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Agreed with the OP. This is the first year since the '01 offseason where something feels off. I'm on this site more than practically any other site on the web, followed closely by nfl, espn, numberfire, football outsiders, and nyjets.com. It's not as if I don't have the resources to understand what this team might be, it's that I just don't get it.

Our defense is going to be stout, even without my favorite (on the field) player Sheldon. Lenoard was a great pick in the draft- one that intelligent and successful organizations constantly make. I'm glad that we may have a front office capable of making such decisions going forward.

I think the biggest factor for me has to do with offenses in the NFL as a whole, and what part Chan is going to play in thatAs @KRL said, he's been out of the game for two years. In those two years, we've seen passing offenses explode to heights never before seen. Then again, we've also seen a run-first, minimal pass oriented team make it to the super bowl in both years- and ironically enough, they lost the second one because they abandoned the run and opted to pass at the most crucial point of the game. So in general, success for NFL offenses show great variance. 

Add to that the fact that Chan is an unknown, and that our QB situation sucks- going from a sh*t QB in Geno who at least was dynamic in physical ability, to an old, crappier version of Pennyboy who doesn't have the ability to win us games- simply hope not to lose them.....and viola! We're left with a complete IDK.

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I think the team overall is a better team than last year.  Last year's team was extremely talent depleted and ran bad schemes on both sides of the ball.

I think the Jets have suffered several bad breaks this offseason. I do believe that Geno's disaster will cause them to lose 1-2 more games.  Although he was flawed, I think Gailey was going to use him smart, relying on the running game and deeper passes that, if intercepted, are like punts.  The inability of Fitz to throw deep restricts their game plans.

The fact that they are in a competitive division, and Rex has a decent Bills talent base to work with, will make it hard.  It will take Rex a few years to destroy that, but he is working on it.

Wilkerson's injury if not fully recovered and Richardson's suspension hurt the DL.  I think in the end the drafted/FA improvements to the LBs and DBs end up not meeting expectations-Mouldlin's and Henderson's injuries, Harris gets older, Davis drifts, Pryor busts, Gilcrist's bumbles, Cromartie petters out.  Milliner busts.

So there will be more wins than 2014, but maybe not too many.  The team will continue to improve I would think, but Mac needs to find a QB answer, maintain the OL without a blip in play and manage the DL talent base.

6-10, but few if any blowouts like last year.  D should be too well-coached for any blowouts.

 

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The problem with our team isn't the qb it's the safety position.  We haven't had an effective coverage free safety since Rex ran Kerry Rhodes out of town.  Teams will just continue to kill us with the tight end or running back catching out of the backfield.

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I think the team overall is a better team than last year.  Last year's team was extremely talent depleted and ran bad schemes on both sides of the ball.

I think the Jets have suffered several bad breaks this offseason. I do believe that Geno's disaster will cause them to lose 1-2 more games.  Although he was flawed, I think Gailey was going to use him smart, relying on the running game and deeper passes that, if intercepted, are like punts.  The inability of Fitz to throw deep restricts their game plans. 

 

Great point. Fitz having no arm is going to have a much bigger impact on every game than just the inability to complete 30 yard throws. 

6-10, but few if any blowouts like last year.  D should be too well-coached for any blowouts.

 D should be much more stockpiled with talent for any blowouts, I'd say. 

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As someone who spends way too much time reading, watching, listening, etc. to all things Jets I'm surprised at how little feel I have for the type of squad we're going to have this year.

Even with the recent new regimes (Groh, Herm, Mangini, Rex) I felt like I knew what to expect heading into the season.  This year, I'm having a lot of trouble figuring us out.

Anyone else feel the same way?

I have a great feeling about our front office and the new leadership in place.  I really like the way they operate.

On the field I really don't know what to expect...

 

We'll have to wait and see how much influence Chan Gailey has on the offense. With Bowles, I think the D will be fine, even with the tackling issues they have had in preseason. I think it will get better when the season starts. As usual it is the offense that is the question mark, and it became even more so with Geno's injury.

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The problem with our team isn't the qb it's the safety position.  We haven't had an effective coverage free safety since Rex ran Kerry Rhodes out of town.  Teams will just continue to kill us with the tight end or running back catching out of the backfield.

In that respect I agree. Calvin Pryor sucks a$$. Can't cover, can't tackle and in space fagettaboutit..let's hope the Jets can get a sustainable pass rush so we don't have to worry as much.
 

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In that respect I agree. Calvin Pryor sucks a$$. Can't cover, can't tackle and in space fagettaboutit..let's hope the Jets can get a sustainable pass rush so we don't have to worry as much.
 

Pass rush can mitigate it but it won't solve it.  Our terrible lack of talent at Safety is going to kill our defense it was killing it in the two preseason games.  All a QB has to do is quickpass it to the tight end in the slant or tailback in the flat.  I would have signed McCourty over Cro.

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Great point. Fitz having no arm is going to have a much bigger impact on every game than just the inability to complete 30 yard throws. 

 D should be much more stockpiled with talent for any blowouts, I'd say. 

Personally, I don't think the D is as stockpiled as some think.  S and LB continue to be questions.  Cromartie is a mystery.  The DL is stockpiled.

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This is the reality of the situations. Idzik came into a situation where Rex and Tanny purged the talent and spent 4 years not finding or developing any new talent... and then proceeded to add 2 decent players in Ivory and Sheldon, while pissing away everything else.

If we're competitive this year, both Mac and Bowles deserve consideration for GM and Coach of the year, respectively. They'll never win those awards, because: JETS. 

But, they'd deserve it given what they inherited here.

Macc n Bowles took over an ideal situation. Crappy record with a team that had a few rising stars while missing 3-4 players to become relevant again with a QB that has nowhere else to go but up, n some high draft picks. Add to that the $50+ mil in cap space and you have it handed to you on a platter.

Idzik made one mistake that cost him dearly. No depth at WR or Secondary. Macc attacked those departments vigorously. 

Marshall was an excellent trade. Revis was paid full salary he expected. Cromartie, from the look of it, may become a bust signing. Shrine n Gilchrist are decent enough. Leonard luckily fell in our lap. I'm not sure what Macc n Bowles have done so far that warrants any mention of coach/GM of the year even if they are to be competitive. I expect us to win 8 games minimum after having $50mil of cap space be utilized. If Macc can get 10-11 wins, only then can a case be made.

 

i like Macc so far, I'm not bending over backwards for him.  

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FWIW, I just saw the Jets are 1.5 point favorites against the Browns in week 1 per Courtesy Sportsbook

Lol, so they'd be an underdog to the Browns on a neutral field?

Correct.

Psh, the odds makers really need to read this board before posting BS odds like that.  If they had, they'd have known we have one of the smartest QBs in the game.  Who also has an amazing arm given his high YPA last season.  My guess is they have only watched Fitz play and haven't studied the all knowing "stats".

Seriously though, even with Fitz at QB, we better beat Cleveland by 7+.  (Even though that may mean the defense has to shut em out.)

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Macc n Bowles took over an ideal situation. Crappy record with a team that had a few rising stars while missing 3-4 players to become relevant again with a QB that has nowhere else to go but up, n some high draft picks. Add to that the $50+ mil in cap space and you have it handed to you on a platter.

Idzik made one mistake that cost him dearly. No depth at WR or Secondary. Macc attacked those departments vigorously. 

Marshall was an excellent trade. Revis was paid full salary he expected. Cromartie, from the look of it, may become a bust signing. Shrine n Gilchrist are decent enough. Leonard luckily fell in our lap. I'm not sure what Macc n Bowles have done so far that warrants any mention of coach/GM of the year even if they are to be competitive. I expect us to win 8 games minimum after having $50mil of cap space be utilized. If Macc can get 10-11 wins, only then can a case be made.

 

i like Macc so far, I'm not bending over backwards for him.  

$50+ million doesn't guarantee anything. 

It's the decisions you make in how you use the $50+ million, plus what you do with the other crap you inherited. 

I didn't say they deserve that consideration now. I said "if".

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Psh, the odds makers really need to read this board before posting BS odds like that.  If they had, they'd have known we have one of the smartest QBs in the game.  Who also has an amazing arm given his high YPA last season.  My guess is they have only watched Fitz play and haven't studied the all knowing "stats".

Seriously though, even with Fitz at QB, we better beat Cleveland by 7+.  (Even though that may mean the defense has to shut em out.)

I'll sign up for that right now.

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$50+ million doesn't guarantee anything. 

It's the decisions you make in how you use the $50+ million, plus what you do with the other crap you inherited. 

I didn't say they deserve that consideration now. I said "if".

$50 million means you can pick up several proven FAs. I don't credit Macc/Bowles for picking up Revis. They didn't have to be creative. Same with Cro, Skrine, Gilchrist or Carpenter. 

 

He he inherited a team that needed about 2-3 solid starters on each side of the ball to be very competitive. $50 million n high draft picks better guarantee that. And when you pick the top rated draft player from your board, you better be sure he's an all-pro. 

 He has a team with 10+ starters of his choice (Revis, Cro, Skrine, Gilchrist, Carpenter, Marshall, Harris, Cumberland, Pace, Snacks, Colon etc) plus Brick, Mangold, Decker, Richardson, Mo and Coples. That's almost an entire team of starters of your choice (FAs, Resigning, Trades). Question isn't "if we are competitive". Question is if we FAIL.

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I feel the same way.

While I love the Ryan housecleaning, the moves Macca made in the offseason, and Bowles who looks like he's going to be solid, if you look at the pluses and minuses vs. last year's team you're not going to be too excited.  Defense is better but offense is basically Marshall for Harvin and that's not really enough to do cartwheels over. 

We were ranked 24th in defense, let's say we make it to 10th.  We were ranked 28th on offense, I'm feeling no better than 20th.  Special teams look bad.  Schedule is hard early on.  8-8 would be very successful with this squad methinks.

SAR I

 

Sorry but I totally disagree. Marshall is 10 times the receiver Harvin is and his presence will have a ripple effect on the entire offense.  Amaro when he returns will have a year under his belt, Devin Smith's deep threat ability offers a dimension we have lacked for years.  Decker is back and is now the number 2 receiver instead of 1. Owusu, Enunwa and or Posey are all talented players.    James Carpenter is a BEAST in the run game and should help solidify our line.    Fitz should have a calming effect on our offense and hopefully will avoid the game changing turnovers we have experienced the last few years under Geno.  Even if Geno regains his starting position at some point I fully expect him to be better in that area as well.  Lastly I think Chan Gaileys impact will be huge.  It may take a few weeks to get flowing but I think our offense can be 15-20 and defense should be top 10 if not top 5 when Sheldon Returns. 

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Sorry but I totally disagree. Marshall is 10 times the receiver Harvin is and his presence will have a ripple effect on the entire offense.  Amaro when he returns will have a year under his belt, Devin Smith's deep threat ability offers a dimension we have lacked for years.  Decker is back and is now the number 2 receiver instead of 1. Owusu, Enunwa and or Posey are all talented players.    James Carpenter is a BEAST in the run game and should help solidify our line.    Fitz should have a calming effect on our offense and hopefully will avoid the game changing turnovers we have experienced the last few years under Geno.  Even if Geno regains his starting position at some point I fully expect him to be better in that area as well.  Lastly I think Chan Gaileys impact will be huge.  It may take a few weeks to get flowing but I think our offense can be 15-20 and defense should be top 10 if not top 5 when Sheldon Returns. 

It's August so I still can believe what you say is true and I'm being overly pessimistic.  I'd be very excited to see some offense, it's been so long since I've seen what a non-dysfunctional one looks like.

As I've said since April, I think our best chance is still this:  Geno gets hurt, Fitzpatrick comes in, Testaverde 2.0  Hey, we're halfway there...

SAR I

 

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Seriously - one mistake?  More like the dope made only one right move - drafting Sheldon.

Actually, I forgot about Decker and Ivory. So he got 3 things right in 2 years. 

his mistake was not providing enough depth/talent to the receiving corp or the secondary. Let's face it, we've had far worse drafts in the past. It was the decisions (or lack of) that hurt him. 

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his mistake was not providing enough depth/talent to the receiving corp or the secondary. Let's face it, we've had far worse drafts in the past. It was the decisions (or lack of) that hurt him. 

The team was $25 million under the cap with holes galore in the secondary.  Idzik was a criminally negligent GM in addition to a horrible drafter.

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The team was $25 million under the cap with holes galore in the secondary.  Idzik was a criminally negligent GM in addition to a horrible drafter.

I don't agree with the negligent part.  he was active, he just couldn't close.  the speed and suddenness of the first 2 days of FA caught him off guard.  he wanted to bring guys in for wine and dine visits to sell the allure of NYC when the players just wanted to see big numbers

he was obsessed with value.  he just couldn't bring himself to overpay a hot commodity

he signed decker only because decker wanted a big media market

he pissed of agents when he would say he was very seriously interested during the legal tampering period only to make low ball, waste my time offers

his drafts were bad indeed, but parcells was worse.  parcells passed on a 7 time pro-bowl LT to trade down and get a LB and dedric ward.  look up parcells drafts and tell me outside of farrior and a run stuffing DT, who actually played in the NFL at even a starters level.  sheldumb is a douche, but he is a top 50 douche

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The team was $25 million under the cap with holes galore in the secondary.  Idzik was a criminally negligent GM in addition to a horrible drafter.

Yes. "Lack of" decisions in bringing in players at two crucial areas where we were already reeling. 

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Well alright then, I now have a much better 'feel' for the team and I like what I saw.

The decision-making at QB is a huge leap forward, the OL and ground game looks on track, and the D looks solid.  Coach Bowles sounds excellent, his postgame pressers are very Parcells-like, you can tell the guy means business.

Feeling good about Week 1.

SAR I

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It was a feel good game last night, but can't count on two return TDs every week. I liked the takeaways a lot, especially Marcus Williams' strip. That go after the ball mentality was never stressed under Rex. The defense will be very fun to watch this year if they continue to attack the football like that. 

Fitzpatrick was sharp, his TD to Decker was gorgeous. Ivory is in regular season form.

Be interesting to see who they trot out at QB next week. 

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Good OP. I'm also having a hard time getting a feel for this team. Actually, more accurately, I'd say I'm fighting off the feeling that this team could be a disaster. The Sheldon and Geno incidents definitely created a weird atmosphere during what could have been a very upbeat camp. Talent seems much improved, but I'm really surprised at how little "buzz" or energy I feel from this team. That seems like a bad sign ... but I'm just not clear on it yet. Year one of Mangini the team surprised -- but I had a feel that that was coming. Year one Rex was the same. Year one Bowles -- it just seems really flat. I hope that's not a reflection of the head coach. I get that he's a great defensive mind and x's and o's guy, and I get that he's very even keeled. The jury is still out on whether he's a leader in the way an NFL head coach needs to be.

 

Having said all that, last night was a good sign. Most of what I said in this post reflects what i was thinking before last night. After watching the game, I can't say my fears are all gone -- but they have been allayed to some extent.

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Well alright then, I now have a much better 'feel' for the team and I like what I saw.

The decision-making at QB is a huge leap forward, the OL and ground game looks on track, and the D looks solid.  Coach Bowles sounds excellent, his postgame pressers are very Parcells-like, you can tell the guy means business.

Feeling good about Week 1.

SAR I

Geno would have done just as well or better with the scheme weapons and especially OL pass blocking we saw last night. Fitz was very very average

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