varjet Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 This will be briefer than the last: I think we all agree that the current Jets management is better than the old. Unfortunately, the current Jets management may not have realized how bad the prior one was, and that affected how they approached the last off-season. Understanding that, because Idzik did not spend for two years, the Jets were required to spend this year. That being said, in retrospect there was too much money spent on "win now" contracts, whereas perhaps more should have been spent on building for the future. Signing Harris, Cromartie and Gilcrist for what they were paid, and not extending Wilkerson (who should be able to play at a high level for another five years or more), may not have been optimal. As I have said before, I do think Woody Johnson has too much showman in him. The great football teams build long-term for championships. Although Woody and Tannenbaum did splurge to make 2 AFCCG's (no small accomplishment), you just feel like they are too quick to make a splash, fill seats or win in the short-term. We (at least I) would rather see a Green Bay/Pittsburgh/NE approach of building a sustained contender who competes for championships. QB-Smith's standing with his team is lower than I feared. His parking lot stunt also reeks of poor judgement, bad advice and low intelligence. The Jets should have pursued more QB talent harder. This will be a constant theme. QB could prevent the team from doing better than 500. WR-the Kerley signing is not looking great. Enunwa and Evans do look like they have some potential for Idzik picks-whichever of them that is put on the PS will not last. Its the second preseason game and Devin Smith only yesterday slept in his bed? Everyone now knows that. He needs to be on the PUP list. TE-Amaro needs therapy. This position is worse than we feared. OL-The fact that all of the draft picks over the last 3 years cannot supplant Willie Colon is sad. Good for Willie, but bad for the Jets. I would go with potential (Harrison?) over current ability (Winters). Dozier looks like he is worth the risk to put on the PS. Teams building for the future start with the lines. This needs to be a focus next offseason. DL-I like the strategy of signing Wilkerson, playing Richardson's contract/franchise out and seeing how Williams performs. Extend Snacks and make the DL the focal point of the defense. LB-I am completely perplexed about whether to keep Babin or Reilly. I would go with whoever is going to help win the most games, and look to upgrade next offseason. Coples will also need replacing-I don't see him getting signed. CB-please don't play Cromartie if he is not better than anyone else. Milliner should also be on the PUP list. He will get hurt again unless fully healed. S-ditto for Pryor. He may be a disasterous draft pick. Rex must have had a role in that. Let's see. I am feeling that the secondary may not be as good as we though I just want to see the team a long-term future and avoid the easy, short-term answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 The way the Jets handled the Willie Colon RG competition is how they should have handled QB for the last 5+ years. Find a starting quality vet, make the rookies beat the vet. If they can't, the vet starts. Instead they gave the job to Sanchez, gave it to Geno and neither of these guys are actually better than the vet (Vick or Fitz). I'm sick of this team giving the most important job on the field away, based on hope and dreams. Screw hope. The best player should play. Not the best player in 2018. The best player today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuler82 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Not sure why you think signing vet players at positions of need was a bad thing? It wasn't reckless spending. I can agree that I did not like the Cro contract, but in reality it's a one year deal. I don't think the Jets bring him back unless he's lights out. And yes, the Jets can still afford to pay Wilk if (and when) they want to. There's no immediate need to extend a player who you control for two more seasons. Plus it's not as if they had a crystal ball and could see what would transpire with Richardson this off season. As for Devin Smith, he'll be fine. Yes, rib injuries are painful. But he's on track to return. Hopefully we will be able to say the same about Amaro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted August 17, 2015 Author Share Posted August 17, 2015 At this point I agree Colon should play. He is a tough player and good leader, but can be improved. My point was just that it is disappointing that the attempts to upgrade him were unsuccessful. Hopefully one of the younger guards on the roster can accede to his position next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSfaninNE Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 This will be briefer than the last: I think we all agree that the current Jets management is better than the old. Unfortunately, the current Jets management may not have realized how bad the prior one was, and that affected how they approached the last off-season. Understanding that, because Idzik did not spend for two years, the Jets were required to spend this year. That being said, in retrospect there was too much money spent on "win now" contracts, whereas perhaps more should have been spent on building for the future. Signing Harris, Cromartie and Gilcrist for what they were paid, and not extending Wilkerson (who should be able to play at a high level for another five years or more), may not have been optimal. As I have said before, I do think Woody Johnson has too much showman in him. The great football teams build long-term for championships. Although Woody and Tannenbaum did splurge to make 2 AFCCG's (no small accomplishment), you just feel like they are too quick to make a splash, fill seats or win in the short-term. We (at least I) would rather see a Green Bay/Pittsburgh/NE approach of building a sustained contender who competes for championships. QB-Smith's standing with his team is lower than I feared. His parking lot stunt also reeks of poor judgement, bad advice and low intelligence. The Jets should have pursued more QB talent harder. This will be a constant theme. QB could prevent the team from doing better than 500. WR-the Kerley signing is not looking great. Enunwa and Evans do look like they have some potential for Idzik picks-whichever of them that is put on the PS will not last. Its the second preseason game and Devin Smith only yesterday slept in his bed? Everyone now knows that. He needs to be on the PUP list. TE-Amaro needs therapy. This position is worse than we feared. OL-The fact that all of the draft picks over the last 3 years cannot supplant Willie Colon is sad. Good for Willie, but bad for the Jets. I would go with potential (Harrison?) over current ability (Winters). Dozier looks like he is worth the risk to put on the PS. Teams building for the future start with the lines. This needs to be a focus next offseason. DL-I like the strategy of signing Wilkerson, playing Richardson's contract/franchise out and seeing how Williams performs. Extend Snacks and make the DL the focal point of the defense. LB-I am completely perplexed about whether to keep Babin or Reilly. I would go with whoever is going to help win the most games, and look to upgrade next offseason. Coples will also need replacing-I don't see him getting signed. CB-please don't play Cromartie if he is not better than anyone else. Milliner should also be on the PUP list. He will get hurt again unless fully healed. S-ditto for Pryor. He may be a disasterous draft pick. Rex must have had a role in that. Let's see. I am feeling that the secondary may not be as good as we though I just want to see the team a long-term future and avoid the easy, short-term answers. I understand and appreciate your points but I don't agree that we built a "win-now" team. The average age of the NY Jets is 27 (Not the oldest but I think like 10th oldest in league?). In 2-3 years some of the guys over 30 will no longer be with the team and should help bring the age down. Yes we signed Revis (doens't matter about age honestly) and Cro (age does matter here) but then we also signed Skrine (25) who will possibly replace cro next year on teh outside and Gilchrist (26). We also signed James Carpenter (26) to the OL to address one of your issues (no draft picks have been able to fill the roll). Yes RG will need to be addressed but thats exactly as you stated, keep the vet in place until a rookie beats them out. Zac Stacey (24), Stevan Ridley (26) and Daryl Richardson (25) are all players only getting their 2nd contract or still on their first contracts. Ivory is the oldest in the RB depth at 27. Still another 2-3 yrs of quality play from him. We got Brandon Marshall (31) but balanced that with Devin Smith (23). I guess my point is we aren't really a win now team as much as we are working towards what you want the org to be, balanced and playoff competitive annually. We are building a balanced team that has vets at each position group to help younger guys get acclimated and hold the fort until they are ready to take over. Next year I'm sure we will address a speed back, speed/coverage LBs and more OL and most importantly a QB. Not everything was going to be perfect overnight in one season but I think the Jets are still travelling north on an upward slope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 the terms "Willie Colon" and "starting quality vet" shouldn't be in the same sentence together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSfaninNE Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 the terms "Willie Colon" and "starting quality vet" shouldn't be in the same sentence together. Colon is a good RG if he can clean up the penalties. Everything else about him is pretty damn solid. I'm hoping the discipline and approach in practice this year will help him be focused and not make the stupid false start penalties. I was impressed in the first drive in preseason game 1 (i think 10 plays for the starters) ended wtih 0 penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OuttaSightPF Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 This will be briefer than the last: I think we all agree that the current Jets management is better than the old. Unfortunately, the current Jets management may not have realized how bad the prior one was, and that affected how they approached the last off-season. Understanding that, because Idzik did not spend for two years, the Jets were required to spend this year. That being said, in retrospect there was too much money spent on "win now" contracts, whereas perhaps more should have been spent on building for the future. Signing Harris, Cromartie and Gilcrist for what they were paid, and not extending Wilkerson (who should be able to play at a high level for another five years or more), may not have been optimal. As I have said before, I do think Woody Johnson has too much showman in him. The great football teams build long-term for championships. Although Woody and Tannenbaum did splurge to make 2 AFCCG's (no small accomplishment), you just feel like they are too quick to make a splash, fill seats or win in the short-term. We (at least I) would rather see a Green Bay/Pittsburgh/NE approach of building a sustained contender who competes for championships. QB-Smith's standing with his team is lower than I feared. His parking lot stunt also reeks of poor judgement, bad advice and low intelligence. The Jets should have pursued more QB talent harder. This will be a constant theme. QB could prevent the team from doing better than 500. WR-the Kerley signing is not looking great. Enunwa and Evans do look like they have some potential for Idzik picks-whichever of them that is put on the PS will not last. Its the second preseason game and Devin Smith only yesterday slept in his bed? Everyone now knows that. He needs to be on the PUP list. TE-Amaro needs therapy. This position is worse than we feared. OL-The fact that all of the draft picks over the last 3 years cannot supplant Willie Colon is sad. Good for Willie, but bad for the Jets. I would go with potential (Harrison?) over current ability (Winters). Dozier looks like he is worth the risk to put on the PS. Teams building for the future start with the lines. This needs to be a focus next offseason. DL-I like the strategy of signing Wilkerson, playing Richardson's contract/franchise out and seeing how Williams performs. Extend Snacks and make the DL the focal point of the defense. LB-I am completely perplexed about whether to keep Babin or Reilly. I would go with whoever is going to help win the most games, and look to upgrade next offseason. Coples will also need replacing-I don't see him getting signed. CB-please don't play Cromartie if he is not better than anyone else. Milliner should also be on the PUP list. He will get hurt again unless fully healed. S-ditto for Pryor. He may be a disasterous draft pick. Rex must have had a role in that. Let's see. I am feeling that the secondary may not be as good as we though I just want to see the team a long-term future and avoid the easy, short-term answers. From the moment Idzik and Rex were fired I said that we needed to trade for Nick Foles and find a high quality TE somewhere.... anywhere. Foles was the only viable option when looking at potential FA's and the draft. Look back at my old posts from the winter. I said dump Geno and find a TE. We did very little to address those 2 positions and here we are. It's nice to see Revis back, but I think that contract will bury us in years to come. CB's hit the wall hard and fast. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted August 17, 2015 Author Share Posted August 17, 2015 From the moment Idzik and Rex were fired I said that we needed to trade for Nick Foles and find a high quality TE somewhere.... anywhere. Foles was the only viable option when looking at potential FA's and the draft. Look back at my old posts from the winter. I said dump Geno and find a TE. We did very little to address those 2 positions and here we are. It's nice to see Revis back, but I think that contract will bury us in years to come. CB's hit the wall hard and fast. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I agree with this. Maccagnan should have focused on QB first, especially if they were more in the know about Geno than the public was. Maybe they get more slack if they too were surprised by the latest events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 The way the Jets handled the Willie Colon RG competition is how they should have handled QB for the last 5+ years. Find a starting quality vet, make the rookies beat the vet. If they can't, the vet starts. Instead they gave the job to Sanchez, gave it to Geno and neither of these guys are actually better than the vet (Vick or Fitz). I'm sick of this team giving the most important job on the field away, based on hope and dreams. Screw hope. The best player should play. Not the best player in 2018. The best player today. Sanchez was better than Mark Brunell. Sanchez got hurt in Geno's rookie season. Vick showed that he wasnt the guy when he admitted to not being prepared for the Chargers game in Geno's 2nd year, David Garrard was washed up years prior and Fitz is new coming off a broken leg in which he couldnt even practice much during spring training in Geno's 3rd season. Also Geno, Like Colon was the incumbent, not the rookie. Yeah, the best players should play, but please, direct me to the clips where Mark Brunell, Mike Vick David Garrard, and Fitz showed that they were actually the better players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Sanchez was better than Mark Brunell. Sanchez got hurt in Geno's rookie season. Vick showed that he wasnt the guy when he admitted to not being prepared for the Chargers game in Geno's 2nd year, David Garrard was washed up years prior and Fitz is new coming off a broken leg in which he couldnt even practice much during spring training in Geno's 3rd season. Also Geno, Like Colon was the incumbent, not the rookie. Yeah, the best players should play, but please, direct me to the clips where Mark Brunell, Mike Vick David Garrard, and Fitz showed that they were actually the better players. He made 3 Pro Bowls 1996-1999 but not by the time he got to the Jets at 40 years old..LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Yeah, the best players should play, but please, direct me to the clips where Mark Brunell, Mike Vick David Garrard, and Fitz showed that they were actually the better players. Brunell and Garrard weren't competition. They were coaches/mentors who were basically done as players. If Vick and Fitz got the same amount of reps as Geno they would have proven they were better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 We can all agree the Jets lack of sucess in finding a good QB is the cloud over this franchise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Please tell me Amaro is not another Jet TE bust. I'm gettin' scared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Please tell me Amaro is not another Jet TE bust. I'm gettin' scared. All 19 of Idziot's picks are varying degrees of busts. Watch IK be the only player from those two years that has a long playing career, and the Jets cut him instead of Geno who will be out of the league soon. That would be fitting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 How can anybody even say with a straight face that the Jets are a "win now" team with the crap we have at Qb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 From the moment Idzik and Rex were fired I said that we needed to trade for Nick Foles and find a high quality TE somewhere.... anywhere. Foles was the only viable option when looking at potential FA's and the draft. Look back at my old posts from the winter. I said dump Geno and find a TE. We did very little to address those 2 positions and here we are. It's nice to see Revis back, but I think that contract will bury us in years to come. CB's hit the wall hard and fast. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Hmmmm I watched a lot of Foles before he got hurt because I was following the life and times of Sanchez. I like him a lot. He isn't very mobile but I think he is a very good QB and a person of very very high character. If Geno can get to his level we will be a serious contender but I am not sure that he can. Good points though and your way would have been viable as well. The only thing I can say is we didn't have the horses to get Foles. Geno aint Bradford... Period... But the thinking you are saying is sound IMO.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Sanchez was better than Mark Brunell. Sanchez got hurt in Geno's rookie season. Vick showed that he wasnt the guy when he admitted to not being prepared for the Chargers game in Geno's 2nd year, David Garrard was washed up years prior and Fitz is new coming off a broken leg in which he couldnt even practice much during spring training in Geno's 3rd season. Also Geno, Like Colon was the incumbent, not the rookie. Yeah, the best players should play, but please, direct me to the clips where Mark Brunell, Mike Vick David Garrard, and Fitz showed that they were actually the better players. Good Post... And the question we have to ask three years later are we better with Geno than we were with Sanchez and I say no we are not. So the Idzik madness shows just how far we have fallen. We had to be aggressive last year in getting a QB but instead, I believe, Idzik was hell bent on showing why he was smart and that Geno was his "sleeper" pick when he wasn't ready for prime time. We now have to try and ride out the madness.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 I understand and appreciate your points but I don't agree that we built a "win-now" team. The average age of the NY Jets is 27 (Not the oldest but I think like 10th oldest in league?). In 2-3 years some of the guys over 30 will no longer be with the team and should help bring the age down. Yes we signed Revis (doens't matter about age honestly) and Cro (age does matter here) but then we also signed Skrine (25) who will possibly replace cro next year on teh outside and Gilchrist (26). We also signed James Carpenter (26) to the OL to address one of your issues (no draft picks have been able to fill the roll). Yes RG will need to be addressed but thats exactly as you stated, keep the vet in place until a rookie beats them out. Zac Stacey (24), Stevan Ridley (26) and Daryl Richardson (25) are all players only getting their 2nd contract or still on their first contracts. Ivory is the oldest in the RB depth at 27. Still another 2-3 yrs of quality play from him. We got Brandon Marshall (31) but balanced that with Devin Smith (23). I guess my point is we aren't really a win now team as much as we are working towards what you want the org to be, balanced and playoff competitive annually. We are building a balanced team that has vets at each position group to help younger guys get acclimated and hold the fort until they are ready to take over. Next year I'm sure we will address a speed back, speed/coverage LBs and more OL and most importantly a QB. Not everything was going to be perfect overnight in one season but I think the Jets are still travelling north on an upward slope. +1000000000000 Truly excellent post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSfaninNE Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 We can all agree the Jets lack of sucess in finding a good personnel is the cloud over this franchise Fixed that a bit for ya. Yes QB is the worst, but damn have we been a pretty bad draft team overall... Especially since 2010: GMs: Mike Tannenbaum (2010-12), John Idzik (2013-14) Average position of 1st pick: 20.4 Total Picks: 36 Pro Bowlers: 1 Best Pick: DE Sheldon Richardson — 2013 1st round Worst Pick: WR Stephen Hill — 2012 2nd round The Jets are on their third general manager in four years thanks to some very poor drafting. Richardson and DE Muhammad Wilkerson are impact players, but that’s it. Picks like CB Kyle Wilson, OL Vlad Duccasse and Hill crippled this team. The above doesn't count Macc's first draft since we'll see how that turns out. In case anyone is curious of who was worse than the jets. The Jets were ranked 28th 29. Saints GM: Mickey Loomis Average position of 1st pick: 36 Total Picks: 28 Pro Bowlers: 3 Best Pick: TE Jimmy Graham — 2010 3rd round Worst Pick: CB Patrick Robinson — 2010 1st round New Orleans has picked the fewest players in the past five years, which drags their ranking down. They have traded away some of the picks and lost two as part of their punishment in the Bountygate scandal. They hit on Jimmy Graham in the third round in 2010, but have not had much luck with their other picks. 30. Bears GMs: Jerry Angelo (2010-11), Phil Emery (2012-14) Average position of 1st pick: 31.4 Total Picks: 30 Pro Bowlers: 2 Best Pick: G Kyle Long — 2013 1st round Worst Pick: OL Gabe Carimi — 2011 1st round The Bears are another team that has not had a ton of picks. They traded away their first two picks of the 2010 draft. WR Alshon Jeffrey was a strong 2nd-round pick in 2012, but they have failed to land many other impact players. 31. Raiders GMs: Al Davis (2010), Hue Jackson (2011), Reggie McKenzie (2012-14) Average position of 1st pick: 33.6 Total Picks: 41 Pro Bowlers: 0 Best Pick: LB Sio Moore — 2013 3rd round Worst Pick: LB Rolando McClain — 2010 1st round Oakland had no 1st-round pick in 2011 (Richard Seymour trade) and 2012 (Carson Palmer trade). Last year’s draft looks promising with LB Khalil Mack, QB Derek Carr and a few other possible long-term starters. 32. Jaguars GMs: Gene Smith (2010-12), Dave Caldwell (2013-14) Average position of 1st pick: 6 Total Picks: 34 Pro Bowlers: 0 Best Pick: WR Cecil Shorts — 2011 4th round Worst Pick: QB Blaine Gabbert — 2011 1st round Their draft list is like a who’s who of mistakes, headlined by Gabbert and WR Justin Blackmon. No one has consistently drafted earlier, but the Jaguars have little to show for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 The way the Jets handled the Willie Colon RG competition is how they should have handled QB for the last 5+ years. Find a starting quality vet, make the rookies beat the vet. If they can't, the vet starts. Instead they gave the job to Sanchez, gave it to Geno and neither of these guys are actually better than the vet (Vick or Fitz). I'm sick of this team giving the most important job on the field away, based on hope and dreams. Screw hope. The best player should play. Not the best player in 2018. The best player today. Preach on brother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 All 19 of Idziot's picks are varying degrees of busts. Watch IK be the only player from those two years that has a long playing career, and the Jets cut him instead of Geno who will be out of the league soon. That would be fitting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Brunell and Garrard weren't competition. They were coaches/mentors who were basically done as players. If Vick and Fitz got the same amount of reps as Geno they would have proven they were better. Vick had all the reps that he needed...with the 2nd team. What Vick decided to do was take a paid vacation. That Chargers game was week 5. Vick could have taken over for the rest of the season. But instead he decided not to be ready. That is how Vick proved himself. Fitz has a broke leg and wasnt the incumbent. You talk about how you want people to "earn" the position, yet you're looking to just give it to Fitz. Isnt that what you just complained about...or are you simply complaining when its Sanchez and Geno? Fitz is getting as much reps as Geno, with the 2nd team. Its not like he's not on the field to be evaluated. Its Geno's job to lose, and until his jaw situation, there was nothing that was indicating that Geno should lose his job. I dont know what the problem is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 The GB/NE/Pitt method for sustained success is simple: draft a franchise QB (or two... ). I'm happy with Maccagnan's off season work. I don't see a "win now" team, as that generally implies that the team has one last chance before they drop into the toilet. They're certainly looking to improve on last year's record, to impress upon the players that what they're doing is right by getting some wins, but it's still very much a team in progress. I think they're only locked into Revis and Harris deals beyond this year. Everyone else can be cut if they don't perform with little or no financial impact. Cromartie signed an expensive contract but again, if he proves not to be a viable starter, he's gone with minimal cap consequences. As for Woody's showmanship or involvement in personnel, I hope that's a thing of the past. I hope he realizes that he finally hired a personnel guy to handle personnel, and he should sit back and let that man do his job. I think part of the problem with Tannenbaum and Idzik's incompetence is that they were forced to listen to everyone around them because they didn't have the talent to evaluate talent themselves. Deferring to the head coach or owner was an easy out. The impression I get of Maccagnan is that he can tell Woody or Bowles that, no, the guy you want isn't the best guy to get here - and then grab his own guy. Idzik tried to do some of that, a little fake it until you make it, but he just wasn't qualified. Tannenbaum did whatever Woody, Bradway, Clinkscales, Rex, or the washroom attendant told him to do. I'm more excited about Maccagnan than any other move I saw this offseason. Close second was Tannenbaum to the fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Vick had all the reps that he needed...with the 2nd team. What Vick decided to do was take a paid vacation. That Chargers game was week 5. Vick could have taken over for the rest of the season. But instead he decided not to be ready. That is how Vick proved himself. Fitz has a broke leg and wasnt the incumbent. You talk about how you want people to "earn" the position, yet you're looking to just give it to Fitz. Isnt that what you just complained about...or are you simply complaining when its Sanchez and Geno? Fitz is getting as much reps as Geno, with the 2nd team. Its not like he's not on the field to be evaluated. Its Geno's job to lose, and until his jaw situation, there was nothing that was indicating that Geno should lose his job. I dont know what the problem is. Vick screwed over the team and the fans by not being ready but let's be objective here Geno Smith--starting QB of the NYJ--no showed the pre game meeting and was too stupid to even have the follow up lie ready of what movie he saw. Rex did nothing. No accountability whatsoever. It trickled down from the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Vick screwed over the team and the fans by not being ready but let's be objective here Geno Smith--starting QB of the NYJ--no showed the pre game meeting and was too stupid to even have the follow up lie ready of what movie he saw. Rex did nothing. No accountability whatsoever. It trickled down from the top. Agreed, Vick screwed the pooch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 This will be briefer than the last: I think we all agree that the current Jets management is better than the old. Unfortunately, the current Jets management may not have realized how bad the prior one was, and that affected how they approached the last off-season. Understanding that, because Idzik did not spend for two years, the Jets were required to spend this year. That being said, in retrospect there was too much money spent on "win now" contracts, whereas perhaps more should have been spent on building for the future. Signing Harris, Cromartie and Gilcrist for what they were paid, and not extending Wilkerson (who should be able to play at a high level for another five years or more), may not have been optimal. As I have said before, I do think Woody Johnson has too much showman in him. The great football teams build long-term for championships. Although Woody and Tannenbaum did splurge to make 2 AFCCG's (no small accomplishment), you just feel like they are too quick to make a splash, fill seats or win in the short-term. We (at least I) would rather see a Green Bay/Pittsburgh/NE approach of building a sustained contender who competes for championships. QB-Smith's standing with his team is lower than I feared. His parking lot stunt also reeks of poor judgement, bad advice and low intelligence. The Jets should have pursued more QB talent harder. This will be a constant theme. QB could prevent the team from doing better than 500. WR-the Kerley signing is not looking great. Enunwa and Evans do look like they have some potential for Idzik picks-whichever of them that is put on the PS will not last. Its the second preseason game and Devin Smith only yesterday slept in his bed? Everyone now knows that. He needs to be on the PUP list. TE-Amaro needs therapy. This position is worse than we feared. OL-The fact that all of the draft picks over the last 3 years cannot supplant Willie Colon is sad. Good for Willie, but bad for the Jets. I would go with potential (Harrison?) over current ability (Winters). Dozier looks like he is worth the risk to put on the PS. Teams building for the future start with the lines. This needs to be a focus next offseason. DL-I like the strategy of signing Wilkerson, playing Richardson's contract/franchise out and seeing how Williams performs. Extend Snacks and make the DL the focal point of the defense. LB-I am completely perplexed about whether to keep Babin or Reilly. I would go with whoever is going to help win the most games, and look to upgrade next offseason. Coples will also need replacing-I don't see him getting signed. CB-please don't play Cromartie if he is not better than anyone else. Milliner should also be on the PUP list. He will get hurt again unless fully healed. S-ditto for Pryor. He may be a disasterous draft pick. Rex must have had a role in that. Let's see. I am feeling that the secondary may not be as good as we though I just want to see the team a long-term future and avoid the easy, short-term answers. Tannenbaum was the "big splash" guy but he's in Miami now (and still at it - signing Suh). I don't get what the "Green Bay/Pittsburgh/NE approach" was. Green Bay lucked out that Rodgers fell to them. New England landed arguably the GOAT QB in the 6th round. Pittsburgh drafted Big Ben. New England also has a HOF coach. The Jets are doing what they can to improve the team. I don't think we've had any luck though. We finished w/ the worst record 2 years in a row when Peyton Manning was a Soph and a Jr. Of course, we had the bad luck that he stayed at Tennessee all 4 years. We missed Favre by 1 pick (ending up w/ Nagle). Those 2 events could've been the difference between a successful decade worth of football vs what we've had instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sackdance Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 The way the Jets handled the Willie Colon RG competition is how they should have handled QB for the last 5+ years. Find a starting quality vet, make the rookies beat the vet. If they can't, the vet starts. Instead they gave the job to Sanchez, gave it to Geno and neither of these guys are actually better than the vet (Vick or Fitz). I'm sick of this team giving the most important job on the field away, based on hope and dreams. Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sackdance Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 We missed Favre by 1 pick (ending up w/ Nagle). Those 2 events could've been the difference between a successful decade worth of football vs what we've had instead. A lot of people forget Favre was drafted by the Falcons. It barely raised an eyebrow when he was traded to Packers a year later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 A lot of people forget Favre was drafted by the Falcons. It barely raised an eyebrow when he was traded to Packers a year later. We also passed up on Russell Wilson when Bradway pounded the table for him. And let's not forget Marino. Then again, Marino was over 30 years ago and he didn't win any superbowls anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 A lot of people forget Favre was drafted by the Falcons. It barely raised an eyebrow when he was traded to Packers a year later. The year Farve was drafted, I believe Ron Wolfe was our director of personnel, who had him ranked as the best player in the draft. We didn't have a #1 that year, losing it to take Rob Moore in the supplemental the year before. Supposedly tried to trade up a few times to get Farve, but couldn't get it done. Wolfe left after the year to become Packer's GM, and basically the first thing he did was trade for Favre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 The year Farve was drafted, I believe Ron Wolfe was our director of personnel, who had him ranked as the best player in the draft. We didn't have a #1 that year, losing it to take Rob Moore in the supplemental the year before. Supposedly tried to trade up a few times to get Farve, but couldn't get it done. Wolfe left after the year to become Packer's GM, and basically the first thing he did was trade for Favre. To me the bigger issue w/ the Jets is letting guys like Wolfe and Belichick slip through our fingers. "You sending the Wolfe? ... That's all you had to say!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 To me the bigger issue w/ the Jets is letting guys like Wolfe and Belichick slip through our fingers. "You sending the Wolfe? ... That's all you had to say!" "Be cool, honey-bunny." Still one of my favorite movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Agreed, Vick screwed the pooch. Indeed. And he's out of the league partially because of it. Geno had essentially no consequences and was on the verge of getting a job handed to him yet again before IK saved the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 "Be cool, honey-bunny." Still one of my favorite movies. "Pulp Fiction" is a masterwork and cinematic game changer. There are a ton, but here's my favorite line from the flick (NSFW): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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