AFJF Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/28/stephen-a-smith-hears-doesnt-know-tom-brady-destroyed-his-phone/ ESPN’s Stephen A. Smith craves attention, so I always hesitate before writing about his outlandish claims. I hesitated before I wrote that Smith hinted Chip Kelly was racist, and I hesitated before writing about Smith’s comments on today’s episode of ESPN First Take. But ignoring Smith won’t make him go away, so let’s just deal head on with it. Smith claimed today that he has a source telling him that the NFL is likely to uphold Tom Brady’s four-game suspension, and that Brady destroyed his cell phone to hide text messages to the Patriots’ ball boys. “I’m hearing that Tom Brady actually destroyed his cell phone,” Smith said on the air. Smith later clarified that he was just “hearing” that Brady destroyed his phone, and can’t confirm that for certain. “I don’t know,” Smith added. Regarding the first part of Smith’s report, that the NFL is “likely” to uphold Brady’s suspension, that comes across as little more than a guess. NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell either will or won’t uphold Brady’s suspension, and claiming that he’s “likely” to go either way at this point doesn’t mean much. It especially doesn’t mean much coming from someone like Smith, who has no history of scoops coming out of the league office. If ESPN’s respected veteran NFL reporters say they’re “hearing” what Goodell is “likely” to do, we can reasonably surmise that they’re “hearing” it from well-placed sources within the league office. Even if such a report turned out to be wrong, if it came from a respected reporter it was probably based on contact with sources who are in a position to know what they’re talking about. When it comes from Smith, it doesn’t mean anything. The part about Brady destroying his cell phone — the part that Smith acknowledges he doesn’t “know” — just sounds silly. Brady has already refused to hand over his phone to the Ted Wells investigation. It’s not like Wells has the power to send the cops into Brady’s house to execute a search warrant and seize his phone. Why would Brady need to destroy it? And even if Brady did destroy his physical phone, that wouldn’t make the records of any texts or calls to the Patriots’ ball boys disappear. The “report” doesn’t make a lot of sense, and if the “reporter” “hears” something like that, he needs to express more skepticism and ask his “source” to clarify where this “information” is coming from. But that’s not how Smith operates. If he “hears” something that will get us all talking, he’ll repeat it on the air. And now we’re talking about Stephen A. Smith. Mission accomplished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCEastFan Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Now we know which ESPN talking head Troy Vincent least respects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 I think Goodell give him him back at least one game just for saving HIM the trouble of destroying the phone. Busy man the commissioner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Love Stephen A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 The story falls apart with a little thought. Text messages are sent and received. If you have the device from either end of the transaction, you have the texts. It would be like destroying your computer to "get rid" of emails. Now if Brady encouraged the ball boys to also destroy their phones, that's a story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Love Stephen A. This is the least surprising thing ever posted here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 This is stupid and makes no sense. It doesn't matter if he destroyed his cell phone because everyone's messages get backed up now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 I hope this is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Translation - somebody told him they saw Giselle at the Apple store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolot Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 This is stupid and makes no sense. It doesn't matter if he destroyed his cell phone because everyone's messages get backed up now. I think the Boston Herald covered this in the " patriots are smarter than the Internet" piece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljr Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Love Stephen A. + 1 ..... Oops, I read that wrong ... Thought it said you loved taking a messy $h*t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 This is the least surprising thing ever posted here. I need to maintain my consistency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 + 1 ..... Oops, I read that wrong ... Thought it said you loved taking a messy $h*t Nope. I said I love Stephen A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Didn't they already have the locker room attendants' phones? If Brady was trying to hide anything, it would be phone calls and texts to Belichick and Kraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleSlugger25 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 This is stupid and makes no sense. It doesn't matter if he destroyed his cell phone because everyone's messages get backed up now. Well, the ball boys have zero obligation to turn over their phones as they aren't the ones fighting a suspension. If they say no, there isn't anything the NFL could do to force them to turn over their phones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 The story falls apart with a little thought. Text messages are sent and received. If you have the device from either end of the transaction, you have the texts. It would be like destroying your computer to "get rid" of emails. Now if Brady encouraged the ball boys to also destroy their phones, that's a story. This is not unlikely to be the case. Why wouldn't they have destroyed their phones too The balls boys are clearly being quiet and were almost certainly paid off. Destroying their phones would be a part of the pay-off package. Even still the data is on a server somewhere... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 The story falls apart with a little thought. Text messages are sent and received. If you have the device from either end of the transaction, you have the texts. It would be like destroying your computer to "get rid" of emails. Now if Brady encouraged the ball boys to also destroy their phones, that's a story. I agree, however, you'd be shocked at how unaware of a digital footprint and how mobile phones work the Patriot fans are up here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Didn't they already have the locker room attendants' phones? If Brady was trying to hide anything, it would be phone calls and texts to Belichick and Kraft. This. They aren't looking for the other half of the conversation with the "Deflatrioter" guys. They are looking for how far up into the organization it goes, and that's why Brady didn't cooperate. He's falling on the sword for the guys that made him more than he ever was going to be on his own merits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Well, the ball boys have zero obligation to turn over their phones as they aren't the ones fighting a suspension. If they say no, there isn't anything the NFL could do to force them to turn over their phones. This has nothing to do with who receives the messages. It doesn't matter if Brady destroyed the physical device because in all likelihood his messages are backed up to his computer or cloud. This is why when you get a new phone, you start it up and all of your old messages and notes magically appear right on your new phone. Destroying the device isn't an excuse for not being able to turn over messages, and if Goodell thinks it is then he is legit dumber than I originally thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drums Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 The story falls apart with a little thought. Text messages are sent and received. If you have the device from either end of the transaction, you have the texts. It would be like destroying your computer to "get rid" of emails. Now if Brady encouraged the ball boys to also destroy their phones, that's a story. Yeah what is this, f*cking Zoolander? Although... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 This. They aren't looking for the other half of the conversation with the "Deflatrioter" guys. They are looking for how far up into the organization it goes, and that's why Brady didn't cooperate. He's falling on the sword for the guys that made him more than he ever was going to be on his own merits. If this is true it will never go to suit. He will roll over and it will all get buried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYs Stepchild Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 This is stupid and makes no sense. It doesn't matter if he destroyed his cell phone because everyone's messages get backed up now. I doubt the NFL is going to receive a court order to get that data which would not be easy to retrieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Simply at a loss how you come off 4 games after Brady adamantly refused to cooperate with the NFL's chosen and respected investigator. If basically he instead said he didn't realize it was a big deal after the rules he lobbied for gave him access to the footballs pregame, he probably gets no more than a fine and a warning. And if the NFL comes off 4 games, then we're in WWE territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYs Stepchild Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 This is stupid and makes no sense. It doesn't matter if he destroyed his cell phone because everyone's messages get backed up now. Deleted messages don't get backed up to the cloud. They are still in the servers, but you would need a court order to get the provider to turn those over, and it wouldn't be easy to do even then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Jets fan Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Just for some facts, Verizon only holds the messages in a text message for six days. If you want the information in a text you need to file a court order to hold the information until a subpoena can be issued. All other phone companys are around the same amount of time. After that time frame you can only retrive from the company that there was a text sent or received from a number. This information is only held a couple months. Now, if you are going to court the court can issue a subpoena for the physical phone and that can be downloaded and every text with full info and every pic, phone call, internet sites, everything the phone has been used for can be found even if it has been deleted. So there is your reason for destroying the phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Simply at a loss how you come off 4 games after Brady adamantly refused to cooperate with the NFL's chosen and respected investigator. If basically he instead said he didn't realize it was a big deal after the rules he lobbied for gave him access to the footballs pregame, he probably gets no more than a fine and a warning. And if the NFL comes off 4 games, then we're in WWE territory. Truth be told I would love to see someone coming in for a tackle and hit brady across the back with a metal folding chair. but thats just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Love Stephen A. So your the one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSfaninNE Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 This is stupid and makes no sense. It doesn't matter if he destroyed his cell phone because everyone's messages get backed up now. Not sure if this is totally true. I think it depends on who your carrier is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/28/stephen-a-smith-hears-doesnt-know-tom-brady-destroyed-his-phone/ ESPN’s Stephen A. Smith craves attention, so I always hesitate before writing about his outlandish claims. I hesitated before I wrote that Smith hinted Chip Kelly was racist, and I hesitated before writing about Smith’s comments on today’s episode of ESPN First Take. But ignoring Smith won’t make him go away, so let’s just deal head on with it. Smith claimed today that he has a source telling him that the NFL is likely to uphold Tom Brady’s four-game suspension, and that Brady destroyed his cell phone to hide text messages to the Patriots’ ball boys. “I’m hearing that Tom Brady actually destroyed his cell phone,” Smith said on the air. Smith later clarified that he was just “hearing” that Brady destroyed his phone, and can’t confirm that for certain. “I don’t know,” Smith added. Regarding the first part of Smith’s report, that the NFL is “likely” to uphold Brady’s suspension, that comes across as little more than a guess. NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell either will or won’t uphold Brady’s suspension, and claiming that he’s “likely” to go either way at this point doesn’t mean much. It especially doesn’t mean much coming from someone like Smith, who has no history of scoops coming out of the league office. If ESPN’s respected veteran NFL reporters say they’re “hearing” what Goodell is “likely” to do, we can reasonably surmise that they’re “hearing” it from well-placed sources within the league office. Even if such a report turned out to be wrong, if it came from a respected reporter it was probably based on contact with sources who are in a position to know what they’re talking about. When it comes from Smith, it doesn’t mean anything. The part about Brady destroying his cell phone — the part that Smith acknowledges he doesn’t “know” — just sounds silly. Brady has already refused to hand over his phone to the Ted Wells investigation. It’s not like Wells has the power to send the cops into Brady’s house to execute a search warrant and seize his phone. Why would Brady need to destroy it? And even if Brady did destroy his physical phone, that wouldn’t make the records of any texts or calls to the Patriots’ ball boys disappear. The “report” doesn’t make a lot of sense, and if the “reporter” “hears” something like that, he needs to express more skepticism and ask his “source” to clarify where this “information” is coming from. But that’s not how Smith operates. If he “hears” something that will get us all talking, he’ll repeat it on the air. And now we’re talking about Stephen A. Smith. Mission accomplished. this data is available under subpoena isnt JGB's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Not sure if this is totally true. I think it depends on who your carrier is. I'm assuming Brady uses an iPhone like a normal human being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebabyny Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Deleted messages don't get backed up to the cloud. They are still in the servers, but you would need a court order to get the provider to turn those over, and it wouldn't be easy to do even then. And I believe they are only kept there for a very short time, so the carriers can avoid having to deal with court orders. I would think the amount of time those are stored before deletion would be less than the 4 months between when the phone was destroyed and when they notified the investigators that the phone had been destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSfaninNE Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 I'm assuming Brady uses an iPhone like a normal human being. So 12% of the american population is normal human beings and decreasing? lol I'm guessing you must be an apple elitist It doesn't matter if its an iPHone though, its the carrier. Not all carriers actually store text data. Verizon does and will hand it over to a court order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Stephen A was right TWICE on this one. Holy Crap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 So 12% of the american population is normal human beings and decreasing? lol Far, far less. But if I don't see blue when I'm texting with someone, not only do I not wanna be their friend, but I don't ever wanna see their stupid face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Stephen A was right TWICE on this one. Holy Crap! A broken clock is also right TWICE every single day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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