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Here we go again, another guy questioning Geno's intelligence, now if you weren't also and African American Sperm Edwards I'd be screaming "THAT'S RACIST!" anybody have the GIF of that little kid mouthing the words for me? 

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Geno played good in exactly one game his entire career, that being the Miami game last year in which the season was mathematically lost and there was zero pressure on him to perform. Part of being a starting NFL QB is being able to do that every week of the season when pressure is, in fact, on the line. Geno doesn't possess the mental constitution to ever be successful in this league. It's that simple.

 

If he were the bonafide starter, by now he would have already separated himself from a gimpy journeyman Fitzpatrick in camp. Yet, all we hear are OTA reports and tweets about how Fitz is making the throws and connecting with his receivers, while Geno still continues to miss his targets and make boneheaded interceptions. Same sh*t, different year. The sooner this organization can admit that Geno isn't the answer moving forward, the better off we will be.

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Geno played good in exactly one game his entire career, that being the Miami game last year in which the season was mathematically lost and there was zero pressure on him to perform. Part of being a starting NFL QB is being able to do that every week of the season when pressure is, in fact, on the line. Geno doesn't possess the mental constitution to ever be successful in this league. It's that simple.

 

If he were the bonafide starter, by now he would have already separated himself from a gimpy journeyman Fitzpatrick in camp. Yet, all we hear are OTA reports and tweets about how Fitz is making the throws and connecting with his receivers, while Geno still continues to miss his targets and make boneheaded interceptions. Same sh*t, different year. The sooner this organization can admit that Geno isn't the answer moving forward, the better off we will be.

Pretty much wrong right from the first line.

 

How the hell do you separate yourself from your own backup during OTA's?  

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Geno played good in exactly one game his entire career, that being the Miami game last year in which the season was mathematically lost and there was zero pressure on him to perform. Part of being a starting NFL QB is being able to do that every week of the season when pressure is, in fact, on the line. Geno doesn't possess the mental constitution to ever be successful in this league. It's that simple.

 

If he were the bonafide starter, by now he would have already separated himself from a gimpy journeyman Fitzpatrick in camp. Yet, all we hear are OTA reports and tweets about how Fitz is making the throws and connecting with his receivers, while Geno still continues to miss his targets and make boneheaded interceptions. Same sh*t, different year. The sooner this organization can admit that Geno isn't the answer moving forward, the better off we will be.

exactly right from the first word until the last. What you fail to understand my Seminole friend is that there is a contingent of Jets fans who conveniently like to take only the good games in Geno Smith's career and formulate those games into a season's worth of play-so just because the last 2 Decembers meant absolutely NOTHING as far as meaningful football goes matters not to these Geno defenders. The same group of people who probably would still like to argue that Chad Pennington is a better QB than Tom Brady because of some obscure stat, so you have to take it from whence it comes. Whoa oh oh oh oh oh (CHOP CHOP ) Whoa Oh Oh <---------That's my Seminole cheer

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Geno has been as bad in his first couple of seasons as Sanchez was. He's a big longshot to turn it around at this point, even considering how low a bar he's got to clear here. Mediocrity at the quarterback position would be a lot better than anything we've had in a decade bar pre-injury Favre. If Fitzpatrick is healthy I can't see him out there actively derping things up and losing us games. What is Geno going to do in the next three months where anybody's going to be able to say the same for him with any degree of confidence?

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Geno has been as bad in his first couple of seasons as Sanchez was. He's a big longshot to turn it around at this point, even considering how low a bar he's got to clear here. Mediocrity at the quarterback position would be a lot better than anything we've had in a decade bar pre-injury Favre. If Fitzpatrick is healthy I can't see him out there actively derping things up and losing us games. What is Geno going to do in the next three months where anybody's going to be able to say the same for him with any degree of confidence?

That Geno won more games as a rookie, with nothing around him, as Fitz has in any of his 10 NFL seasons?  

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exactly right from the first word until the last. What you fail to understand my Seminole friend is that there is a contingent of Jets fans who conveniently like to take only the good games in Geno Smith's career and formulate those games into a season's worth of play-so just because the last 2 Decembers meant absolutely NOTHING as far as meaningful football goes matters not to these Geno defenders. The same group of people who probably would still like to argue that Chad Pennington is a better QB than Tom Brady because of some obscure stat, so you have to take it from whence it comes. Whoa oh oh oh oh oh (CHOP CHOP ) Whoa Oh Oh <---------That's my Seminole cheer

Just as there is a contingent of Jets fans who will tell you over and over again that Geno has played one good game.  Or that none were in games that counted for anyone, or that its all his fault.  

 

But its just the defenders who make sh*t up.  OK

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The way I look at it is that the team has the best set of receivers that Geno has gotten to play with, probably one of the better sets of receivers in the NFL currently. I am sure Geno is aware, I am sure the coaching staff is aware of the offensive talent we have, Geno knows if he messes up he isn't going to be given much slack and the coaching staff knows what they have riding on the teams success, if Geno doesn't improve quickly they will bench him in favor of Fitzpatrick to cover their own asses. The short version of what I am trying to say here is that I trust the new staff and I think they will do what is best for the team as they don't really have any reason to try to force Geno to be successful.

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We won a bunch of games with Sanchez too. He was still a bad quarterback with little chance of improving enough to matter. That's where we are with Geno now.

What does Sanchez have to do with it?  Different team, players, coaches, etc. 

 

Point is Fitz isn't the answer, isn't even close to a given that he's better than Geno.  Bringing Sanchez into the mix doesnt change the fact that over 10 seasons Fitz has never topped 6 wins.

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Let's take Geno completely out of the conversation for a second.

 

People just want to ignore the fact that because of Rex we played a Frankenstein mismatch of offenses under his reign especially the last four years. Rex forced the offense to run power running schemes and wildcat, while trying to maintain a semblance of the scheme's passing schemes. But the passing schemes were not keyed off the running formations and were separate. Putting ourselves in a situation that probably 75% of the time the opposing team would know whether we running a pass or a run. Then the Jets game planning exacerbated that by being super conservative on offense on 1st and second downs, so all the opposition needed to do was recognize the formation, stuff the box on a run, and blitz/stunt on passes since we did not have the talent to beat 1 on 1 coverages. Throw in an underneath zone every once in a while, especially on the frequent occasions we had an unfavorable third down position and turnovers skyrocketed. 

 

Simply put, we ran a hybrid offensive system designed to minimize mistakes, which paradoxically made it more likely to make mistakes, and extremely difficult to create mismatches. Throw in a lack of talent at WR and a shaky o-line and it recipe for disaster almost regardless of QB. Rex's offensive plan simply does not work in a modern NFL. It is almost guaranteed to fail. Also, because of the ground and pound and wildcat forced into the offensive scheme OC is almost irrelevant the offense is basically the same under all of them.

 

In fact the best possible result for the ridiculous offense we ran is mediocrity. In 2009 and 2010 we had an ELITE offensive line, easily the best in the NFL, and so good that we could actually run against a stacked box. Even then, we were 17th in yards and points in 2009 and 13th in 2010. And keeping an OL of that level consistently in the NFL is pretty much impossible.

 

How can you evaluate any QB in that system? A system that BY DESIGN forces the QB into severely disadvantaged situations that are extremely difficult for any QB to overcome.

 

No, the reality is that you cannot separate the performance of the QB from the worst offensive system in the NFL under a brain dead HC.

 

At least we get to see a real offense scheme this year, and we have significantly more talent on offense as well. Let's see how it plays out. No matter who starts just from a scheme and philosophy change we will be MUCH better on offense.

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Let's take Geno completely out of the conversation for a second.

 

People just want to ignore the fact that because of Rex we played a Frankenstein mismatch of offenses under his reign especially the last four years. Rex forced the offense to run power running schemes and wildcat, while trying to maintain a semblance of the scheme's passing schemes. But the passing schemes were not keyed off the running formations and were separate. Putting ourselves in a situation that probably 75% of the time the opposing team would know whether we running a pass or a run. Then the Jets game planning exacerbated that by being super conservative on offense on 1st and second downs, so all the opposition needed to do was recognize the formation, stuff the box on a run, and blitz/stunt on passes since we did not have the talent to beat 1 on 1 coverages. Throw in an underneath zone every once in a while, especially on the frequent occasions we had an unfavorable third down position and turnovers skyrocketed. 

 

Simply put, we ran a hybrid offensive system designed to minimize mistakes, which paradoxically made it more likely to make mistakes, and extremely difficult to create mismatches. Throw in a lack of talent at WR and a shaky o-line and it recipe for disaster almost regardless of QB. Rex's offensive plan simply does not work in a modern NFL. It is almost guaranteed to fail. Also, because of the ground and pound and wildcat forced into the offensive scheme OC is almost irrelevant the offense is basically the same under all of them.

 

In fact the best possible result for the ridiculous offense we ran is mediocrity. In 2009 and 2010 we had an ELITE offensive line, easily the best in the NFL, and so good that we could actually run against a stacked box. Even then, we were 17th in yards and points in 2009 and 13th in 2010. And keeping an OL of that level consistently in the NFL is pretty much impossible.

 

How can you evaluate any QB in that system? A system that BY DESIGN forces the QB into severely disadvantaged situations that are extremely difficult for any QB to overcome.

 

No, the reality is that you cannot separate the performance of the QB from the worst offensive system in the NFL under a brain dead HC.

 

At least we get to see a real offense scheme this year, and we have significantly more talent on offense as well. Let's see how it plays out. No matter who starts just from a scheme and philosophy change we will be MUCH better on offense.

Great post, well thought out.

Football isn't about 1 play, it's about stacking plays on top of one another, on offense it's called getting into a rhythm. I would bet Geno was in more 3rd & longs than any QB in the league.

Run, run, false start, 3rd & 13.

How do you beat Tom Brady?

You keep him off the field with your offense & get him OUT OF RHYTHM. If you can get Brady out of rhythm by holding the ball, forcing some holding calls on his Oline, sack him to force 3rd & longs, even he has some trouble, so of course your naive QB is gonna struggle his azz off in those tougher situations.

Plus the Jets defense gave up a lot of big plays last year, remember the Pats 1st drive at Gillette last year? Shane Vareen WIDE OPEN with no one within 30 yards...TD. When you have a young QB you can't put him in holes with absolutely abysmal gaffes that turn into easy TDs. The Jets offense was like watching guys trying to climb up ropes with grease on them.

It's been PAINFUL for Rex entire time here, INCLUDING 2009 & 2010.

Our passing game in Rex tenure has always been hands over eyes...scary to watch.

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Let's take Geno completely out of the conversation for a second.

 

People just want to ignore the fact that because of Rex we played a Frankenstein mismatch of offenses under his reign especially the last four years. Rex forced the offense to run power running schemes and wildcat, while trying to maintain a semblance of the scheme's passing schemes. But the passing schemes were not keyed off the running formations and were separate. Putting ourselves in a situation that probably 75% of the time the opposing team would know whether we running a pass or a run. Then the Jets game planning exacerbated that by being super conservative on offense on 1st and second downs, so all the opposition needed to do was recognize the formation, stuff the box on a run, and blitz/stunt on passes since we did not have the talent to beat 1 on 1 coverages. Throw in an underneath zone every once in a while, especially on the frequent occasions we had an unfavorable third down position and turnovers skyrocketed. 

 

Simply put, we ran a hybrid offensive system designed to minimize mistakes, which paradoxically made it more likely to make mistakes, and extremely difficult to create mismatches. Throw in a lack of talent at WR and a shaky o-line and it recipe for disaster almost regardless of QB. Rex's offensive plan simply does not work in a modern NFL. It is almost guaranteed to fail. Also, because of the ground and pound and wildcat forced into the offensive scheme OC is almost irrelevant the offense is basically the same under all of them.

 

In fact the best possible result for the ridiculous offense we ran is mediocrity. In 2009 and 2010 we had an ELITE offensive line, easily the best in the NFL, and so good that we could actually run against a stacked box. Even then, we were 17th in yards and points in 2009 and 13th in 2010. And keeping an OL of that level consistently in the NFL is pretty much impossible.

 

How can you evaluate any QB in that system? A system that BY DESIGN forces the QB into severely disadvantaged situations that are extremely difficult for any QB to overcome.

 

No, the reality is that you cannot separate the performance of the QB from the worst offensive system in the NFL under a brain dead HC.

 

At least we get to see a real offense scheme this year, and we have significantly more talent on offense as well. Let's see how it plays out. No matter who starts just from a scheme and philosophy change we will be MUCH better on offense.

This is really a great post!! Pin this one up!!

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