kelly Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Jace Amaro's unfortunate shoulder injury, which landed him on season-ending injured reserve, got me thinking about the New York Jets' dark history of second-round picks. This isn't to suggest that Amaro is ready for the scrap heap -- this is only his second season -- but you can't help but notice the 40-year trendTwo of the greatest players in Jets history were second-round picks -- wide receiver Wesley Walker (1977) and defensive end Mark Gastineau (1979). In fact, Gastineau is the most recent second-rounder to make the Pro Bowl. Justin Miller (2005) made it once as a kick returner, but he was the quintessential flash-in-the-pan player, as his career lasted only 46 games.From Gastineau to the current second-rounder, Devin Smith, the Jets have used 32 picks in the second round and not one has made the Pro Bowl at an offensive or defensive position. Call it bad drafting, call it rotten luck, call it whatever. It's just mind boggling. This might be painful, but here's a review of the good, bad and ugly -- mostly, the latter two : THE BUSTS Stephen Hill (2012), Vladimir Ducasse (2010), Miller (2005), Victor Hobson (2003), Dorian Boose (1998), Reggie Terry (1997), Alex Van Dyke (1996), Ryan Yarborough (1994), Coleman Rudolph (1993), Kurt Barber (1992), Browning Nagle (1991), Reggie Rembert (1990), Terry Williams (1988), Alex Gordon (1987), Doug Williams (1986), Glenn Dennison (1984). NOT ENOUGH BANG FOR THE BUCK Kellen Clemens (2006), Jon McGraw (2002), LaMont Jordan (2001), Lester Lyles (1985), Johnny Hector (1983), Marion Barber (1981). SOLID CHOICES David Harris (2007), Mike Nugent (2005), Randy Thomas (1999), Matt O'Dwyer (1995), Dennis Byrd (1989), Jim Sweeney (1984), Reggie McElroy (1982), Darrol Ray (1980). JURY STILL OUT Amaro (2014), Geno Smith (2013). > http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/53760/jace-amaro-injury-a-reminder-of-jets-second-round-curse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nj meadowlands Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 oy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Only in Jets land are there still people who consider selecting a kicker in the 2nd round as a solid choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 This is one of the craziest things I've seen in a while. To see it compiled like that is terribly sad. I've had such high hopes for so many of the names on that list. Ryan Yarborough. lol Mcgraw used to knock himself out he would hit people so hard. I liked that guy. Dorian Boose actually led all rookies in sacks in the preseason his first year with 5 I think. I was so chubbed up for him after that and he did nothing. And to think we cut Fanneca the minute we picked Ducasse. Shows just how ass backwards the Tanny regime was at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Sad thing is, they weren't really busts. They were over drafted, and just about everyone knew it except the Jets front office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Didnt realize Kellen Clemens was a 2nd rounder. That's a bust pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuler82 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Can't argue about their lack of results, but Hobson wasn't a bust, and I'd say Hector was a really solid RB. So there's that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Seems like a goofy list to me. Alex Gordon was a solid contributor and starting LB for several years. Nagle was at least the starting QB for a season. Clemens is a career backup, I don't see any real difference in their production. Stephen HIll is a bust as a starting WR, but to list him with guys like Yarborough and Van Dyke isn't really fair. Those guys gave nothing and that says nothing of Rembert who held out and never played a down for the team. They traded him for Joe Kelly when they picked up Rob Moore in the supplemental draft. I liked Marion Barber. He ran okay, but would fumble. Not a good pick, but a phenomenal special teams player. I hated Boose, but mostly because he was the Parcells answer as pass rusher after he ran Hugh Douglas out of town for a bag of balls. Actually, I looked it up, they got a 2nd (the Boose pick) and fifth for him, but check this out: $700k! I though they had gotten two mid-late round picks, but the NYT says 2nd and 5th . And finally, with Douglas gone, the Jets' salary cap will be reduced. Douglas, a first-round draft pick in 1995, was scheduled to make slightly more than $700,000 for the 1998 season. http://www.nytimes.com/1998/03/14/sports/football-jets-douglas-deemed-an-ill-fit-is-traded-to-the-eagles-for-picks.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Seems like a goofy list to me. Alex Gordon was a solid contributor and starting LB for several years. Nagle was at least the starting QB for a season. Clemens is a career backup, I don't see any real difference in their production. Stephen HIll is a bust as a starting WR, but to list him with guys like Yarborough and Van Dyke isn't really fair. Those guys gave nothing and that says nothing of Rembert who held out and never played a down for the team. They traded him for Joe Kelly when they picked up Rob Moore in the supplemental draft. I liked Marion Barber. He ran okay, but would fumble. Not a good pick, but a phenomenal special teams player. I hated Boose, but mostly because he was the Parcells answer as pass rusher after he ran Hugh Douglas out of town for a bag of balls. Actually, I looked it up, they got a 2nd (the Boose pick) and fifth for him, but check this out: $700k! I though they had gotten two mid-late round picks, but the NYT says 2nd and 5th Truly, an incredible rationalization talent you have there. You managed to take several players who in reality, were varying degrees of suck... and made them seem like underachieving, part-time contributors. They are the same thing. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuler82 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Truly, an incredible rationalization talent you have there. You managed to take several players who in reality, were varying degrees of suck... and made them seem like underachieving, part-time contributors. As Jets fans, that's all we've got.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Truly, an incredible rationalization talent you have there. You managed to take several players who in reality, were varying degrees of suck... and made them seem like underachieving, part-time contributors. Not sure I get it. They were underachieving part time contributors. I didn't mean to say they drafted well or these guys didn't belong on the bust list, I just don't see how a guy is okay with a kicker and Jon McGraw who started like 7 games as a Jet, but not Alex Gordon.. How does Clemens get a better rating than Nagle? They did all suck. It's just a matter of determining degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliforniaJet Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Pain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodeawhodat Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 we should just trade our second round pick for multiple 4th round picks. I think that was where the strength of our drafting success has come from(relatively speaking of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Didnt realize Kellen Clemens was a 2nd rounder. That's a bust pick. I disagree. Kellen never got a chance here and has been a solid player in the NFL. Maybe not a star but it was far from a bad pick and things might have been different if he had been given a real shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 we should just trade our second round pick for multiple 4th round picks. I think that was where the strength of our drafting success has come from(relatively speaking of course). I think they put an end to that with the 2014 draft. #thanksidzik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodeawhodat Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I think they put an end to that with the 2014 draft. #thanksidzik we had a good run for a while... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Savage and I nailed this down weeks ago. NOT new news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodeawhodat Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Savage and I nailed this down weeks ago. NOT new news. in my defense, the coolade was delicious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Whats your definition of solid? His numbers are brutal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Whats your definition of solid? His numbers are brutal. I moved my bowels and it was solid...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 We can do the same thing with the 1st round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I moved my bowels and it was solid...... I moved my bowels and it was solid...... I drink too much and like spicy food. I haven't had a solid bowel movement since I was 14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlife33 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 The whole team is cursed, never mind the 2nd round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 We also traded a second rounder for Justin McCareins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 This is one of the craziest things I've seen in a while. To see it compiled like that is terribly sad. I've had such high hopes for so many of the names on that list. Ryan Yarborough. lol Mcgraw used to knock himself out he would hit people so hard. I liked that guy. Dorian Boose actually led all rookies in sacks in the preseason his first year with 5 I think. I was so chubbed up for him after that and he did nothing. And to think we cut Fanneca the minute we picked Ducasse. Shows just how ass backwards the Tanny regime was at times. I compiled it 2 years ago after we picked Geno. I wanted to punch myself in the face after... because I used it to make the argument that "picking Geno can't be a waste of a pick compared to how poorly we've used 2nd rounders over our history". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I compiled it 2 years ago after we picked Geno. I wanted to punch myself in the face after... because I used it to make the argument that "picking Geno can't be a waste of a pick compared to how poorly we've used 2nd rounders over our history". It's truly one of the most thorough examples of sucktitude in the history of the game. The only thing worse may be our 1st rd pick history. Ps.. you should gone through with it and punched yourself in the face by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 It's truly one of the most thorough examples of sucktitude in the history of the game. The only thing worse may be our 1st rd pick history. Ps.. you should gone through with it and punched yourself in the face by the way. He had to stand in line too many people ahead of him.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Only in Jets land are there still people who consider selecting a kicker in the 2nd round as a solid choice I've never met one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 In what world is a mediocre kicker a solid pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 He had to stand in line too many people ahead of him.. LOL Probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 We also traded a second rounder for Justin McCareins. still not worse than the doug jolley trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 In what world is a mediocre kicker a solid pick? Yeah, at first glance, I'm definitely swapping Hector and Nugent's places on that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 Sad thing is, they weren't really busts. They were over drafted, and just about everyone knew it except the Jets front office. yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Victor Hobson started for years. I think he got a second contract and kept starting through Mangini. Not a great pick, but he does not really belong in the same spot on that list as guys that never played a down. He was a late second, but looks much worse in light of the fact that the next three picks included Boldin and Osi and Lance Briggs wasn't taken much later. He probably belongs in the Jalen Sauders thread as another guy that was going to flourish under Belichick, but he never even made it out of camp with the Pats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 THE BUSTS ~ ~ Browning Nagle (1991)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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