Jet Fan RI Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 CBS Sports is reporting there was no settlement reached between Brady and the NFL today, the last day for settlement talks before the judge rules, Judge said he will rule before Friday. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25285598/no-settlement-in-nfl-versus-tom-brady-ruling-before-friday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Sorry boys Brady is playing week 1. Even if the idiot judge doesn't overturn it he can appeal and get an injunction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Sorry boys Brady is playing week 1. Even if the idiot judge doesn't overturn it he can appeal and get an injunction. Good hope the zebras call every holding penalty, and no flags for late hits on Mr Terrific.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 He's gonna skate. Accept it now and your life will be easier later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Good hope the zebras call every holding penalty, and no flags for late hits on Mr Terrific.. I think average Joe Americans are about to learn how dumb most judges really are. This is a civil district court judge afraid to make a ruling so he'll let an obvious cheater skate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Have always operated under the assumption that Brady will be playing week 1. He'll play, they'll start out 6-2 or something, he'll take a four week vaca in the middle of the season to rest up and come back rested and, dare I say, on a mission and go on to win the division for the 15th time out of 16 years or whatever the hell it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nj meadowlands Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 The best result here would be that Brady is allowed to play and goes 1-3 in the first 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 The judge already tipped his hand by openly talking about how much of an advantage could it be if they put up 28 points or whatever in 2nd half. I still don't get that this is being handled by a judge. Nice precedent, now every single suspension can be sent to a judge, right? I also don't understand that if this is being adjudicated by a judge that the NFL has not or could not ask the ball guys to testify and have brady and the boys put under oath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 The judge suggesting that they settle is the judge telling Brady to admit some guilt---something Brady does not want to do. So for the judge to now say the suspension was bogus would contradict himself. It is all about whether the judge feels he should be determining athletic league suspensions. Which he may have to do from now on if he sets this precedent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Sorry boys Brady is playing week 1. Even if the idiot judge doesn't overturn it he can appeal and get an injunction. If he loses it would be very tough for him to get an injunction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 He's gonna skate. Accept it now and your life will be easier later. TRANSLATE: Goodell isnt done swallowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I think average Joe Americans are about to learn how dumb most judges really are. This is a civil district court judge afraid to make a ruling so he'll let an obvious cheater skate. He is a United States District Court Judge. He hears both criminal and civil matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 The judge suggesting that they settle is the judge telling Brady to admit some guilt---something Brady does not want to do. So for the judge to now say the suspension was bogus would contradict himself. It is all about whether the judge feels he should be determining athletic league suspensions. Which he may have to do from now on if he sets this precedent. Dude most Civil Court Judges want as much of their docket as possible to be settled because they hate making rulings due to fear of being overturned on appeal. The evidence against Brady is circumstantial so the Judge is probably worried he's going to be overturned on appeal so he'll let the little weasel off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 The judge already tipped his hand by openly talking about how much of an advantage could it be if they put up 28 points or whatever in 2nd half. I still don't get that this is being handled by a judge. Nice precedent, now every single suspension can be sent to a judge, right? I also don't understand that if this is being adjudicated by a judge that the NFL has not or could not ask the ball guys to testify and have brady and the boys put under oath. He was trying to get the parties to settle so he was trying to convince the NFL that they potentially had a lot to lose by not settling. I wouldn't read too much into the comments that he made at the settlement hearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Dude most Civil Court Judges want as much of their docket as possible to be settled because they hate making rulings due to fear of being overturned on appeal. The evidence against Brady is circumstantial so the Judge is probably worried he's going to be overturned on appeal so he'll let the little weasel off. If he really was afraid of getting flipped the easiest thing for him to do would be to affirm the suspension. Arbitration rulings are usually only reversed in the most unusual circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 The best result here would be that Brady is allowed to play and goes 1-3 in the first 4 Wouldn't 0-4 be better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 If he really was afraid of getting flipped the easiest thing for him to do would be to affirm the suspension. Arbitration rulings are usually only reversed in the most unusual circumstances. Because the Unions normally don't want to spend the money appealing. Kraft and Brady don't care and they have financial motive to appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCEastFan Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Brady is not going to win this case. In the unlikely event that Berman rules in his favor, the 2nd Circuit will tip him on appeal. As Senator Trent would say, you can take that to the bank. That said, not sure I'm getting the angst. The drop-off between Brady and Jimmy G is not likely to translate to much difference in the W/L column for just the first 4 games. The Patriots aren't getting back their future #1 and #4. And nobody's mind is going to be changed about Brady (for good or for bad) regardless of what Berman's decision says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmajet Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 There has been a lot of talk up here about it, and several radio stations have hosted labor lawyers to discuss the case. A couple of points (from them) 1. The case isn't about guilt or innocence of Brady, so if the NFL wins or Brady wins has little to do with Guilt/Non-guilt. That is one of the reasons other's haven't testified 2. Many concluded that the Judge thinks the NFL couldn't have handled this any worse if they tried, but the issue at hand is whether or not the NFL followed the CBA and Labor law, not whether Goodell is a dumb .... or whether Brady is guilty. They also said that he didn't want to rule, because he is likely on Brady's side as far as a crap investigation, but the CBA and labor law is clear and that the NFL didn't violate either. So, his choice is to free Brady and have the NFL appeal (and win) or side with the NFL; Both suck for a judge - hence his push for a settlement. Take it for what it is, but this is what some of I have heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleDown Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 This is good news because the NFL is not backing down from their ruling and subsequent punishment, which is Brady's only realistic chance of getting a reduced suspension. I would be absolutely shocked if a federal judge overturns the punishment handed down by a private entity such as the NFL which was made in accordance with a legally binding CBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Sorry boys Brady is playing week 1. Even if the idiot judge doesn't overturn it he can appeal and get an injunction. Didn't both sides say they would accept this judge's ruling and not appeal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 There has been a lot of talk up here about it, and several radio stations have hosted labor lawyers to discuss the case. A couple of points (from them) 1. The case isn't about guilt or innocence of Brady, so if the NFL wins or Brady wins has little to do with Guilt/Non-guilt. That is one of the reasons other's haven't testified 2. Many concluded that the Judge thinks the NFL couldn't have handled this any worse if they tried, but the issue at hand is whether or not the NFL followed the CBA and Labor law, not whether Goodell is a dumb .... or whether Brady is guilty. They also said that he didn't want to rule, because he is likely on Brady's side as far as a crap investigation, but the CBA and labor law is clear and that the NFL didn't violate either. So, his choice is to free Brady and have the NFL appeal (and win) or side with the NFL; Both suck for a judge - hence his push for a settlement. Take it for what it is, but this is what some of I have heard. I have been saying basically this for some time. A lot of people have been distracted by all the harsh questioning that the Judge gave the NFL's lawyer, forgetting that it was a settlement conference. If you are in a mediation a Judge will virtually always tell you that your case sucks, whether it does or not. It is part of trying to convince you that you have something to lose by going all the way. The Judge could flip it but unlikely, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 You actually believe Brady? If he loses he can appeal and get an injunction from the Circuit Court and the appeal wouldn't be heard until AFTER the end of next season. This is AROD all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 You actually believe Brady? If he loses he can appeal and get an injunction from the Circuit Court and the appeal wouldn't be heard until AFTER the end of next season. This is AROD all over again. You keep saying this but what makes you think he could get an injunction? Injunctions are generally granted to preserve the status quo, not to overturn it. He would have to demonstrate a likelihood of success on the merits. Do you really think that is likely to happen if he has lost three times in a row? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmajet Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 You actually believe Brady? If he loses he can appeal and get an injunction from the Circuit Court and the appeal wouldn't be heard until AFTER the end of next season. This is AROD all over again. Umm; I never said that? I think Goodell is a jack...; the league did a sh... job and that at a bare minimum Brady is hiding something. I just said some lawyers said it wasn't about guilt or innocence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Hate to break it to you guys but the NFL's case does suck. Seriously and I hate the Patriots but what do we have? Text messages from third parties implicating Brady and underinflated balls with no chain of custody and as ridiculous as the fair weather Pats fans "scientific" explanations are I've seen judges buy even crappier arguments. Goodell is an incompetent Commissioner. The second Brady destroyed his cell phone he should have charged him with obstructing the investigation and made that the basis for the suspension not the underinflated footballs crap. Capone didn't get put in jail for killing people or being a gangster he got put in jail for tax evasion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Umm; I never said that? I think Goodell is a jack...; the league did a sh... job and that at a bare minimum Brady is hiding something. I just said some lawyers said it wasn't about guilt or innocence. Sorry man I was actually quoting Klecko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmajet Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Sorry man I was actually quoting Klecko. No worries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Hate to break it to you guys but the NFL's case does suck. Seriously and I hate the Patriots but what do we have? Text messages from third parties implicating Brady and underinflated balls with no chain of custody and as ridiculous as the fair weather Pats fans "scientific" explanations are I've seen judges buy even crappier arguments. Goodell is an incompetent Commissioner. The second Brady destroyed his cell phone he should have charged him with obstructing the investigation and made that the basis for the suspension not the underinflated footballs crap. Capone didn't get put in jail for killing people or being a gangster he got put in jail for tax evasion. Again, this appeal is not about the strength of the NFL's case, as much as it is about whether the NFL followed its own procedures, as collectively bargained. The NFL does not need a "strong" case to prevail. This case is about deference to arbitrator's rulings. Generally, an arbitrator's decision has to be outrageous to be overruled by a court. I don't think this ruling falls into that category (but I have been wrong before). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Fan RI Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 I think average Joe Americans are about to learn how dumb most judges really are. This is a civil district court judge afraid to make a ruling so he'll let an obvious cheater skate. Wouldn't a judge with no courage simply uphold the commissioner's authority under the CBA, and thus allow the 4-game suspension to stand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Hate to break it to you guys but the NFL's case does suck. Seriously and I hate the Patriots but what do we have? Text messages from third parties implicating Brady and underinflated balls with no chain of custody and as ridiculous as the fair weather Pats fans "scientific" explanations are I've seen judges buy even crappier arguments. Goodell is an incompetent Commissioner. The second Brady destroyed his cell phone he should have charged him with obstructing the investigation and made that the basis for the suspension not the underinflated footballs crap. Capone didn't get put in jail for killing people or being a gangster he got put in jail for tax evasion. The judge is not ruling on the merits of the case. The judge is ruling whether or not Goodell was within his rights via the CBA. Brady literally has no case. Demaurice Smith saw to that when he chose not to challenge Goodell's authority during the last negotiation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Sorry man I was actually quoting Klecko. Yeah, and I didn't say anything about the NFL's case. I said I had read that both parties had agreed to abide by this judge's ruling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Brady is not going to win this case. In the unlikely event that Berman rules in his favor, the 2nd Circuit will tip him on appeal. As Senator Trent would say, you can take that to the bank. That said, not sure I'm getting the angst. The drop-off between Brady and Jimmy G is not likely to translate to much difference in the W/L column for just the first 4 games. The Patriots aren't getting back their future #1 and #4. And nobody's mind is going to be changed about Brady (for good or for bad) regardless of what Berman's decision says. A 1990 Steven Seagal movie reference? Wow. Mason Storm lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Fan RI Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 Dude most Civil Court Judges want as much of their docket as possible to be settled because they hate making rulings due to fear of being overturned on appeal. The evidence against Brady is circumstantial so the Judge is probably worried he's going to be overturned on appeal so he'll let the little weasel off. Fear of being overturned is exactly why he should effectively do nothing, and just let the suspension stand. That would also avoid setting a precedent that has some folks worried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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