NYs Stepchild Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I have no doubt the Pats have tried more things to bend rules but I also have no doubt the other 31 teams try the same things. Not NE's fault they do it and win and others do it and don't win. Thanks to the Patriots that's what everyone thinks. That the entire league is cheating. If they just got a slap on the wrist that would continue to be the perception. That logic didn't work for Rodger Clemons, and it's not going to work for Brady. Everyone will not be doing it anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Roger definitely has the full support of the other owners. probably at least 25 of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Thanks to the Patriots that's what everyone thinks. That the entire league is cheating. If they just got a slap on the wrist that would continue to be the perception. That logic didn't work for Rodger Clemons, and it's not going to work for Brady. Everyone will not be doing it anymore. Trust me, every team is looking for an edge. whether it was using stickum way back when or bill walsh messing w/ headsets or not covering a field w/ a tarp. teams always look for any edge they can gain. comparing using PEDs to a slight deflation of a football is a bit of a stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/tom-brady-gisele-bundchen-marriage-trouble-report-article-1.2345561 Tom Brady, Gisele Bundchen may be heading for divorce over DeflateGate pressures: report "Things are very tense right now. This could be the end of them." Rumors that the QB was close to fumbling his marriage first began with an OK! Magazine cover story last month with another anonymous source claiming, "Things between Tom and Gisele have been strained for a long time... they've been plagued by the same problem (for years)." Homosexuality is not a "problem" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmajet Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Trust me, every team is looking for an edge. whether it was using stickum way back when or bill walsh messing w/ headsets or not covering a field w/ a tarp. teams always look for any edge they can gain. comparing using PEDs to a slight deflation of a football is a bit of a stretch. 1. I think there is a difference between looking for an advantage and plain out cheating. When the Pats used the weird formation against the Ravens that was pushing the envelope. What Minn did with the footballs (putting them in front of the heaters) is an equipment violation (it wasn't explicitly forbidden) but they got caught and fined; Inflating balls, having them inspected and then deflating them is outright Cheating. It is doctoring the balls with an intent to hide it. 2. If a SLIGHT deflation of the balls isn't a big advantage then why do it? Really, if the Pats didn't think it was going to help, they wouldn't risked getting caught 3. I am tired of the everyone cheats BS; if anyone thinks it is okay because everyone cheats try this experiment: Take you car and drive it 15 MPH above the speed limit, when you get pulled over yell at the cop that everyone does it and then refuse to cooperate - see what that gets you; I assume that he will just let you go (sarcasm). 4. People complain about the investigation, how long this has taken and that Brady was dragged through the mud; consider this, if every team is looking for an edge and this was all that it was, why not fess up when it happened. You didn't hear Atlanta and Cleveland whining this year when they got caught. They admitted it, took their punishment and it was over. When the Pats got caught, the complained, stalled, destroyed evidence, and failed to cooperate. Had the Pats pushed the deflator under the bus and admitted it instead of hiding them, this would have been over months ago and the punishments would have been much much smaller. Why if the Pats are soooooo good do they need to cheat so much? If it wasn't for the Pats arrogance about with the NFL (you tell me what you want to ask these guys and I will see if I will allow it). They never admitted to doing anything wrong (in fact BB never admitted to wrong doing in SpyGate); the fought this every step of the way and then complain that they get slammed. Man up and take your punishment... it will go easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 1. I think there is a difference between looking for an advantage and plain out cheating. When the Pats used the weird formation against the Ravens that was pushing the envelope. What Minn did with the footballs (putting them in front of the heaters) is an equipment violation (it wasn't explicitly forbidden) but they got caught and fined; Inflating balls, having them inspected and then deflating them is outright Cheating. It is doctoring the balls with an intent to hide it. 2. If a SLIGHT deflation of the balls isn't a big advantage then why do it? Really, if the Pats didn't think it was going to help, they wouldn't risked getting caught 3. I am tired of the everyone cheats BS; if anyone thinks it is okay because everyone cheats try this experiment: Take you car and drive it 15 MPH above the speed limit, when you get pulled over yell at the cop that everyone does it and then refuse to cooperate - see what that gets you; I assume that he will just let you go (sarcasm). 4. People complain about the investigation, how long this has taken and that Brady was dragged through the mud; consider this, if every team is looking for an edge and this was all that it was, why not fess up when it happened. You didn't hear Atlanta and Cleveland whining this year when they got caught. They admitted it, took their punishment and it was over. When the Pats got caught, the complained, stalled, destroyed evidence, and failed to cooperate. Had the Pats pushed the deflator under the bus and admitted it instead of hiding them, this would have been over months ago and the punishments would have been much much smaller. Why if the Pats are soooooo good do they need to cheat so much? If it wasn't for the Pats arrogance about with the NFL (you tell me what you want to ask these guys and I will see if I will allow it). They never admitted to doing anything wrong (in fact BB never admitted to wrong doing in SpyGate); the fought this every step of the way and then complain that they get slammed. Man up and take your punishment... it will go easier. QBs like balls at different levels, some like it overinflated(Rodgers likes it overinflated, is that cheating?) and some under. it's not a big deal, I like how they are starting to discuss WR gloves which have basically been legal cheating for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 we don't know that, there really isn't evidence to support it being anything other than a witch hunt by the league. the walk through myth is just that but people read false info and it spreads and they believe it to where people think it is fact. it's hard for people to admit b/c we all hate the Pats but they earned all of their SB titles. No evidence, but only because Roger destroyed it. People in the know seem to know it happened. And the Pats' fumble rate since the rule change is inexplicable, except if the systematic deflation of the balls is factored in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Trust me, every team is looking for an edge. whether it was using stickum way back when or bill walsh messing w/ headsets or not covering a field w/ a tarp. teams always look for any edge they can gain. comparing using PEDs to a slight deflation of a football is a bit of a stretch. The Patriots are renowned for headset issues at Gillette. Just another in their bag of tricks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmajet Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 QBs like QBs at different levels, some like it overinflated(Rodgers likes it overinflated, is that cheating?) and some under. it's not a big deal, I like how they are starting to discuss WR gloves which have basically been legal cheating for a long time. Yes QBs like the ball to be inflated differently; that is not a crime. The rule allows for some variation. Overinflated is 't cheating if it in the proper range. The problem is that this variation was too much; worse, if they did what they are accused of, they inflated the ball correctly, got it inspected, and then altered it. I don't know what Brady knew or didn't know before the fact, but it appears he has been helping to cover it up since then. Wearing the gloves isn't illegal, yet so no harm, no foul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCEastFan Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 No evidence, but only because Roger destroyed it. People in the know seem to know it happened. And the Pats' fumble rate since the rule change is inexplicable, except if the systematic deflation of the balls is factored in. People in the know like Marshall Faulk, who couldn't believe that the Patriots somehow figured out that Mike Martz was trying to go to him on just about every key play. Hard to believe that the Patriots D would target the Rams most dangerous and multi-dimensional weapon without the benefit of an illicit walk-though tape. Sarcasm aside, I'm still trying to understand why people think the systematic deflation somehow started when the rule change occurred. Is that just because of the fumble rates? Because there is nothing about the rule change that would affect the Patriots ability to deflate the balls -- and indeed, the Colts had previously accused them of ball deflation on the sidelines in 2004. Where were the great fumble rates in those days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCEastFan Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 3. I am tired of the everyone cheats BS; if anyone thinks it is okay because everyone cheats try this experiment: Take you car and drive it 15 MPH above the speed limit, when you get pulled over yell at the cop that everyone does it and then refuse to cooperate - see what that gets you; I assume that he will just let you go (sarcasm). You will be immediately outed as a non-Patriots fan (I'm sure that would be horrible, lol) if you try to pass off that characterization of the "everybody does it defense". As all true Pats fans know, the everybody does it defense does not go to liability -- it goes to the magnitude of punishment and the accompanying self-righteous indignation. So, the more accurate experiment would be if the cop, after he pulls you over for speeding, berates you for what a horrible person you are, says repeatedly that you are violating the "integrity of the road", then arrests you and impounds your car. At that point, I think it's fair to say, "c'mon man, everyone does it". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 You will be immediately outed as a non-Patriots fan (I'm sure that would be horrible, lol) if you try to pass off that characterization of the "everybody does it defense". As all true Pats fans know, the everybody does it defense does not go to liability -- it goes to the magnitude of punishment and the accompanying self-righteous indignation. So, the more accurate experiment would be if the cop, after he pulls you over for speeding, berates you for what a horrible person you are, says repeatedly that you are violating the "integrity of the road", then arrests you and impounds your car. At that point, I think it's fair to say, "c'mon man, everyone does it". what a horse sh!t analogy. And Pats fans are not (N-O-T) using the "everyone does it" B.S. as a response to the penalty. They are using it to justify the Patriot's horrid history of cheating and alleged cheating. Crappy post dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 2m2 minutes ago Tom Brady beats NFL in `Deflategate' court case, judge nullifies league's 4-game suspension. and all of this was a complete waste of time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCEastFan Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 what a horse sh!t analogy. And Pats fans are not (N-O-T) using the "everyone does it" B.S. as a response to the penalty. They are using it to justify the Patriot's horrid history of cheating and alleged cheating. Crappy post dude. My bad -- I guess my curve ball just isn't breaking right now. In my defense, I do not frequent the sites where those arguments are likely to be made and most of the Pats fans I do know are so hung up on the idea that Brady is innocent that we never even get to the "everybody does it" discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 JUdge overturned it. What a freaking waste of time that was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCEastFan Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 2m2 minutes ago Tom Brady beats NFL in `Deflategate' court case, judge nullifies league's 4-game suspension. and all of this was a complete waste of time If that's true, that is a huge surprise. Not over yet by a long shot, though -- I have to believe the 2d Circuit will tip it on appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost_in_pads02 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 If that's true, that is a huge surprise. Not over yet by a long shot, though -- I have to believe the 2d Circuit will tip it on appeal. Yea you were so sure the NFL was gonna win this case. I guess not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 And now you have a vindicated Tom Brady that is angry and wanting to prove himself. Give the Patriots the AFC championship right now, so we don't have to waste anymore time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Let's see if the NFL takes it to the 2nd Circuit Court of appeals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Let's see if the NFL takes it to the 2nd Circuit Court of appeals. Even if they want to, what's the point? Their reputation is in ruins. Nobody can take them seriously anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 And now you have a vindicated Tom Brady that is angry and wanting to prove himself. Give the Patriots the AFC championship right now, so we don't have to waste anymore time Shut up. Brady is a competition junkie anyway. This isn't going to give him Popeye muscles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Tom Brady wins Deflategate appeal against NFL, judge rules 2m - NFL TOM BRADY +1 more ESPN.com news services 0Shares Email Print Comment Tom Brady has beaten the NFL in the "Deflategate" court case, with U.S. District Court Judge Richard Berman nullifying the league's four-game suspension Thursday. Berman announced his decision after the sides failed to reach a settlement after several weeks of talks. Brady's suspension originally was upheld by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell in July after an appeal. Brady, meanwhile, repeatedly had disputed the league's ruling that he and Patriots equipment staff colluded to deflate footballs before New England's 45-7 victory over Indianapolis in last season's AFC Championship Game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4V0TYIO6yv4 can somebody embed this for me it won't work on my phone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCEastFan Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Yea you were so sure the NFL was gonna win this case. I guess not. Lester Munson and I went to the same law school, so I blame the pro-business curriculum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmajet Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 You will be immediately outed as a non-Patriots fan (I'm sure that would be horrible, lol) if you try to pass off that characterization of the "everybody does it defense". As all true Pats fans know, the everybody does it defense does not go to liability -- it goes to the magnitude of punishment and the accompanying self-righteous indignation. So, the more accurate experiment would be if the cop, after he pulls you over for speeding, berates you for what a horrible person you are, says repeatedly that you are violating the "integrity of the road", then arrests you and impounds your car. At that point, I think it's fair to say, "c'mon man, everyone does it". Actually, in MA if you are speeding fast enough, they can arrest you and impound the car. Not saying NFL is right, just everyone does it isn't an excuse for not being punished. But I get your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 would the NFL suspend brady for the super bowl ? http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13980063/nfl-files-brief-2nd-circuit-outlining-appeal-tom-brady-decision The NFL filed a 59-page brief Monday stating its case in the league's appeal of the Tom Brady case to the the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit. The league argues in its brief that commissioner Roger Goodell acted within his discretion under the CBA to suspend the Patriots quarterback for four games, and that the district court that overturned the decision "vastly exceeded" the narrow bounds of its review. The brief maintains that "significant evidence linked (Brady) to the deflation scheme," which was "aimed at gaining an unfair competitive advantage on the field." It says the scheme was devised to avoid detection by game officials." According to the schedule set by the court, a Brady reply is due Dec. 7 and an NFL reply to that Dec. 21. Arguments in the appeal are expected "as early as week of Feb. 1." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 NFL is paying Brady back with lack of holding calls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCEastFan Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 would the NFL suspend brady for the super bowl ? http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13980063/nfl-files-brief-2nd-circuit-outlining-appeal-tom-brady-decision The NFL filed a 59-page brief Monday stating its case in the league's appeal of the Tom Brady case to the the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit. The league argues in its brief that commissioner Roger Goodell acted within his discretion under the CBA to suspend the Patriots quarterback for four games, and that the district court that overturned the decision "vastly exceeded" the narrow bounds of its review. The brief maintains that "significant evidence linked (Brady) to the deflation scheme," which was "aimed at gaining an unfair competitive advantage on the field." It says the scheme was devised to avoid detection by game officials." According to the schedule set by the court, a Brady reply is due Dec. 7 and an NFL reply to that Dec. 21. Arguments in the appeal are expected "as early as week of Feb. 1." Super Bowl 51 maybe. The 2nd Circuit is not going to issue an opinion on the spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Super Bowl 51 maybe. The 2nd Circuit is not going to issue an opinion on the spot. NFL could reply Dec 8th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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