Matt39 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 There is a culture shock taking place at the New York Jets training facility these days and it is something that the players seem to be taking to. Turns out that athletes in the NFL don't mind order and discipline and don't entirely want the inmates running the asylum. The Jets are closing in on their first training camp with head coach Todd Bowles, who took over for Rex Ryan, a head coach who was wildly popular with much of the fanbase despite four rough years without the postseason. Bowles comes in with a good resume that includes being an interim head coach where he went 3-1 with the Miami Dolphins and as a former player who won a Super Bowl. He's direct. Doesn't talk a whole lot. Keeps it real simple. Has a bit of an "at-home" way about him. But don't buy that he doesn't have a standard, he does. Since minicamp ended in June, Metro has polled a dozen current Jets players about Bowles to determine their thoughts on their new head coach. All players were with the Jets last year and all were promised anonymity so they could openly express their thoughts without seemingly taking shots at their old head coach. “He's tough, you can tell that. I've seen him in here at the crack of dawn working out in the gym. He's in here a couple days a week lifting, not just doing a walk on the treadmill or a few reps of bench press,” one defensive player said. “He spells everything out, in detail. What we're going to do today, where we go. How practice is going to be laid out. Todd wants you to commit it – to take it seriously. “In the past, practice seemed like something you went through. Something you just did. I'm not sure everyone took it seriously, players and the coaches. It is a lot more competitive this year. “He doesn't go over the top, it's not the horror stories you hear from guys around the league about some coaches. But he wants you to have attention at all times. Last year, I don't know, just seemed like guys weren't keyed-in from the beginning.” Interestingly enough, of the dozen players interviewed over the phone, not one will publicly slam former head coach Rex Ryan and his name is very rarely mentioned. Often, references to Ryan's style by these players are generic and vague but are clearly aimed at his style and his coaching staff. There is a clear distinction here now between the old ball coach and the new one. Another player, this one on offense, who has played with several other NFL teams was impressed with how Bowles spells things out clearly. "Last year, it seemed like practice, we didn't always know what was happening all the time," he said. "I've been around with other teams, but at times practice last year seemed disorganized (sic).” The players liked Ryan, but felt perhaps he was too friendly, too much of an outgoing personality. “I don't want to say that there wasn't a respect factor, but sometimes [Rex] seemed like one of us," another offensive player player said. "It was hard to take him seriously. Guys were late to meetings and stuff like that. We played hard for him, we loved him, but it was tough to separate him as a friend and a head coach. I've never had that before in high school or college.” Bowles is part disciplinarian, part former player. He has the clout to back up a no-nonsense approach that still comes across with a smile. And while Bowles may be the anti-Rex, so to is the Jets' new general manager. He's a departure from the man who sat in his desk as well. Mike Maccagnan has never been a general manager before and perhaps it shows a little bit. He, like his head coach, is quiet and a bit reserved publicly. But players have noted that he brings a quick sense of humor to the job. One player, primarily utilized on special teams, said that “He's the kind of guy you can be yourself with,” the implication perhaps that the departed John Idzik didn't resonate with the locker room. There is a sense that Maccagnan is “real, and supports you.” Another defensive player said last year that management “seemed distant, maybe it was the way the season went.” Whatever the reason for last year and now for this year, it is quickly becoming clear that the Jets have two new personalities atop the organization, with their own approaches and way of doing business. After four years without a winning record and far too long without a Super Bowl berth, perhaps the new look of the Jets will find that right balance. “It feels different around here, coming to work. Guys didn't want to be here last year,” one player said. “Maybe it was all the losing, maybe it was the negativity from the media. But guys wanted to leave quickly when the day was done. “We had these game tables in the middle of the locker room, kind of to encourage teamwork and bonding. You hardly saw them used. Now you feel that guys don't mind being here, that things, I don't, the bad clouds are gone. It's up to us to keep it that way though.” When asked if they had a choice to go back to last year's coaching staff and management team or move forward based on what they've seen of this year's team, nine of the dozen players endorsed the Bowles/Maccagnan duo. The other three players said it was too soon to tell but they all agreed the direction was good so far. “It was needed,” the first defensive player said. “I think we needed a new voice in here.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 #RexEffect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Automatic +6 wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolot Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Yea but I heard Rex was responsible for the organized practices, the disorganized ones were someone else's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Schroy Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Wow, the offense actually practiced. That's even more tragic considering the results on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 “In the past, practice seemed like something you went through. Something you just did. I'm not sure everyone took it seriously, players and the coaches. It is a lot more competitive this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFreak89 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 In the recent past, I have always hated how we continuously flip-flopped from one end of the disciplinarian to Clown/Player Friendly spectrum to the exact opposite (Parcells/Groh to Herm to Mangini to Rex). I feel like both Bowles and Macc are much more balanced which will hopefully bring much steadier, long-lasting results we are looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Traders! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 I don't want to say that there wasn't a respect factor, but sometimes [Rex] seemed like one of us," another offensive player player said. "It was hard to take him seriously. Guys were late to meetings and stuff like that. We played hard for him, we loved him, but it was tough to separate him as a friend and a head coach. I've never had that before in high school or college.” Don't let JIF see this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 So was it somehow organized during he back2back AFCG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 So was it somehow organized during he back2back AFCG? Mangini had a lasting impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 So no Bowles VS McCaggnan punt fielding contest this Training Camp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 You can't pull off a stache Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 So was it somehow organized during he back2back AFCG? In all seriousness...I have no doubt Rex gave his players more freedom that most coaches, but last season wouldn't be the best one to go by. He asked for DeSean Jackson and Darrelle Revis...his boss gave him TJ Graham and Dimitri Patterson...he knew he was done in NY. In no way does that mean he would have been justified in giving any less than 100% because I'm sure he was still picking up 100% of his paycheck, but some people do give less effort when they're being hung out to dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 In all seriousness...I have no doubt Rex gave his players more freedom that most coaches, but last season wouldn't be the best one to go by. He asked for DeSean Jackson and Darrelle Revis...his boss gave him TJ Graham and Dimitri Patterson...he knew he was done in NY. In no way does that mean he would have been justified in giving any less than 100% because I'm sure he was still picking up 100% of his paycheck, but some people do give less effort when they're being hung out to dry. Hahahahahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 So was it somehow organized during he back2back AFCG? Yes. Those 2 years there was a substantial amount of veteran leadership, and assistant coaches, that helped keep things professional. By year three, those players were cycled out, and those coaches were gone, and nothing was left but the King of all Buffoons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 In all seriousness...I have no doubt Rex gave his players more freedom that most coaches, but last season wouldn't be the best one to go by. He asked for DeSean Jackson and Darrelle Revis...his boss gave him TJ Graham and Dimitri Patterson...he knew he was done in NY. In no way does that mean he would have been justified in giving any less than 100% because I'm sure he was still picking up 100% of his paycheck, but some people do give less effort when they're being hung out to dry. Good lord. 3 years of debacle passed between the AFCC games and last year with Idzik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Good lord. 3 years of debacle passed between the AFCC games and last year with Idzik. You are correct. This is why I specifically said that last season would not be a good one to choose in gauging how things were run. Idzik had no interest in winning and it showed. I'd like to get the thoughts on how things went before the FO and CS weren't on the same page. I like Bowles a lot so far...really looking forward to the new season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 In all seriousness...I have no doubt Rex gave his players more freedom that most coaches, but last season wouldn't be the best one to go by. He asked for DeSean Jackson and Darrelle Revis...his boss gave him TJ Graham and Dimitri Patterson...he knew he was done in NY. In no way does that mean he would have been justified in giving any less than 100% because I'm sure he was still picking up 100% of his paycheck, but some people do give less effort when they're being hung out to dry. What does DeSean Jackson or Revis have with running an organized practice? Thats his job, regardless of who's there. Of who the GM. Or how well anyone else or isnt doing at his profession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 What does DeSean Jackson or Revis have with running an organized practice? Thats his job, regardless of who's there. Of who the GM. Or how well anyone else or isnt doing at his profession. So we agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Man, you know who's totes not obsessed with Rex like the rest of us losers? AFJF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Yes. Those 2 years there was a substantial amount of veteran leadership, and assistant coaches, that helped keep things professional. By year three, those players were cycled out, and those coaches were gone, and nothing was left but the King of all Buffoons. This is the key. Rex in year three had lost his needed safety net. One thing that Parcells was right about was that you can't coach the coaches. And over time Rex had to do that and was not capable of doing that. That is why he was let go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 This is the key. Rex in year three had lost his needed safety net. One thing that Parcells was right about was that you can't coach the coaches. And over time Rex had to do that and was not capable of doing that. That is why he was let go. I've always said it, Rex is a good choice for a team loaded with vets and has veteran leadership. With a roster like that the lack of accountability by Rex isnt as big an issue because vets know how to police and motivate themselves. They have a better handle on what they need to do. They're more motivate to get ready and to win, knowing its their legacy. As the vets were released and replaced the vets, the lack of accountability lead to an increasingly more undisciplined team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I've always said it, Rex is a good choice for a team loaded with vets and has veteran leadership. With a roster like that the lack of accountability by Rex isnt as big an issue because vets know how to police and motivate themselves. They have a better handle on what they need to do. They're more motivate to get ready and to win, knowing its their legacy. As the vets were released and replaced the vets, the lack of accountability lead to an increasingly more undisciplined team. What killed the Jets last year was a lack of talent especially the DB's.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsons Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Traders! what Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 So was it somehow organized during he back2back AFCG? Really reaching there friend. I hate anonymous Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Mangini had a lasting impact. The Boar-Hunter 3rd whipped everyone in shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Really reaching there friend. I hate anonymous Jets. Anonymous Jets = Amaro pissed he barely played last year because he was too lazy to learn the plays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 What killed the Jets last year was a lack of talent especially the DB's.. The roster sucked. Rex could have ran a Parris Island style boot camp they still would have sucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 What killed the Jets last year was a lack of talent especially the DB's.. Agree, last year there was a real lack of talent, specifically with the DB's. But again, there's no reason for camp to have been disorganized. Especially at this time the position wasn't as lacking as it would become later once the season was underway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 what You really took that seriously huh? lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 these multiple players who were in the locker room, some clearly for multiple seasons, lack credibility for some reason. I reject their first-person testimony and instead will defer to my remembrances of 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 these multiple players who were in the locker room, some clearly for multiple seasons, lack credibility for some reason. I reject their first-person testimony and instead will defer to my remembrances of 2009. They're all trying to force a trade to the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 They're all trying to force a trade to the Bills. I feel bad for them, stuck here, have to conspire en masse to escape to scenic Orchard Park, NY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I feel bad for them, stuck here, have to conspire en masse to escape to scenic Orchard Park, NY #superteam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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