Tough Love or Best Friend: Bowles vs. Rex

[jeaniec]

AFC East's Best Defense Buffalo Bills vs. New York Jets 

 

 

|This off season, three teams in the AFC East have made big strides towards dethroning the reigning division champion New England Patriots. From the 2015 NFL Draft to free agency, the Buffalo Bills, Miami Dolphins and New York Jets all have improved rosters and people are taking notice.

Aside from the offensive playmakers that are suddenly in the division, guys like DT Ndamukong Suh, DT Leonard Williams and DE/LB Jerry Hughes being added to or staying in the AFC East have bolstered everyone’s defense. Buffalo had the best unit of the bunch last season, but debates have already begun in forums and social media pages over which team will have the better squad in 2015. Now, Sports Illustrated has weighed in.

 

Last week, SI.com’s Doug Farrar discussed who will have the better defense this season in a post called “toss-ups”, where he tries to pick just one between the Buffalo Bills and the NY Jets. Needless to say, we wouldn’t be talking about this further if he crowned the Bills. Instead, Farrar takes the Jets’ unit, led by first-year head coach Todd Bowles, who recently won the 2014 AP Assistant Coach of the Year Award as defensive coordinator of the Arizona Cardinals.

There’s no doubt the Jets have gotten better on the defensive side of the ball since the end of last season (at least personnel-wise), but let’s take a closer look to see if Rex Ryan’s old team can supplant his new squad in 2015.

 

Buffalo Bills vs. NY Jets 2014 Defensive Rankings (Leader Italicized)

Total Yards/G:  312.2 (4th) vs. 327 (6th)

Passing Yards/G: 205.8 (3rd) vs. 234 (14th)

Rushing Yards/G: 106.4 (11th) vs. 95 (5th)

Points/G: 18.1 (4TH) vs. 25 (24th)

Takeaways/G: 1.8 (3rd) vs. 0.8 (32nd)

 

NY Jets Key Defensive Additions

CB Darrelle Revis (FA)

CB Antonio Cromartie (FA)

DB Buster Skrine (FA)

S Marcus Gilchrist (FA)

DL Leonard Williams (1st round)

OLB Lorenzo Mauldin (3rd round)

No major personnel losses

 

Buffalo Bills Key Defensive Additions

CB Ronald Darby (2nd round)

DE Jerry Hughes (FA)

Key Losses

S Da’Norris Searcy (FA)

ILB Brandon Spikes (FA)

 

Looking over those numbers the Jets’ D has a lot of room to improve in just one season. Even with those lackluster rankings, it’s encouraging to see a Rex Ryan-coached defense continually play well against the run, as Buffalo actually showed some weakness in that category toward the end of last year. Besides rushing yards per game though, the Bills were better in all categories, including points allowed by a full touchdown.

 

Darrelle Revis makes his return to the Big Apple (Paul J. Bereswill)

 

The signing of cornerbacks Darrelle Revis and Antonio Cromartie will absolutely help in coverage, but is throwing $100 million at a couple of guys in their thirties going to fix the turnover issue that saw New York finish dead last in the NFL in takeaways last season and 31st  overall in 2013? It’s a little weird looking at those numbers since Rex was the head coach, but he certainly didn’t have the secondary nor the pass-rushers on those teams that Buffalo currently has.

While this Jets’ defense will be tough, it’s still going to struggle getting pressure off the edge and generating sacks. Last year the unit recorded 45 sacks and was paced by DT Sheldon Richardson with eight, followed by OLB Quinton Coples with 6.5, DT Muhammad Wilkerson with six, and OLB David Harris who finished with 5.5. That compares to Buffalo’s group that was led by DE Mario Williams with 15, followed by DE/OLB Jerry Hughes with 10, DT Marcel Dareus with nine and Kyle Williams who pitched in five on the way to an NFL-leading 54 total team sacks.

Additionally, Buffalo’s defense should be more aggressive under Rex Ryan this year as he likes to get after the opposing quarterback using the blitz. In 2014 under Jim Schwartz, the Bills typically only sent four players to the quarterback and still produced. New York’s defensive line may be great at stopping the run as they have a superior PFF grade, but the disparity of pass-rushing ability is too wide to ignore.

Beyond turnovers and sacks, Mr. Farrar had this to say about the defensive comparison:

“And from the linebackers back, Rex’s replacement Todd Bowles (a pretty fair defensive mind himself) has it all over the Bills. Bowles might have the league’s most complete secondary at his disposal with Darrelle Revis and Antonio Cromartie as the starting cornerbacks, Buster Skrine in the nickel (moving around to different roles as Bowles did with Tyrann Mathieu in Arizona), and Calvin Pryor and Marcus Gilchrist as the safeties.”

It’s hard to argue against the duo of Revis and Cromartie even if they have aged since their last tenure in New York. Still, Buffalo’s secondary puts up a great fight, as Stephon Gilmore is a budding star with three interceptions last year and Corey Graham actually had the NFL’s 8th best overall PFF grade for cornerbacks in 2014. Leodis Mckelvin will be looking to bounce back from a down year that saw him only play 551 snaps, even though he graded-out very similarly to Cro overall.

 

Safety Aaron Williams looking to bounce back in 2015 (AP/ Phelan M. Ebenhack)

 

The safety position seems to be a tossup, as both groups are fairly unproven but not without talent. If he stays healthy, the recently-acquired Marcus Gilchrist could provide a big boost and be a major contributor for New York. Duke Williams enters this season as the Bills’ potential replacement for the departed Searcy, with Graham expected to receive plenty of snaps there as well. Revis pushes the Jets secondary over the top for now, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see the tables turned midway through the 2015 season.

When comparing each team’s linebacker’s corps, there’s more to see than what is on the surface. For starters, with the 3-4 defensive scheme back in Buffalo, Jerry Hughes and Mario Williams could technically be considered outside linebackers. Because that’s not what they played in 2014, we’ll just keep it simple by comparing these unit’s core backers.

Both Quinton Coples and Calvin Pace have been known to lay the lumber and are proven veterans for the Jets. Their recent performances have slipped however, as New York’s starting 3-4 outside linebackers both received negative PFF marks last year. They finishing ranked 39th and 40th overall out of 46 players in the 3-4 defense with the major struggles coming in pass coverage.

ILB Damario Davis was the bright spot of the group as he finished with great marks against the run and a 15th overall ranking in the 3-4 while David Harris, who was actually courted by Rex this off season, had a decent performance as well. In contrast and obviously being graded in a different 4-3 scheme, Buffalo’s linebackers compared favorably.

 

LB Nigel Bradham (#53) up ends QB Michael Vick (#1)

 

Third-year starter Nigel Bradham and rookie Preston Brown both finished with an overall top-15 PFF grade out of 40 players in 2014. Bradham played solid in pass coverage but really excelled against the run while Brown was the opposite, great in coverage but more pedestrian versus the run. It’ll be interesting to see how both adjust to Rex’s blitz-heavy approach as Bradham flourished in the rush with the rookie Brown actually receiving a negative mark in that category for last season.

Lastly, behind every great defense is a good coach. Although Rex Ryan and Todd Bowles are the head honchos for each organization and not specifically defensive coordinators, it’s no secret where their passion lies. For Rex, who is widely considered one of the top defensive minds in the NFL, he probably inherits the most talented all-around defense he’s had as a head coach, if not ever with this Bills team.

They have a rising secondary, young and exciting athletes at linebacker and an elite defensive line. Rex’s unpredictable and aggressive approach to “taking away the opponent’s strengths” should be exciting to watch with this group. If he can figure out a way to hold opponents under 100 rushing yards per game despite the departure of run-stuffing ILB Brandon Spikes, watch out for this defense.

On the other side, Todd Bowles walks into a similar situation with a couple of studs on the line, an elite Revis and plenty of other talent on defense. The former NFL safety has found success both on the field and on the sidelines in his career, and will be expected to turn in similar results as he did in previous stops with the Philadelphia Eagles and Arizona Cardinals.

Named interim head coach of the Eagles five games into the 2012 season, Bowles coached that defense to a ninth overall ranking in pass coverage while finishing twenty-third against the run. As defensive coordinator for Arizona in 2013, Bowles ran a top-notch unit that finished ranked 1st in rushing YDS/G, 14th in passing YDS/G and 7th in points allowed per game. In 2014, injuries put a dent in those totals, as that Cardinals defense ranked 29th in passing YDS/G, 13th in rushing YDS/G, but still finished ranked 5th in points allowed per game. Both years they finished with 25 takeaways, tied for 13th overall in the NFL.

Clearly both men are good at what they do, but the advantage leans towards the boys in blue. Not only does Buffalo have a more productive unit, but they only lost one starter from last season and gained an invaluable defensive mind in Rex Ryan. Throw in the Jets’ inability to get pressure and force turnovers with the Bills knack for doing so and the choice is simple.

New York has undoubtedly greatly improved this offseason, but I’ll go with the team that is reaching for a higher goal; to be the best defense ever.

 

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[T0mShane]

AFC East's Best Defense Buffalo Bills vs. New York Jets

|This off season, three teams in the AFC East have made big strides towards dethroning the reigning division champion New England Patriots. From the 2015 NFL Draft to free agency, the Buffalo Bills, Miami Dolphins and New York Jets all have improved rosters and people are taking notice.

Aside from the offensive playmakers that are suddenly in the division, guys like DT Ndamukong Suh, DT Leonard Williams and DE/LB Jerry Hughes being added to or staying in the AFC East have bolstered everyone’s defense. Buffalo had the best unit of the bunch last season, but debates have already begun in forums and social media pages over which team will have the better squad in 2015. Now, Sports Illustrated has weighed in.

Last week, SI.com’s Doug Farrar discussed who will have the better defense this season in a post called “toss-ups”, where he tries to pick just one between the Buffalo Bills and the NY Jets. Needless to say, we wouldn’t be talking about this further if he crowned the Bills. Instead, Farrar takes the Jets’ unit, led by first-year head coach Todd Bowles, who recently won the 2014 AP Assistant Coach of the Year Award as defensive coordinator of the Arizona Cardinals.

There’s no doubt the Jets have gotten better on the defensive side of the ball since the end of last season (at least personnel-wise), but let’s take a closer look to see if Rex Ryan’s old team can supplant his new squad in 2015.

Buffalo Bills vs. NY Jets 2014 Defensive Rankings (Leader Italicized)

Total Yards/G: 312.2 (4th) vs. 327 (6th)

Passing Yards/G: 205.8 (3rd) vs. 234 (14th)

Rushing Yards/G: 106.4 (11th) vs. 95 (5th)

Points/G: 18.1 (4TH) vs. 25 (24th)

Takeaways/G: 1.8 (3rd) vs. 0.8 (32nd)

NY Jets Key Defensive Additions

CB Darrelle Revis (FA)

CB Antonio Cromartie (FA)

DB Buster Skrine (FA)

S Marcus Gilchrist (FA)

DL Leonard Williams (1st round)

OLB Lorenzo Mauldin (3rd round)

No major personnel losses

Buffalo Bills Key Defensive Additions

CB Ronald Darby (2nd round)

DE Jerry Hughes (FA)

Key Losses

S Da’Norris Searcy (FA)

ILB Brandon Spikes (FA)

Looking over those numbers the Jets’ D has a lot of room to improve in just one season. Even with those lackluster rankings, it’s encouraging to see a Rex Ryan-coached defense continually play well against the run, as Buffalo actually showed some weakness in that category toward the end of last year. Besides rushing yards per game though, the Bills were better in all categories, including points allowed by a full touchdown.

Darrelle Revis makes his return to the Big Apple (Paul J. Bereswill)

The signing of cornerbacks Darrelle Revis and Antonio Cromartie will absolutely help in coverage, but is throwing $100 million at a couple of guys in their thirties going to fix the turnover issue that saw New York finish dead last in the NFL in takeaways last season and 31st overall in 2013? It’s a little weird looking at those numbers since Rex was the head coach, but he certainly didn’t have the secondary nor the pass-rushers on those teams that Buffalo currently has.

While this Jets’ defense will be tough, it’s still going to struggle getting pressure off the edge and generating sacks. Last year the unit recorded 45 sacks and was paced by DT Sheldon Richardson with eight, followed by OLB Quinton Coples with 6.5, DT Muhammad Wilkerson with six, and OLB David Harris who finished with 5.5. That compares to Buffalo’s group that was led by DE Mario Williams with 15, followed by DE/OLB Jerry Hughes with 10, DT Marcel Dareus with nine and Kyle Williams who pitched in five on the way to an NFL-leading 54 total team sacks.

Additionally, Buffalo’s defense should be more aggressive under Rex Ryan this year as he likes to get after the opposing quarterback using the blitz. In 2014 under Jim Schwartz, the Bills typically only sent four players to the quarterback and still produced. New York’s defensive line may be great at stopping the run as they have a superior PFF grade, but the disparity of pass-rushing ability is too wide to ignore.

Beyond turnovers and sacks, Mr. Farrar had this to say about the defensive comparison:

It’s hard to argue against the duo of Revis and Cromartie even if they have aged since their last tenure in New York. Still, Buffalo’s secondary puts up a great fight, as Stephon Gilmore is a budding star with three interceptions last year and Corey Graham actually had the NFL’s 8th best overall PFF grade for cornerbacks in 2014. Leodis Mckelvin will be looking to bounce back from a down year that saw him only play 551 snaps, even though he graded-out very similarly to Cro overall.

Safety Aaron Williams looking to bounce back in 2015 (AP/ Phelan M. Ebenhack)

The safety position seems to be a tossup, as both groups are fairly unproven but not without talent. If he stays healthy, the recently-acquired Marcus Gilchrist could provide a big boost and be a major contributor for New York. Duke Williams enters this season as the Bills’ potential replacement for the departed Searcy, with Graham expected to receive plenty of snaps there as well. Revis pushes the Jets secondary over the top for now, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see the tables turned midway through the 2015 season.

When comparing each team’s linebacker’s corps, there’s more to see than what is on the surface. For starters, with the 3-4 defensive scheme back in Buffalo, Jerry Hughes and Mario Williams could technically be considered outside linebackers. Because that’s not what they played in 2014, we’ll just keep it simple by comparing these unit’s core backers.

Both Quinton Coples and Calvin Pace have been known to lay the lumber and are proven veterans for the Jets. Their recent performances have slipped however, as New York’s starting 3-4 outside linebackers both received negative PFF marks last year. They finishing ranked 39th and 40th overall out of 46 players in the 3-4 defense with the major struggles coming in pass coverage.

ILB Damario Davis was the bright spot of the group as he finished with great marks against the run and a 15th overall ranking in the 3-4 while David Harris, who was actually courted by Rex this off season, had a decent performance as well. In contrast and obviously being graded in a different 4-3 scheme, Buffalo’s linebackers compared favorably.

LB Nigel Bradham (#53) up ends QB Michael Vick (#1)

Third-year starter Nigel Bradham and rookie Preston Brown both finished with an overall top-15 PFF grade out of 40 players in 2014. Bradham played solid in pass coverage but really excelled against the run while Brown was the opposite, great in coverage but more pedestrian versus the run. It’ll be interesting to see how both adjust to Rex’s blitz-heavy approach as Bradham flourished in the rush with the rookie Brown actually receiving a negative mark in that category for last season.

Lastly, behind every great defense is a good coach. Although Rex Ryan and Todd Bowles are the head honchos for each organization and not specifically defensive coordinators, it’s no secret where their passion lies. For Rex, who is widely considered one of the top defensive minds in the NFL, he probably inherits the most talented all-around defense he’s had as a head coach, if not ever with this Bills team.

They have a rising secondary, young and exciting athletes at linebacker and an elite defensive line. Rex’s unpredictable and aggressive approach to “taking away the opponent’s strengths” should be exciting to watch with this group. If he can figure out a way to hold opponents under 100 rushing yards per game despite the departure of run-stuffing ILB Brandon Spikes, watch out for this defense.

On the other side, Todd Bowles walks into a similar situation with a couple of studs on the line, an elite Revis and plenty of other talent on defense. The former NFL safety has found success both on the field and on the sidelines in his career, and will be expected to turn in similar results as he did in previous stops with the Philadelphia Eagles and Arizona Cardinals.

Named interim head coach of the Eagles five games into the 2012 season, Bowles coached that defense to a ninth overall ranking in pass coverage while finishing twenty-third against the run. As defensive coordinator for Arizona in 2013, Bowles ran a top-notch unit that finished ranked 1st in rushing YDS/G, 14th in passing YDS/G and 7th in points allowed per game. In 2014, injuries put a dent in those totals, as that Cardinals defense ranked 29th in passing YDS/G, 13th in rushing YDS/G, but still finished ranked 5th in points allowed per game. Both years they finished with 25 takeaways, tied for 13th overall in the NFL.

Clearly both men are good at what they do, but the advantage leans towards the boys in blue. Not only does Buffalo have a more productive unit, but they only lost one starter from last season and gained an invaluable defensive mind in Rex Ryan. Throw in the Jets’ inability to get pressure and force turnovers with the Bills knack for doing so and the choice is simple.

New York has undoubtedly greatly improved this offseason, but I’ll go with the team that is reaching for a higher goal; to be the best defense ever.

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[jeaniec]

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This is all I could find -  

Paul Banach 

Owner and Editor of NYSportsBiz.com

[jeaniec]

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This is all I could find Tom

 

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Owner and Editor of NYSportsBiz.com

 

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[rkw522]

Haha didn't think the article would cause such a great debate. Glad I could help. I wrote the first article not the missing frontal lobe one

[keysersoze]

Let's wait 4 or 5 years then ask. No one has a ******* clue how Bowles is going to do as a HC. We do this every time we get a new coach, QB, GM, whatever. It's ******* ridiculous.

Why don't you whine more you little bitch.

[BP]

Why don't you whine more you little bitch.

That's not very nice

[New York Mick]

Why don't you whine more you little bitch.

We're Jet fans, that's what we do.

[slats]

The signing of cornerbacks Darrelle Revis and Antonio Cromartie will absolutely help in coverage, but is throwing $100 million at a couple of guys in their thirties going to fix the turnover issue that saw New York finish dead last in the NFL in takeaways last season and 31st overall in 2013? It’s a little weird looking at those numbers since Rex was the head coach, but he certainly didn’t have the secondary nor the pass-rushers on those teams that Buffalo currently has.

Unfortunately, it's not weird. My biggest complaint about Rex as a defensive coach would be that he doesn't emphasize takeaways nearly enough. Look for the Bills rushing defense to improve, but those impressive takeaway numbers to erode over time.

[jeaniec]

Unfortunately, it's not weird. My biggest complaint about Rex as a defensive coach would be that he doesn't emphasize takeaways nearly enough. Look for the Bills rushing defense to improve, but those impressive takeaway numbers to erode over time.

Rex has a totally different set of circumstances here in Buffalo.  We will continue to rise IMO.  We'll make the playoffs this year.  If we get a seasoned QB next year,  I say we will be SB contenders.  

[T0mShane]

Rex has a totally different set of circumstances here in Buffalo. We will continue to rise IMO. We'll make the playoffs this year. If we get a seasoned QB next year, I say we will be SB contenders.

You're already $11 mil over the 2016 cap and you still have to sign Dareus. No QB in his right mind is coming to Buffalo on the cheap to play for Rex and Roman. Accept your fate.

[Jet Nut]

It's a tough call. You say that the Jets have a totally new defense. Well, the Bills have a totally new offense. In addition, Rex knows the Jets' players weaknesses and strengths and so do the former Jets' players that are now with the Buffalo Bills. It's going to be pretty tough for Todd Bowles to put a game plan together when there won't be any tapes on the Bills new offensive line plays(Greg Romans' plays are new to our team). Bowles won't be as familiar with the Bills' plays or players. I say Rex has the advantage here.

The Jets have a totally new offense and defense. As do the Bills. We do know Rex's tendencies but so does every team, there are no surprises to what Rex wants and will do with his D. There's less known about Bowles. He was a DC but did he do all he wanted to do in AZ? Who knows at this point. Rex has no special insight to the Jet roster. There's so much tape and scouting of players that he doesn't know anything that would help a game plan. Doesn't know anything about Revis that anyone else know.

The last thing Bowles will have to worry about is the Bills offense. I'll tell you right now what they will do. Run, run, run. Pass only when you have to and run some more.

[jeaniec]

You're already $11 mil over the 2016 cap and you still have to sign Dareus. No QB in his right mind is coming to Buffalo on the cheap to play for Rex and Roman. Accept your fate.

Whaley is pretty creative.  I'm not worried.

[Jet Nut]

Rex has a totally different set of circumstances here in Buffalo.  We will continue to rise IMO.  We'll make the playoffs this year.  If we get a seasoned QB next year,  I say we will be SB contenders.

Tra, la, la, Rex is the bestest. Tra, la, la!!!!!!!

Nothing on Rex's resume has ever said he and his teams will continue to get better with time.

Love the optimism of getting a seasoned QB who can get a team to a SB will just magically come to Buffalo.

[jeaniec]

 

The last thing Bowles will have to worry about is the Bills offense. I'll tell you right now what they will do. Run, run, run. Pass only when you have to and run some more.

No doubt we will run the ball and probably a good percentage of the time.  However,  we didn't sign Percy Harvin to look pretty out there.  We'll be passing to Harvin and Watkins.  If you truly are not worried about our offense,  you may want to take a better look during regular season.

[jeaniec]

Tra, la, la, Rex is the bestest. Tra, la, la!!!!!!!

Nothing on Rex's resume has ever said he and his teams will continue to get better with time.

Love the optimism of getting a seasoned QB who can get a team to a SB will just magically come to Buffalo.

Say what you want about Rex,  players want to play for him.

[jorge o8]

Rex has a totally different set of circumstances here in Buffalo.  We will continue to rise IMO.  We'll make the playoffs this year.  If we get a seasoned QB next year,  I say we will be SB contenders.

hahaha,wait you are not joking we are in the same spot if the jets get a "seasoned QB" we would be in the SB the only problem I see is which QB?? I cant think of one. the coaches is what is going to come down to and lets not forget the pats are still not a bad team

[jeaniec]

hahaha,wait you are not joking we are in the same spot if the jets get a "seasoned QB" we would be in the SB the only problem I see is which QB?? I cant think of one. the coaches is what is going to come down to and lets not forget the pats are still not a bad team

hahahah!!!!!   I said "if" and if not,  you'll see us in the playoffs,  if not the AFCC

[slats]

Rex has a totally different set of circumstances here in Buffalo.  We will continue to rise IMO.  We'll make the playoffs this year.  If we get a seasoned QB next year,  I say we will be SB contenders.

Totally different set of circumstances? His circumstances couldn't be more similar. His best Jets teams were strong on defense and lacked a QB. The QB situation never worked itself out over six years here, and the competition going on in Buffalo actually looks worse than anything he had to deal with on the Jets.

I like Rex, and I like your optimism, but I thought Buffalo was a terrible fit for him. Rex needed to go to a team with something of an offense in place that needed some help on the defense. I'd've loved to've seen what he might've done in Atlanta. Depending on the job your GM does, and the control he has, I'd say you're in for a repeat of what he did with the Jets. The circumstances are identical.

[jeaniec]

Totally different set of circumstances? His circumstances couldn't be more similar. His best Jets teams were strong on defense and lacked a QB. The QB situation never worked itself out over six years here, and the competition going on in Buffalo actually looks worse than anything he had to deal with on the Jets.

I like Rex, and I like your optimism, but I thought Buffalo was a terrible fit for him. Rex needed to go to a team with something of an offense in place that needed some help on the defense. I'd've loved to've seen what he might've done in Atlanta. Depending on the job your GM does, and the control he has, I'd say you're in for a repeat of what he did with the Jets. The circumstances are identical.

Slats:  The big difference here is that Rex and our GM work very well together.  Whaley is outstanding.  I can assure you,  if Whaley has any question at all about signing a player,  it will be answered to his satisfaction or the player will not be signed.   Whaley is pretty tough but again,  he and Rex get along very well.   Rex Ryan's performance (at least for the last 2 years with the Jets) is a perfect example of what happens to teams when there is chaos among the HC,  GM and owner.  That's not the case here.  As far as the QB situation,  we haven't had an outstanding QB since  Flutie.  There are many teams in the league that are in our situation.   I disagree that Rex is not a good fit for Buffalo. I think he's a perfect fit. We have outstanding leadership in our offensive line with Greg Roman and Aaron Kromer. Rex will let these guys do  their jobs.   Of course,  Rex has the defense expertise and Thurman is no slouch either. There has been a lot of positive feedback from players about the help (learning experience) they are getting from our coaching staff;  especially Greg Roman.  Bills' fans also love Rex.  He's happy to be here and we're happy to have him.

[T0mShane]

o/u Doug Whaley gets fired: 18 months

[slats]

Slats:  The big difference here is that Rex and our GM work very well together.  Whaley is outstanding.  I can assure you,  if Whaley has any question at all about signing a player,  it will be answered to his satisfaction or the player will not be signed.   Whaley is pretty tough but again,  he and Rex get along very well.   Rex Ryan's performance (at least for the last 2 years with the Jets) is a perfect example of what happens to teams when there is chaos among the HC,  GM and owner.  That's not the case here.  As far as the QB situation,  we haven't had an outstanding QB since  Flutie.  There are many teams in the league that are in our situation.   I disagree that Rex is not a good fit for Buffalo. I think he's a perfect fit. We have outstanding leadership in our offensive line with Greg Roman and Aaron Kromer. Rex will let these guys do  their jobs.   Of course,  Rex has the defense expertise and Thurman is no slouch either. There has been a lot of positive feedback from players about the help (learning experience) they are getting from our coaching staff;  especially Greg Roman.  Bills' fans also love Rex.  He's happy to be here and we're happy to have him.

Rex and Tannenbaum were on the same page for four years, and went from two AFCCGs to 6-10 in that time, never getting the offense straight in that time. Idzik was a complete disaster, but the issues on the team existed before his arrival - that's why Tannenbaum was fired in the first place.

[jeaniec]

o/u Doug Whaley gets fired: 18 months

No Way!!!!!!

[T0mShane]

Idzik was a complete disaster, but the issues on the team existed before his arrival - that's why Tannenbaum was fired in the first place.

LE WÓRM SE TÜRNED

[jeaniec]

Rex and Tannenbaum were on the same page for four years, and went from two AFCCGs to 6-10 in that time, never getting the offense straight in that time. Idzik was a complete disaster, but the issues on the team existed before his arrival - that's why Tannenbaum was fired in the first place.

I'd say our offense is headed in the right direction with Offensive Coaches/Coordinators Greg Roman,  Aaron Kromer and the signing of Incognito, Clay, Harvin, Felton, McCoy and we also have Watkins.   We have the all the ammunition we need amongst the front office, coaching staff and players on offense.  Not sure why there is so much criticism about our offense. 

[T0mShane]

I'd say our offense is headed in the right direction with Offensive Coaches/Coordinators Greg Roman, Aaron Kromer and the signing of Incognito, Clay, Harvin, Felton, McCoy and we also have Watkins. We have the all the ammunition we need amongst the front office, coaching staff and players on offense. Not sure why there is so much criticism about our offense.

You do realize that Aaron Kromer and Greg Roman were forcibly ejected from their last places of employment, yes?

[jeaniec]

You do realize that Aaron Kromer and Greg Roman were forcibly ejected from their last places of employment, yes?

Aaron Kromer also had  the 2nd best offense in the NFL back in 2013 and developed 3-5 pro bowl players.  I'll take him.   What happened to Roman,  happens to many coaches in his position.  New HC's bring their own staff in.  Roman would have come here regardless.   He has a great relationship with Rex.  He also hit it off with the Pegulas right from the get go.  He  wanted to be back East  which was a good incentive but not a major decision for his move.

[Charlie Brown]

Slats: The big difference here is that Rex and our GM work very well together. Whaley is outstanding. I can assure you, if Whaley has any question at all about signing a player, it will be answered to his satisfaction or the player will not be signed. Whaley is pretty tough but again, he and Rex get along very well. Rex Ryan's performance (at least for the last 2 years with the Jets) is a perfect example of what happens to teams when there is chaos among the HC, GM and owner. That's not the case here. As far as the QB situation, we haven't had an outstanding QB since Flutie. There are many teams in the league that are in our situation. I disagree that Rex is not a good fit for Buffalo. I think he's a perfect fit. We have outstanding leadership in our offensive line with Greg Roman and Aaron Kromer. Rex will let these guys do their jobs. Of course, Rex has the defense expertise and Thurman is no slouch either. There has been a lot of positive feedback from players about the help (learning experience) they are getting from our coaching staff; especially Greg Roman. Bills' fans also love Rex. He's happy to be here and we're happy to have him.

Hey you know I am not busting on you.

But if your GM is so good and independent why Connor and Hunter?

[jeaniec]

Hey you know I am not busting on you.

But if your GM is so good and independent why Connor and Hunter?

 I'll be surprised if Hunter is with us at the start of opening season. I think he's here to help in some way with training.   I think there's potential with Connor.

[Jolot]

I'll be surprised if Hunter is with us at the start of opening season. I think he's here to help in some way with training. I think there's potential with Connor.

Nothing screams potential like a 6th year fullback who's been cut 5 times.

[Jolot]

Incognito......huge potential there.

[Charlie Brown]

I'll be surprised if Hunter is with us at the start of opening season. I think he's here to help in some way with training. I think there's potential with Connor.

I don't want to discourage you.

You know how I feel about Buffalo.

I just believe that there is a reason that a team like the Jets who are having a problem with their OL and a new offense and who know both of those players best had absolutely no desire to bring those two guys in.

You should ask yourself why?

People who act like players are just camp fodder don't understand today's NFL and the need to have every player be a player who can come in and contribute something.

The Jets days of carrying guys who shouldn't have been on an NFL roster I hope to good heavens are over but if your GM can't stop this now you can bet it will accelerate and get worse over time.

[jeaniec]

I don't want to discourage you.

You know how I feel about Buffalo.

I just believe that there is a reason that a team like the Jets who are having a problem with their OL and a new offense and who know both of those players best had absolutely no desire to bring those two guys in.

You should ask yourself why?

People who act like players are just camp fodder don't understand today's NFL and the need to have every player be a player who can come in and contribute something.

The Jets days of carrying guys who shouldn't have been on an NFL roster I hope to good heavens are over but if your GM can't stop this now you can bet it will accelerate and get worse over time.

Charlie:  In all honesty,  I am still smh about Hunter.  I don'\t understand this one and can only hope that Rex is not doing one of his friends (Hunter) a favor here. I dont think Hunter will be around opening season.    In terms of Conner,  I think there's room for development.  In terms of your team not bringing these 2 guys in,  it could have been a matter of your new HC having his  own players in mind or may have seen better opportunities.  Remember,  we gave up Kiko Alonso.

[jeaniec]

Nothing screams potential like a 6th year fullback who's been cut 5 times.

Yes but before each of those cuts,  he was signed by coaches or GM's that saw potential.  

[Jolot]

Yes but before each of those cuts, he was signed by coaches or GM's that saw potential.

Completely agree, as a Mets fan i find myself extremely excited about the potential of John Mayberry Jr.