maccagnan Strikes Again! (Plucking scouts from the Packers)


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I like what Mac has done so far. But this is a reach. Things have slowed down significantly since draft. Hiring a scout doesn't change that.

 

Seriously. Falling in love with a GM before we even played a single pre season snap. I hope its all roses, but man I remember all the in Idzick I trust crap, the Mr. T nonsense.....

Even keel would be nice, just saying

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It's no miracle. He did have a ton of cap space to begin with. It's not like every signing he has made has been close to fair value.

 

Either the GM has performed miracles and with very little cap space signed a boatload of great players at bargain basement prices OR those morons leaving the negative votes have to stop fellating the new GM and face reality.

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Seriously. Falling in love with a GM before we even played a single pre season snap. I hope its all roses, but man I remember all the in Idzick I trust crap, the Mr. T nonsense.....

Even keel would be nice, just saying

I'm thinking Maccagnan should lead the team out of the tunnel on opening day.

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I'm thinking Maccagnan should lead the team out of the tunnel on opening day

Now that he has ensured his enshrinement in Canton.... Let's see if he can make all the throws!

 

Give him a jersey and let's see what he can do. He can be the final piece of the puzzle.

 

And you know he'll control the huddle 'cause he'll fire your ass if you don't listen up.

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Who the eff are you ? If i want you to take a cheap shot at me, I will let you know. Till then GFY!

 

The money does not come out of my pocket. Only reason i point out stupid decisions are because i would like the JETS to win it all ONCE in my lifetime. Period.

calm down everyone. It's only the World Wide Web ;)

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I'm super excited about this person I've never heard of and know nothing about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Really.

Maccagnan, more than other GMs, should probably get a little more benefit of the doubt here. He's a scout, these guys are scouts. They all know each other, see (saw) each other often, spoke of and scouted the same players at the same time. Maccagnan surely knows which scouts (which available scouts) share common opinions or look at/look for the same things, both good and bad, in a prospect.

Likewise the same with the Jets' outgoing scouts that weren't retained. He may not have seen or liked the same things they did while at the same players' pro days, which is a polite way of saying he thought they sucked: that they saw a lot of things that aren't there in players, or failed to see what Mac believed to be right in front of their eyes. Presumably the opposite with regard to the new guys he just hired.

But since most are going by the success of the teams those others worked for, rather than knowledge (that Mac has) of which specific prospects they liked/hated before their success or failure? Yeah the reactions are mostly a bit ridiculous.

I see it as more of a positive because our rooted-in-scouting GM knows them more than because of the successes of these guys' former teams. I mean, I'll bet every scout for Seattle wasn't banging on the table to draft Russell Wilson lol.

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Well, at least you resisted going on your usual Brandon Marshall tirade. That's an improvement.

Shocker that he's fighting with people again!  That never happens!  He's usually so rational and thoughtful.  Must be some kind of odd obsession coupled with the misplaced theory that he who dies with the most cap space wins.  I am one of the legions who have utilized the "ignore" feature but we are subjected to the nonsense when others quote him.

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Mac had a butload of money to spend and he spent it, not necessarily in the wisest manner (Skrine and Cro? but no Mo).  He had a top five draft pick in which the best player in the draft fell into his lap.  He had a decent draft, but he did a bit of reaching as well (Mauldin) and had a few head scratchers (Petty, Simon..a DT).  Now we're happy-dancing over the fact that he picked up a few regional scouts from other teams?  Really?  Truth is, Mac has done a lot to improve the squad.  Now we have to see how he manages it.  We have to see how his picks contribute.  Was Devin Smith a better decision than J. Strong?  Was Mauldin a better pick at three than Harold? Was Bryce Petty even necessary?  Is Jarvis Harrison a sleeper or is he just a big dude with no real motor?  Why on earth did we draft two DT's in this draft...Dion Simon?  Really?  Anointing Mac the savior before the team has taken the field for a single full practice is premature at the least.  There are lots of changes and lots of moving parts to assess this season.  Mac is going to have his hands full.  Lets see how he does.  Then, if the Jets break even or better, we can throw a party in his honor.

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Mac had a butload of money to spend and he spent it, not necessarily in the wisest manner (Skrine and Cro? but no Mo).  He had a top five draft pick in which the best player in the draft fell into his lap.  He had a decent draft, but he did a bit of reaching as well (Mauldin) and had a few head scratchers (Petty, Simon..a DT).  Now we're happy-dancing over the fact that he picked up a few regional scouts from other teams?  Really?  Truth is, Mac has done a lot to improve the squad.  Now we have to see how he manages it.  We have to see how his picks contribute.  Was Devin Smith a better decision than J. Strong?  Was Mauldin a better pick at three than Harold? Was Bryce Petty even necessary?  Is Jarvis Harrison a sleeper or is he just a big dude with no real motor?  Why on earth did we draft two DT's in this draft...Dion Simon?  Really?  Anointing Mac the savior before the team has taken the field for a single full practice is premature at the least.  There are lots of changes and lots of moving parts to assess this season.  Mac is going to have his hands full.  Lets see how he does.  Then, if the Jets break even or better, we can throw a party in his honor.

Rather than try to nitpick a small piece or two ... I'll just say this is a well thought out and stated post. I will also say that Mac hasn't done anything to really upset most of us yet ... And he had made some moves to really get us excited (Bowles , Revis, Marshall).

I do agree he's still got his hands full and needs to continue well ... He has come out of the starting gate in good position though ... With what we've rooted for in the past ... That is a nice step in the right direction

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maccagnan is a workoholic, if you read between the lines of some of his comments he thought the jets scouting dept was more or less lazy

 

the kid was promoted by ron wolf, that's good enough for me

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Mac had a butload of money to spend and he spent it, not necessarily in the wisest manner (Skrine and Cro? but no Mo).  He had a top five draft pick in which the best player in the draft fell into his lap.  He had a decent draft, but he did a bit of reaching as well (Mauldin) and had a few head scratchers (Petty, Simon..a DT).  Now we're happy-dancing over the fact that he picked up a few regional scouts from other teams?  Really?  Truth is, Mac has done a lot to improve the squad.  Now we have to see how he manages it.  We have to see how his picks contribute.  Was Devin Smith a better decision than J. Strong?  Was Mauldin a better pick at three than Harold? Was Bryce Petty even necessary?  Is Jarvis Harrison a sleeper or is he just a big dude with no real motor?  Why on earth did we draft two DT's in this draft...Dion Simon?  Really?  Anointing Mac the savior before the team has taken the field for a single full practice is premature at the least.  There are lots of changes and lots of moving parts to assess this season.  Mac is going to have his hands full.  Lets see how he does.  Then, if the Jets break even or better, we can throw a party in his honor.

Skrine and Cro were upgrades, Mo would have been premature. He had a top six pick, not top five and it took balls to take a guy that was an apparent non-need who was hands down BPA. He had an outstanding draft by all accounts, including Mauldin as an excellent fit, the recovery of a fourth to take a potential solid QB for the future (yes, that was necessary), not to mention spending what was essentially a high sixth on Marshall (when you calculate the entire process), grabbing an excellent developmental prospect in Harrison, and taking Devin Smith, who fit our WR unit better than Strong. You fail to mention Revis and Fitz as well. The only deal I would quibble with was Harris, but not much. And there's money left over. While I would agree that you can't judge the outcome of all these actions I don't think it's a stretch to say that he addressed every need within his power and used the money extremely well. If there had been  franchise QB out there to deal for, we might be talking a different scheme, but there wasn't. I'll throw the party right now for what he did in real time, since none of us are seers. He did an outstanding job.

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This is the most comprehensive offseason I've ever seen regarding the Jets.

Think about 2009.

We move up to draft a QB that started like 17 games at USC but we didn't even sign a veteran QB to back him up?

Just plain STUPID!

A veteran QB might have gotten the Jets to a Superbowl in one of those years with that defense & Oline.

But I digress.

Did he overpay for Cro? I say yes, but we have the money.

Did he overpay for Harris? Absolutely, but there is something to be said about rewarding a guy that has been nothing but a hard working professional who gives everything to the organization.

But, none of these contracts will hurt the Jets long term because of the way they were structured.

We drafted a stud Dlineman, did we need him? Well, I'm already seeing that we might have trouble signing Mo or maybe Richardson in the future. Who knows?

Mac hedged his bet by lucking into the best player in the draft on most boards.

Devin Smith was a HUGE need. We already had 2 possession WRs & Kerley in the slot so we bring in a guy that can go from zero to 100 in an instant & take the top off the defense & get this, EVERY scout says he's TREMENDOUS at tracking the long ball.

Mauldin was a huge need, Harris is on his last legs.

Drafting DTs?

Of course, Snacks might be hard to sign. At some point I'm sure the decision will be Mo or Snacks? Or Sheldon or Snacks?

No f*cking brainer! See ya Snacks, I hope Simon can play.

We signed a back veteran QB in Fitzy. Forget the fact that he's a vet, he's also incredibly smart, and he is familiar with Chan Gailey & can mentor Geno along the way.

Even Lattimore & Henderson were good "under the radar" signings.

He also did well in bringing in a couple highly sought after UDFAs.

Very excited about Mac.

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maccagnan is a workoholic, if you read between the lines of some of his comments he thought the jets scouting dept was more or less lazy

 

the kid was promoted by ron wolf, that's good enough for me

I'm hoping this guy can help us find middle round WR talent like those listed below!

Packers WR corp is the equivalent of our DL depth! Talent from 1-6 on the positional  depth chart

 

 

Already stacked with Jordy Nelson, Cobb and promising second-year wideout Davante Adams, the Packers have the luxury of breaking Montgomery in as a playmaking kick-return specialist with a few package plays on offense.

Over the past ten years, Packers general manager Ted Thompson has drafted Adams, Cobb, Nelson, James Jones and Greg Jennings in the second and third rounds without a single early-round whiff at the position. That track record obviously bodes well for Montgomery's future in Green Bay.

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Mac also got Stacey from the Rams and a WR from the Texans as part of this draft.

Yup. But Posey is by definition no good and Stacey is worthless. And Marshall is ancient and Skrine is a chump and Cro has too many kids. And I should mention that Petty will amount to nothing, Fitz has a beard, and Geno... well, that's a thread in itself, Williams was a waste pick, Mauldin is a sob story but too slow, Ridley is fumble machine, Ferguson is over the hill, Revis is greedy, Richardson is greedy, Harris is overpaid, Smith is a one-trick pony, Pryor is a bust, Coples is a bust, Milliner is a bust, McDougle is a nobody, and Bowles has no experience as a head coach. I won't even mention McCag or Woody. All in all, our doom and gloom club has been very active. I'm sure I missed a few, but our SOJF's will fill them in...

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Skrine and Cro were upgrades, Mo would have been premature. He had a top six pick, not top five and it took balls to take a guy that was an apparent non-need who was hands down BPA. He had an outstanding draft by all accounts, including Mauldin as an excellent fit, the recovery of a fourth to take a potential solid QB for the future (yes, that was necessary), not to mention spending what was essentially a high sixth on Marshall (when you calculate the entire process), grabbing an excellent developmental prospect in Harrison, and taking Devin Smith, who fit our WR unit better than Strong. You fail to mention Revis and Fitz as well. The only deal I would quibble with was Harris, but not much. And there's money left over. While I would agree that you can't judge the outcome of all these actions I don't think it's a stretch to say that he addressed every need within his power and used the money extremely well. If there had been  franchise QB out there to deal for, we might be talking a different scheme, but there wasn't. I'll throw the party right now for what he did in real time, since none of us are seers. He did an outstanding job.

Good post. All you can judge about Maccagnan is that on paper he upgraded this team - without a doubt. Plus he had a well though out free agency plan and a well managed draft - always good to get depth over need in draft- never know when someone gets injured or holds out plus you have to develop talent. The Jets still have a tenuous QB situation but now have a solid back up who knows the system and a developmental QB. Good stuff.

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I'm glad we've had our first real regime change since 2001 when Parcells and his guys left.  Everyone wants to argue Mangini vs. Rex - it's been mostly Bradway and his flunkies running the FO last 15 years and the results have been mixed to put it kindly.

 

Way too many non-factor players being drafted in the 3rd round and later.  Look at Seattle how well they draft in the late rounds or Pittsburgh. 

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