SoFlaJets Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 It has only taken us since the 2000 season but Brandon Marshall according to Ryan Fitzpatrick on Jets Open Mic "Always wants me to throw him the ball". Sort of reminds one of a certain book title doesn't it? I thought we had done it when Braylon Edwards was signed but mysteriously the Rex Ryan/Mike Tannenbaum led Jets never saw the importance of having a dominant player who COULD deliver, instead opting for troublemakers who helped in destroying what was once an almost-there team. Here are some of the players who were brought in to try and make up for the chasm that KJ's departure left; (noting that we already had Chrebet, Coles, and Dedric Ward here) 2000-Vincent Brisby, Dwight Stone, Windrell Hayes (draftee) 2001-Mathew Hatchette, Kevin Swayne, Craig Yeast 2002-Santana Moss (non-factor in his rookie year due to injury) 2003- Curtis Conway, Jonathan Carter, Kevin Lockett 2004-Justin McCairens, Jerricho Cotchery 2005- Lav. Coles (brought back) Doug Jolley (hybrid crappy TE/WR/FB)<----ultimate failure 2006-Brad Smith, Wallace Wright 2007-nothing new 2008-Chansi Stuckey, 2009-Braylon Edwards, David Clowney, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nj meadowlands Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 We have had good receivers here since Keyshawn--maybe even better. Chrebet, Coles, Cotchery, and even Braylon Edwards and Santonio Holmes. But, I agree that Brandon Marshall is the best receiver we have had here in a very long time. Maybe since Don Maynard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Key was good but overrated IMO. Almost always had to catch the ball in the EZ or he wasn't gonna' score. Not very fast, not very strong, but had great hands and could pluck the ball out of a crowd with the best of 'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 It is amazing how big of a difference Marshall has made to the perception of the offense and it's performance. Think about it, in the first two games Marshall has faced Joe Haden & Vontae Davis and beaten up both of them. In previous years facing those type of corners would've shutdown our passing game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick34125 Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 brandon marshall has been really special so far. that strip fumble recovery after the interception against the browns in week one and then dragging three colts defenders into the endzone with him. absolutely fun to watch play. he will make fitzpatrick and decker better as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Key was good but overrated IMO. Almost always had to catch the ball in the EZ or he wasn't gonna' score. Not very fast, not very strong, but had great hands and could pluck the ball out of a crowd with the best of 'em. Key was underrated by Jet fans especially those that thought Chrebet was anywhere near as good(or better) as Key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Key was underrated by Jet fans especially those that thought Chrebet was anywhere near as good(or better) as Key. He was above average, but not anywhere near as good as you'd want from a number one overall pick, and a million miles from being anywhere near as good as he thinks he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 He was above average, but not anywhere near as good as you'd want from a number one overall pick, and a million miles from being anywhere near as good as he thinks he was. he was a top WR for many years and we never really found a player than could replicate what Key could do until Braylon 10 years later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Key was underrated by Jet fans especially those that thought Chrebet was anywhere near as good(or better) as Key. KJ was the first pick in the 1996 draft Wayne was a UDFA in 1995 of course he didn't have the physical talent of KJ but when it came to heart and being a tough player IMO he was better.. If people hate Rex because of his mouth how can you like KJ who bad mouthed his own teammate?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 he was a top WR for many years and we never really found a player than could replicate what Key could do until Braylon 10 years later. He could catch the ball, but could never break a tackle or make somebody miss and score. He had to be standing in the EZ when he already caught the ball to score the overwhelming majority of the time. Just goes to show how bad our WR's have been through the years that we haven't been able to replace our most above average receiver in recent(ish) memory. He did have a big catch and run against the Pats once but that was on Tom Tupa's first pass after Vinny went out and the Jets went play-action when they expected Tupa to just hand off and the DB took the bait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Even with Marshall we havent replaced Keyshawn. Marshalls not a long term solution. He is in the twilight of his career. we need a guy whos young and that we can build around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Marshall and Decker have the potential to be just as good as Keyshawn and Chrebet as a duo, maybe even better. And that excites me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 KJ was the first pick in the 1996 draft Wayne was a UDFA in 1995 of course he didn't have the physical talent of KJ but when it came to heart and being a tough player IMO he was better.. If people hate Rex because of his mouth how can you like KJ who bad mouthed his own teammate?? Key had heart, just b/c he talked doesn't mean he didn't. Key and Wayne complimented each other perfectly on the field but key as far and away our best WR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Marshall and Decker have the potential to be just as good as Keyshawn and Chrebet as a duo, maybe even better. And that excites me. They should absolutely be better...they're both just much better players. Marshall can make plays after the catch and Decker is a much bigger/physical receiver than Chrebet was. If Decker is a go, I expect both to top 100 yards this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 He could catch the ball, but could never break a tackle or make somebody miss and score. He had to be standing in the EZ when he already caught the ball to score the overwhelming majority of the time. Just goes to show how bad our WR's have been through the years that we haven't been able to replace our most above average receiver in recent(ish) memory. He did have a big catch and run against the Pats once but that was on Tom Tupa's first pass after Vinny went out and the Jets went play-action when they expected Tupa to just hand off and the DB took the bait. that's not true, he did that many times. he was a huge target in the RZ and caught a lot of fades but to say he never broke tackles or made people miss isn't fair. I recall that Tupa play and he made Tupa and Ray Lucas look like NFL QBs. he was great in 1999 when Vinny went down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 that's not true, he did that many times. he was a huge target in the RZ and caught a lot of fades but to say he never broke tackles or made people miss isn't fair. I recall that Tupa play and he made Tupa and Ray Lucas look like NFL QBs. he was great in 1999 when Vinny went down. I'd say 1,100 yds and 8 touchdowns falls short of "great", but to each his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Key was underrated by Jet fans especially those that thought Chrebet was anywhere near as good(or better) as Key. One guy was drafted number one; the other was undrafted. Hard not to root for the little guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I'd say 1,100 yds and 8 touchdowns falls short of "great", but to each his own. Hey 3.5 ypc and 8 td's was considered great in 1998, so if a fan loves a certain player any stat the player does will be great.. I always wondered if Cotchery was great like many Jet fans said what was Jerry Rice?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I'd say 1,100 yds and 8 touchdowns falls short of "great", but to each his own. when Tom Tupa, Rick Mirer and ray Lucas are your QBs that is beyond great. One guy was drafted number one; the other was undrafted. Hard not to root for the little guy. that's fine but the little guy wasn't anywhere near as good as the big guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Hey 3.5 ypc and 8 td's was considered great in 1998, so if a fan loves a certain player any stat the player does will be great.. I always wondered if Cotchery was great like many Jet fans said what was Jerry Rice?? Curtis was playing hurt in 1998, it was one of his worst seasons w/ us but he was still vital to our success. Key in '99 had Rick Mirer, Ray Lucas and Tom Tupa throwing him passes. he was GREAT in 1999, #s never tell the whole story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Curtis was playing hurt in 1998, it was one of his worst seasons w/ us but he was still vital to our success. Key in '99 had Rick Mirer, Ray Lucas and Tom Tupa throwing him passes. he was GREAT in 1999, #s never tell the whole story. Always a excuse for the compiler..What was the injury I don't remember that?? Since he was under 4 ypc for 3 of his first 6 years in the league I assume he was hurt for 3 of them..LOL BTW I thought KJ was a excellent player but he was no Al Toon.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetPotato Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Marshall is a better receiver than Keyshawn ever was. The reference should be "best since Toon". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Always a excuse for the compiler..What was the injury I don't remember that?? Since he was under 4 ypc for 3 of his first 6 years in the league I assume he was hurt for 3 of them..LOL BTW I thought KJ was a excellent player but he was no Al Toon.. I believe he was playing w/ a quad injury, he only had 2 full seasons where he was less than 4 YPC for us. I loved Al Toon, Key was on a Toon level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I believe he was playing w/ a quad injury, he only had 2 full seasons where he was less than 4 YPC for us. I loved Al Toon, Key was on a Toon level. Toon and Marshall were Al Pro KJ wasn't.. As far as the compiler and his quad in 1998, like I say always a excuse.. My favorite is the Bronco's were so scared of that 3.5 ypc terror they had all 11 players in the box to stop him.. Meanwhile Terrell Davis who had over 2,000 yds and over 5 ypc was no concern at all for the Tuna or BB.. Tell me when Adrian Murrell outrushed Cumar in 1996 with less carries was Martin playing with 2 broken legs ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Did we get another slow overrated receiver who has an enormous ego and is in love with himself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Sounds like someone forgot about the Doug Jolley era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Toon and Marshall were Al Pro KJ wasn't.. As far as the compiler and his quad in 1998, like I say always a excuse.. My favorite is the Bronco's were so scared of that 3.5 ypc terror they had all 11 players in the box to stop him.. Meanwhile Terrell Davis who had over 2,000 yds and over 5 ypc was no concern at all for the Tuna or BB.. Tell me when Adrian Murrell outrushed Cumar in 1996 with less carries was Martin playing with 2 broken legs ?? I won't bash Toon to pump up Key but Key was every bit as good as Toon. did you see any holes in that 1998 title game for Curtis? it was like DeMarco Murray last week for Dallas. Murrell wasn't half the player Curtis was and I liked Adrian. Huge difference running in blowout losses rather than when your team is counting on you to help lead them to wins. Curtis carried Drew Bledsoe to a SB in 1996 so who cares about the #s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Sounds like someone forgot about the Doug Jolley era. guy was a beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Murrell wasn't half the player Curtis was and I liked Adrian. Huge difference running in blowout losses rather than when your team is counting on you to help lead them to wins. Curtis carried Drew Bledsoe to a SB in 1996 so who cares about the #s? What? So a RB shouldn't be expected to produce when his team needs him to? We were counting on Curtis Martin that game and he responded with a 13 carry, 14 yard day, with a lost fumble. On the other side, John Elway had an awful game, but Terrell Davis carried them to a comeback victory, with 167 yards on 32 carries. Clearly Terrell handled the pressure of the moment just fine. Bad games happen, even to the greats. But that was a horrendous game, easily Curtis's biggest blemish. And it helped cost us a Super Bowl appearance. Hence why people have a case when they argue Curtis was overrated by Jets fans. He was a great guy, did a lot of things well, and maybe even deserved the Hall of Fame. But he cost us when it mattered most. Sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 We had a 10-0 lead in the second half of that Broncos game; it was never a blowout until the end. We were counting on Curtis Martin that game and he responded with a 13 carry, 14 yard day, with a lost fumble. On the other side, John Elway had an awful game, but Terrell Davis carried them to a comeback victory, with 167 yards on 32 carries. Bad games happen, even to the greats. But that was a horrendous game, easily Curtis's biggest blemish. And it helped cost us a Super Bowl appearance. watch that game and show me where he was supposed to gain yardage? we were dominated up front, he could barely get back to the LOS, TD was a GREAT player w/ a GREAT OL and blocking scheme. what cost us a SB app was 6 TOs and the K missing a chip shot FG. Curtis was part of that b/c he had a fumble but Byars fumble, van Dyke's, Meggett not being able to catch a KO, etc... Curtis was not the reason we lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 watch that game and show me where he was supposed to gain yardage? we were dominated up front, he could barely get back to the LOS, Truly great RB's don't always need great offensive line play to produce. We had a stellar defense that year, but Terrell Davis ran for 5.2 ypc. Curtis for 1.0 ypc. Just awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Truly great RB's don't always need great offensive line play to produce. We had a stellar defense that year, but Terrell Davis ran for 5.2 ypc. Curtis for 1.0 ypc. Just awful. our stellar D was not good against jax where Curtis and the O carried us then got shredded in the 2nd half of the title game after we went up 10-0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lego My Lageman Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Just imagine this......Cooper instead of Leonard Williams wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Yup we finally have a playmaker that the defense must gameplan for and account for on every play. Been too long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 It has only taken us since the 2000 season but Brandon Marshall according to Ryan Fitzpatrick on Jets Open Mic "Always wants me to throw him the ball". Sort of reminds one of a certain book title doesn't it? I thought we had done it when Braylon Edwards was signed but mysteriously the Rex Ryan/Mike Tannenbaum led Jets never saw the importance of having a dominant player who COULD deliver, instead opting for troublemakers who helped in destroying what was once an almost-there team. Here are some of the players who were brought in to try and make up for the chasm that KJ's departure left; (noting that we already had Chrebet, Coles, and Dedric Ward here) 2000-Vincent Brisby, Dwight Stone, Windrell Hayes (draftee) 2001-Mathew Hatchette, Kevin Swayne, Craig Yeast 2002-Santana Moss (non-factor in his rookie year due to injury) 2003- Curtis Conway, Jonathan Carter, Kevin Lockett 2004-Justin McCairens, Jerricho Cotchery 2005- Lav. Coles (brought back) Doug Jolley (hybrid crappy TE/WR/FB)<----ultimate failure 2006-Brad Smith, Wallace Wright 2007-nothing new 2008-Chansi Stuckey, 2009-Braylon Edwards, David Clowney, Even alluding that Wallace Wright isn't a playmaker is a bannable offense. Tread very lightly here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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