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By my count, there are 28.5 players in camp who are essentially guaranteed a roster spot, whether on talent or draft equity (the .5 is Richardson, who won't count against the roster until week 5 at the earliest):

 

3 QBs (Geno, Fitz, & Petty)

2 RBs (Ivory & Powell)

4 WRs (Marshall, Decker, Smith, & Kerley)

1 TE (Amaro)

4 OL (Ferguson, Carpenter, Mangold, & Breno)

4 DL (Mo, Harrison, Richardson, & Williams)

4 LB (Coples, Davis, Harris, & Mauldin)

5 DB (Revis, Cro, Skrine, Gilchrist, & Pryor)

2 ST (Folk & Purdum) 

 

That leaves 25 roster spots open to be taken.  One will go to a punter - Quigley or Schum - leaving 24, one of which is a placeholder for Richardson.  How do you see them shaking out?

 

At QB, Heaps is obviously ticketed for the practice squad.

 

I think the Jets keep 2 more RBs out of the Richardson/Stacy/Ridley group, and I see Stacy as the likely odd man out among them.  Richardson is more versatile and if Ridley is healthy he's the best all around back.  But unless Ridley is still injured this is a competition that won't be decided until the final cut - and the Jets may decide to PUP Ridley and keep him on the roster that way in order to extend the decision time.

 

That leaves 22.  I don't see the Jets keeping a FB - there's just too much competition in other areas to justify keeping a specialist like Bohannon, and especially if Stacy or Saxton show they can do a decent job as a lead blocker.

 

At TE, Cumberland is as close to a lock as a non-lock can get, but he is a bit at risk - he's a relatively expensive not-great player who - like Amaro and Saxton - is more of a receiver than a blocker.  I think he sticks, and Saxton heads to the practice squad, but if Saxton explodes during the preseason and the Jets are worried about losing him, Cumberland could be out of a job.  As for Kellen Davis, I think he'll end up fighting for a spot as a blocking TE, and the real battle for him will be with Bohannon and whatever backup OL is the last cut along the OL; if either of those guys can work as a blocking TE, Davis will be cut.  Either way, there'll be at least one more TE, so drop the available spots to 21.

 

OL is probably the toughest to figure out.  Aboushi, Winters, Qvale and Colon are fighting for the starting RG job.  If Colon isn't the starter, you probably keep him on your bench as a guy who can fill in at RT or G in a pinch.  Same for Aboushi.  I have to wonder if this is the end of the road for Winters, and it wouldn't surprise me if Dakota Dozier was cut either; we've heard nothing about his development since he was drafted, and that's not a good sign for a project player, especially with a new regime drafting Jarvis Harrison to take the "project G with upside" role.  I don't know if the Jets feel like they need to keep at least one of Ijalana or Brewer to backup Ferguson, but I hope not; neither player is any good at all, and I'd rather they just use Aboushi as the backup LT since that's a better use of a roster spot than either of those two.  At center, it's basically Freeman or Winters as the backup.  I think the Jets keep 8-9 OL, with Aboushi, Qvale, and Freeman taking 3 of those slots.  That leaves Harrison, Winters, Ijalana, Brewer, and Colon fighting for the last 1-2 spots on the OL; Harrison may stick or not depending on whether they think they can sneak him to the PS.  Let's assume they don't and keep 9 OL; he'd be my bet for "guy who gets cut for Sheldon Richardson", since it will be easier to put him on the PS as a mid-season cut than as a TC cut.

 

That leaves 16 backup spots.  I'd assume 3 are on the DL, and they go to Douzable and Barnes, plus one of the veteran ends - Bowen, Talley, or Vickerson (this last guy is another good spot for the "Richardson cut"). 13 left.

 

At least 4 will be LBs, potentially 5.  I expect IK and Reilly to make the squad, and then it gets messy.  Henderson, Howsare, or Taiwan Jones as the backup ILB.  Do Babin and/or Pace make the squad?  I legitimately don't know.  Mays? Lattimore?  Just a huge amount of intrigue here.  Lets assume there are 8 spots left.

 

DB is another big one.  Between draft equity and potential, plus the fact that they are being used for depth rather than counted on as starters, I think it's pretty clear both Dex and Miliner make the team.  I think Allen and Miles are the only backup safeties kept; that leaves Jarrett - who is the epitome of a JAG - out.  Walls and Marcus Williams are fighting for the 6th CB spot, and I think Williams has the edge.

 

That leaves 3 spots, which brings us to WR.  I deliberately left WR for last because I wanted to see how much room was left.  I think given the above, it's realistic for the team to keep 6 WRs this year, especially with Smith on the shelf for camp, which means two available spots.  One, I think, belongs to Chris Owusu; he showed value as a WR and STer last year.  The last spot is a true toss up among a large, large group.  Pick one from Hakim, Evans, Enunwa, Rumph, Posey, Powell and Graham; Smith's injury may give Hakim (the best burner of the group) an edge.

 

That leaves one wildcard spot to be allocated to the best cut among the position groups, potentially saving Babin or Pace ...

 

Thoughts?

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Good read.  FO did a damn good job filling out the roster.

 

My two cents:

 

The offense definitely has some nice battles to see who sticks.  

 

RB:  I think the Jets keep Ridley and Stacey to go along with Ivory and Powell.

 

TE:  I'd cut Cumberland...too similar to Amaro and neither blocks exceptionally well.

 

OL:  Have yet to see much from the OL.  Look forward to the preseason to see who sticks.

 

LB:  I'd keep Henderson.  Looks like he cleaned himself up and has the most experience.  Special team play will most likely be the deciding factor among the keepers.

 

DB/WR:  Think here is where Mac did some of his best work.  Depth, depth and more depth.  Great matchups throughout camp should sharpen the competition level of both of the squads.

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If it were up to me, I would keep 10 OLmen, 6 WRs and 10 DBs. Willie Colon and either Calvin Pace and or Jason Babin would not be a part of the team. The Jets are rebuilding with a new regime and none of those guys have any significance on a rebuilding team

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If it were up to me, I would keep 10 OLmen, 6 WRs and 10 DBs. Willie Colon and either Calvin Pace and or Jason Babin would not be a part of the team. The Jets are rebuilding with a new regime and none of those guys have any significance on a rebuilding team

Veterans are nice to have around for more than just their on field production.

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Veterans are nice to have around for more than just their on field production.

You want them around, fine, bring them to camp as assistants to the assistants in camp. Harris and Coples and a younger guy like Davis should assume the leadership role on the Defense. If Willie Colon is the voice of leadership in the lockerroom on offense, IMHO, the Jets are in trouble.

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You want them around, fine, bring them to camp as assistants to the assistants in camp. Harris and Coples and a younger guy like Davis should assume the leadership role on the Defense. If Willie Colon is the voice of leadership in the lockerroom on offense, IMHO, the Jets are in trouble.

Yes, because that happens often. 

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Great write up, how many of the WR's can they keep on the PS?

 

Evans and Enunwa should be ok not sure about Hakim, Rumph, Posey, Powell and Graham

 

Hmmm.  Not sure about that one.  I could easily see both Evans and Enunwa getting cut. I kind of agree with Dogginit.  Hakim probably gets the edge for ST value unless a guy like Owusu shows he can handle KR and maybe PR duties.

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Good write up.  My 2 cents -

 

1. Tough to cut Cumberland with Amaro a big unknown.  If Amaro grows this year, agree Cumberland should be a goner in 2016

 

2. It's going to be tough for Richardson to make the team.  Powell clearly is the 3rd down guy and I don't see them cutting either Ridley or Stacey

 

3. FB really isn't a position in professional football anymore.  So unless Tommy Bo becomes some sort of pass catching TE/H-back I don't see how he makes the team

 

4. If IK shows he can consistently get to the passer, Babin's a goner.  Pace probably gets the gray beard card one last time for locker room leadership and mentoring Mauldin

 

5. Jarrett was a Collision Low Crossers bromance.  New regime. Goner...

 

6. OL and LB are the most confusing rosters to build with so many unproven rookies, and vets on last legs.  This is where there is legitimate competition for roster spots.  ST's usually decide alot with reserve LBs.  With Bellore gone and Sudfeld injured, there's some holes to fill.  I could see an UDFA type like Jones making the squad if he is a superior ST player.  With OL, my hope is both Colon and Winters get cut but someone needs to step up and take the job. I'd be amazed if Maccags can sign Mathis...

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Hmmm.  Not sure about that one.  I could easily see both Evans and Enunwa getting cut. I kind of agree with Dogginit.  Hakim probably gets the edge for ST value unless a guy like Owusu shows he can handle KR and maybe PR duties.

Agree it will be tough for Evans and Enunwa to make the team but hoping they can stick on the Practice Squad, give them some more time to see of they develop

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4. If IK shows he can consistently get to the passer, Babin's a goner.  Pace probably gets the gray beard card one last time for locker room leadership and mentoring Mauldin

 

I agree.  I also think Reilly might not make it.  My guess for the LBs would be:

 

Coples, Davis, Harris, & Mauldin

IK, Henderson, Taiwan Jones (or Howsare?), and Pace

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Hmmm. Not sure about that one. I could easily see both Evans and Enunwa getting cut. I kind of agree with Dogginit. Hakim probably gets the edge for ST value unless a guy like Owusu shows he can handle KR and maybe PR duties.

Owusu better make the team. This guy strikes me with potential for some reason. On the other hand, Shaq Evans will get cut 100%. I'm hearing he's been dropping balls left and right.

As for the DB position, I like Walls but I do not think he should make the team over Marcus Williams. Walls will then sign with Buffalo.

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Owusu better make the team. This guy strikes me with potential for some reason. On the other hand, Shaq Evans will get cut 100%. I'm hearing he's been dropping balls left and right.

As for the DB position, I like Walls but I do not think he should make the team over Marcus Williams. Walls will then sign with Buffalo.

 

Owusu is going to make the team.

 

I also think that if Willie Colon is the starting RG of this football team, then that's pretty damning of the young guards they have been drafting and "developing" over the last few years.

 

I don't think they should cut Walls or Williams. That would pretty be giving one of the other 31 teams a starter for free. They should be able to trade one of them, unless they can find a way to keep both. Can't let either one go for nothing. Williams could be a solid #3 or #4 on another team and Walls would step in for pretty much any other team in their nickle or #2 on the outside.

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I don't think they should cut Walls or Williams. That would pretty be giving one of the other 31 teams a starter for free. They should be able to trade one of them, unless they can find a way to keep both. Can't let either one go for nothing. Williams could be a solid #3 or #4 on another team and Walls would step in for pretty much any other team in their nickle or #2 on the outside.

+1, we could probably get a couple of first-rounders for Walls

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People who are saying we should cut Cumberland do not grasp exactly what Kellen Davis brings to the table.

 

I wish that every team we play would play 2013 Jets starting corners.  I wouldn't just give them away.  I would trade a draft pick if they started them against us.  Pretty sure Geno's QB rating would skyrocket.

 

I don't want to keep 4 RBs.  That is too many, especially if they give you nothing in the return game.

 

It is early going, but I think people are too high on Taiwan Jones.  I expect him on the practice squad.  I am almost positive that they will keep Pace. 

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People who are saying we should cut Cumberland do not grasp exactly what Kellen Davis brings to the table.

 

 

 

I don't think the issue is valuing Davis as a substitute for Cumberland.  I think the issue is frustration with Cumberland's lack of production vs. the salary he earns.  If Amaro can consistently produce and his blocking skills are comparable I see Cumberland gone next year

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Thoughts?

 

 

Nice write up buddy.  I think with Richardson's season in question, guys like Babin and Pace are feeling that much more secure because you have to imagine Coples is going to see a lot more snaps as DE and Babin truly might be the best situational pass rusher on the team.

 

Cumberland is making the team and as much as people like to bitch about him, he had a solid finish to the season where as Amaro disappeared.  Cutting him just because with no real knowledge of what Amaro is going to be would be very careless. 

 

WR and CB are interesting because that last spot is really going to be a tight race between possibly 4-5 players. Marshall, Decker, Kerley, Smith are locks but how many they carry and who gets that lost spot or 2 is going to be interesting.  I like Graham.  A burner who knows the system and can return kicks...but there are a lot of battles taking place there .  Same with CB.  Revis, Cro, Skrine, Milliner, McDougle - probably locks.  Williams and Walls battling.  And then the safety position plays a factor.  With the way Bowles runs the D, he might opt to keep an extra S as opposed to an extra DB.  I see Walls getting cut and Williams making the team...he's a better player. 

 

The only competition from a starter perspective that is obviously intriguing is the RG.  I dont think they have a clue right now which why signing Evan Mathis would make a lot of sense. 

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Good write up.  My 2 cents -

 

 

2. It's going to be tough for Richardson to make the team.  Powell clearly is the 3rd down guy and I don't see them cutting either Ridley or Stacey

 

3. FB really isn't a position in professional football anymore.  So unless Tommy Bo becomes some sort of pass catching TE/H-back I don't see how he makes the team

 

 

 

My guess is they get rid of FB as it shouldn't be needed.  I think Ridley will be put on PUP for first 6 weeks allowing them to carry Ivory, Powell and Richardson.  I think Stacey gets cut.  They might keep Stacey as insurance until Ridley comes back and if Ridley healthy I think Stacey gets cut at that point in the season.

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Nice job. The real litmus test will be how many of the kids flash to the point where you just can't keep the veteran player. If too many vets stick around it will prove that the preseason talk was just hype. If the cut Colon and Babin I will be really excited.

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By my count, there are 28.5 players in camp who are essentially guaranteed a roster spot, whether on talent or draft equity (the .5 is Richardson, who won't count against the roster until week 5 at the earliest):

 

3 QBs (Geno, Fitz, & Petty)

2 RBs (Ivory & Powell)

4 WRs (Marshall, Decker, Smith, & Kerley)

1 TE (Amaro)

4 OL (Ferguson, Carpenter, Mangold, & Breno)

4 DL (Mo, Harrison, Richardson, & Williams)

4 LB (Coples, Davis, Harris, & Mauldin)

5 DB (Revis, Cro, Skrine, Gilchrist, & Pryor)

2 ST (Folk & Purdum) 

 

That leaves 25 roster spots open to be taken.  One will go to a punter - Quigley or Schum - leaving 24, one of which is a placeholder for Richardson.  How do you see them shaking out?

 

At QB, Heaps is obviously ticketed for the practice squad.

 

I think the Jets keep 2 more RBs out of the Richardson/Stacy/Ridley group, and I see Stacy as the likely odd man out among them.  Richardson is more versatile and if Ridley is healthy he's the best all around back.  But unless Ridley is still injured this is a competition that won't be decided until the final cut - and the Jets may decide to PUP Ridley and keep him on the roster that way in order to extend the decision time.

 

That leaves 22.  I don't see the Jets keeping a FB - there's just too much competition in other areas to justify keeping a specialist like Bohannon, and especially if Stacy or Saxton show they can do a decent job as a lead blocker.

 

At TE, Cumberland is as close to a lock as a non-lock can get, but he is a bit at risk - he's a relatively expensive not-great player who - like Amaro and Saxton - is more of a receiver than a blocker.  I think he sticks, and Saxton heads to the practice squad, but if Saxton explodes during the preseason and the Jets are worried about losing him, Cumberland could be out of a job.  As for Kellen Davis, I think he'll end up fighting for a spot as a blocking TE, and the real battle for him will be with Bohannon and whatever backup OL is the last cut along the OL; if either of those guys can work as a blocking TE, Davis will be cut.  Either way, there'll be at least one more TE, so drop the available spots to 21.

 

OL is probably the toughest to figure out.  Aboushi, Winters, Qvale and Colon are fighting for the starting RG job.  If Colon isn't the starter, you probably keep him on your bench as a guy who can fill in at RT or G in a pinch.  Same for Aboushi.  I have to wonder if this is the end of the road for Winters, and it wouldn't surprise me if Dakota Dozier was cut either; we've heard nothing about his development since he was drafted, and that's not a good sign for a project player, especially with a new regime drafting Jarvis Harrison to take the "project G with upside" role.  I don't know if the Jets feel like they need to keep at least one of Ijalana or Brewer to backup Ferguson, but I hope not; neither player is any good at all, and I'd rather they just use Aboushi as the backup LT since that's a better use of a roster spot than either of those two.  At center, it's basically Freeman or Winters as the backup.  I think the Jets keep 8-9 OL, with Aboushi, Qvale, and Freeman taking 3 of those slots.  That leaves Harrison, Winters, Ijalana, Brewer, and Colon fighting for the last 1-2 spots on the OL; Harrison may stick or not depending on whether they think they can sneak him to the PS.  Let's assume they don't and keep 9 OL; he'd be my bet for "guy who gets cut for Sheldon Richardson", since it will be easier to put him on the PS as a mid-season cut than as a TC cut.

 

That leaves 16 backup spots.  I'd assume 3 are on the DL, and they go to Douzable and Barnes, plus one of the veteran ends - Bowen, Talley, or Vickerson (this last guy is another good spot for the "Richardson cut"). 13 left.

 

At least 4 will be LBs, potentially 5.  I expect IK and Reilly to make the squad, and then it gets messy.  Henderson, Howsare, or Taiwan Jones as the backup ILB.  Do Babin and/or Pace make the squad?  I legitimately don't know.  Mays? Lattimore?  Just a huge amount of intrigue here.  Lets assume there are 8 spots left.

 

DB is another big one.  Between draft equity and potential, plus the fact that they are being used for depth rather than counted on as starters, I think it's pretty clear both Dex and Miliner make the team.  I think Allen and Miles are the only backup safeties kept; that leaves Jarrett - who is the epitome of a JAG - out.  Walls and Marcus Williams are fighting for the 6th CB spot, and I think Williams has the edge.

 

That leaves 3 spots, which brings us to WR.  I deliberately left WR for last because I wanted to see how much room was left.  I think given the above, it's realistic for the team to keep 6 WRs this year, especially with Smith on the shelf for camp, which means two available spots.  One, I think, belongs to Chris Owusu; he showed value as a WR and STer last year.  The last spot is a true toss up among a large, large group.  Pick one from Hakim, Evans, Enunwa, Rumph, Posey, Powell and Graham; Smith's injury may give Hakim (the best burner of the group) an edge.

 

That leaves one wildcard spot to be allocated to the best cut among the position groups, potentially saving Babin or Pace ...

 

Thoughts?

 

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This is excellent! Great post.

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This...I really don't understand this teams continued support of this guy.

 

He can't block and can't catch...

 

Cumberland is a big pet peeve with me - I really wish they would just cut the guy.

 

With the exception of Johnny Mitchell and maybe Dustin Keller for two years each, it feels like we haven't had a dynamic TE on this team since Mickey Shuler in the 80's...  

 

Kyle Brady, Fred Baxter, Anthony Becht, Chris Baker, Jeff Cumberland...  

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One thing that's different about this year is that it seems more difficult for us fans to try to determine who makes the team. Which means that Mcags and co. did a great job with bringing in talent.

 

The biggest question areas seem to be WR and DB and if the last spot or two comes down between either or, I think Bowles will opt to keep an extra DB that he believes he can fit, over a WR that is of questionable use.

 

I mostly agree with Doggin's assessment, but I think Jarret has a chance over Miles to be a backup (or even be used as a hybrid S/LB in certain situations) And I think Williams gets the nod over Walls.

 

Only one of Pace and Babin will be on the team, and I think Pace wins out by being more versatile.

 

Owusu deserves the 5th WR spot and I'll guess that the last spot goes to Graham (for his prior experience in Chan's offense). Evans and Enunwa can be put on the PS, if need be.

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I really hope Ryan Fitzpatrick steps it up and really plays well so he can start the season at quarterback instead of the inconsistent Geno Smith. It can definitely happen.

I believe they have a better chance at winning with Fitzy at QB because he makes smart decisions. Bryce Petty is a season or 2 away from getting the 1st team snaps at quarterback.

 

The Jets are set at wide receiver right now thank goodness Decker, Marshall, Kerley, Owusu, Smith.

Their defense will be more dominant then before because now Revis and Cromartie are back at Cornerback.

The Kicking game will be reliable as always with Folk who basically makes almost every field goal he attempts.

The O-Line even though it's sort of old is very solid still with Mangold,Giocomini, Ferguson & the rest.

This team should be in contention for playoffs this season 10 wins maybe 11 wins. In my opinion.

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With the exception of Johnny Mitchell and maybe Dustin Keller for two years each, it feels like we haven't had a dynamic TE on this team since Mickey Shuler in the 80's...  

 

Kyle Brady, Fred Baxter, Anthony Becht, Chris Baker, Jeff Cumberland...  

I thought that was why we used a 2nd round pick on Amaro.  I think it is too soon to give up on the guy.... 

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With the exception of Johnny Mitchell and maybe Dustin Keller for two years each, it feels like we haven't had a dynamic TE on this team since Mickey Shuler in the 80's...

Kyle Brady, Fred Baxter, Anthony Becht, Chris Baker, Jeff Cumberland...

Our tight ends have been horrible and we've used 1st round picks. I think Amaro has a shot to be good but learn the plays stop blaming the coaches cuz ur lazy

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