A few things that are really pissing me off....

[ARodJetsFan]

Fitzpatrick needs to take better care of the football.....his passes have been inaccurate at best and not just the long balls....although he did connect on that one long ball today, it was still underthrown. His passing was sloppy today - he could have easily had one or two more picks in his stat line today if the Dolphins defenders could catch the ball.  He needs to work on his decision making and his passing accuracy.

Special teams are a disaster - I am sorry, but Nick Folk is not a long term answer at kicker - he misses too many kicks and does not have enough leg to kick touchbacks consistently. You can't keep leaving points on the field - in a close game, a missed FG can be the difference. I didn't like the signing when they extended Folk and I still don't.

I would love to find and upgrade for Quigley at punter - he has not had very much leg on his punts and his directional kicking is non-existent.

The Jets needs to find a way to get Walter Powell onto the active roster. The kid has good hands, he would give the Jets a nice option as 3rd or 4th WR - he would also be a big upgrade at KR &PR - Kerley is not the answer as a PR. 

Devin Smith looks lost out there, clearly he and Fitzpatrick are NOT on the same page. I would have no problem letting Walter Powell take Smith's spot on the active roster. The Smith gave up on that interception when he got knocked down - foul or not was embarrassing.

Conservative play-calling with a lead. THIS FRUSTRATES ME THE MOST.

I don't like the way this coaching staff gets comatose with the play calling every time we get out to a lead. Good teams like the Patriots will eat you alive with that kind of coaching mentality.

PENALTIES - way too many of them and again, that falls on the coaching staff. They need to clean that up and quickly.

Yes the O-Line looked great, we ran the ball well and Chris Ivory was a beast - just to state the obvious.

Brandon Marshall started the game well had a good game - but where did he go in the 2nd half? Seemed like he disappeared.

I'd just like to see this team play a complete game in all phases from start to finish.

A divisional win is a divisional win, I'll take it - but this was a SLOPPY GAME.

 

[john461167]

Don't care, didn't read.

[Bugg]

Fitzpatrick needs to take better care of the football.....his passes have been sloppy at best and not just the long balls....

Special teams are a disaster - I am sorry, but Nick Folk is not a long term answer at kicker - he misses too many kicks and does not have enough leg to kick touchbacks consistently. You can't keep leaving points on the field - in a close game, a missed FG can be the difference. I didn't like the signing when they extended Folk and I still don't.

I would love to find and upgrade for Quigley at punter - he has not had very much leg on his punts and his directional kicking is non-existent.

The Jets needs to find a way to get Walter Powell onto the active roster. The kid has good hands, he would give the Jets a nice option as 3rd or 4th WR - he would also be a big upgrade at KR &PR - Kerley is not the answer as a PR. 

Conservative play-calling with a lead. THIS FRUSTRATES ME THE MOST.

I don't like the way this coaching staff gets comatose with the play calling every time we get out to a lead. Good teams like the Patriots will eat you alive with that kind of coaching mentality.

PENALTIES - way too many of them and again, that falls on the coaching staff. They need to clean that up and quickly.

A divisional win is a divisional win, I'll take it - but this was a VERY SLOPPY GAME.

 

Playcalls weren't conservative at all. With a 3 score lead in the 2nd half against an awful offense they should have run it down their throats. The OL was freaking great today. There was no reason at all to be calling pass plays that stopped the clock on incompletions all 2nd half. 

We need a real TE and a new punter, badly. and some PR an PK guys. 

[David Harris]

We'll get killed for SOJF mentality and "crying" after a win but the Jets only have one formula to win - dominate on D and run it down their throats.

If this team gets behind like we saw in Philly then the game is over - Fitzy can get us to the playoffs which is gret, maybe we should be happy with that but he will never get us all the way....maybe Geno wouldn't either, in fact probably not but do you make the change for the possibility - do you dare to TRY to be great?  I'd like to see it personally.  But if I was HC of the NYJ I realistically don't think you can do it.  If it didn't work out it'd be suicide, honestly.

[slats]

Don't care, didn't read.

This is less content than you generally bring. No need for posts like this. 

[Warfish]

Worst refereeing I've seen in years, they may as well have been wearing Phins jerseys frankly.

Yes, Fitz is very mediocre.  Medicore + Wins I can live with.  So I stick with him for now.

D looked very good, O looked solid (with way more potential than they're showing) and the Ivory Effect is pretty clear watching last week vs. this week.

The Bye is here, alot of time to iron out some kinks, work on fitz, etc.

Just happy to be 3-1 at this point given so many were calling for 1-3 or 0-4 by now.

Good day.

[nycdan]

There is nothing wrong with Folk and no FA kicker available who would be even nearly as good.  You lost credibility on that point IMO.

Devin Smith is a rookie who missed most of training camp.  I don't expect him to be playing with veteran-like savvy yet.  Give him a few weeks.  For now, as long as Decker is healthy, Smith is a luxury. 

Agreed on Quigley.  He seems to be a disaster in the making on almost every punt.  Not sure how much of it is coverage but there is a big problem to address.

As for penalties, that was a weird game.  They called a ton of PIs on the Jets, and while some were legit, some were ticky-tack or worse.  Then the non-call on Smith.  It felt a lot like there was a secret mandate to keep the game close but once it got late in the 4th quarter, they seemed to decide to swing the bias back over our way.  I know...black helicopters. 

 

[Larz]

3-1 has me pretty happy actually

[ARodJetsFan]

There is nothing wrong with Folk and no FA kicker available who would be even nearly as good.  You lost credibility on that point IMO.

 

 

Dude, you are a blind homer.

Folk is awful as is Quigley.

[Warfish]

Dude, you are a blind homer.

Folk is awful as is Quigley.

Agree to disagree, I'm with nycdan, Folks is a non-issue IMO.

[ARodJetsFan]

Worst refereeing I've seen in years, they may as well have been wearing Phins jerseys frankly.

Yes, Fitz is very mediocre.  Medicore + Wins I can live with.  So I stick with him for now.

D looked very good, O looked solid (with way more potential than they're showing) and the Ivory Effect is pretty clear watching last week vs. this week.

The Bye is here, alot of time to iron out some kinks, work on fitz, etc.

Just happy to be 3-1 at this point given so many were calling for 1-3 or 0-4 by now.

Good day.

I am very glad to be 3-1 Fish.

But, there are areas on this team that can easily be improved - I can see it plain as day.

It would be nice to see the coaching staff & front office would do something about it.

 

[Integrity28]

Fitzpatrick needs to take better care of the football.....his passes have been inaccurate at best and not just the long balls....although he did connect on that one long ball today, it was still underthrown. His passing was sloppy today - he could have easily had one or two more picks in his stat line today if the Dolphins defenders could catch the ball.  He needs to work on his decision making and his passing accuracy.

Special teams are a disaster - I am sorry, but Nick Folk is not a long term answer at kicker - he misses too many kicks and does not have enough leg to kick touchbacks consistently. You can't keep leaving points on the field - in a close game, a missed FG can be the difference. I didn't like the signing when they extended Folk and I still don't.

I would love to find and upgrade for Quigley at punter - he has not had very much leg on his punts and his directional kicking is non-existent.

The Jets needs to find a way to get Walter Powell onto the active roster. The kid has good hands, he would give the Jets a nice option as 3rd or 4th WR - he would also be a big upgrade at KR &PR - Kerley is not the answer as a PR. 

Devin Smith looks lost out there, clearly he and Fitzpatrick are NOT on the same page. I would have no problem letting Walter Powell take Smith's spot on the active roster. The Smith gave up on that interception when he got knocked down - foul or not was embarrassing.

Conservative play-calling with a lead. THIS FRUSTRATES ME THE MOST.

I don't like the way this coaching staff gets comatose with the play calling every time we get out to a lead. Good teams like the Patriots will eat you alive with that kind of coaching mentality.

PENALTIES - way too many of them and again, that falls on the coaching staff. They need to clean that up and quickly.

A divisional win is a divisional win, I'll take it - but this was a VERY SLOPPY GAME.

 

Points about Fitz are well-established. However, he's not committing turnovers that cost us games. I'm not a big fan of the whole "crying about the interceptions that could have happened" platform, because they didn't. There's a lot of things that could happen, but they aren't, so I'm content to be happy with the wins and hope to see improvement as this team continues to gel now that they are out of the usually-sloppy first quarter of the season.

Agree on special teams. Folk is meh, Quigley too... but the actual kickers aren't the big problem, it is the kick coverage. If you're going to complain about special teams, then coverage should be front and center in those complaints. It's part of why we aren't undefeated. Kerley does suck on specials. Powell makes more sense, but less money. Not sure why Kerley is on the roster otherwise.

Devin Smith looks like a rookie, a soft rookie.

Playcalling is fine. You're wrong. If we had Brady, then I could see running up the score. We don't. I'm content to lean on the defense and do what's strategically right, which is killing the clock with a lead.

Most of today's penalties were bullsh*t. I think it's an aberration. 

Games in Europe and on Thursday nights aren't usually perfect. 

[Villain The Foe]

Don't care, didn't read.

lol

[NJ]

Folk is usually money on point generating kicks and has good numbers on 45+

Your commentary would suggest you're happy then with Cro starting at corner. 

[Villain The Foe]

 

Devin Smith looks lost out there, clearly he and Fitzpatrick are NOT on the same page. I would have no problem letting Walter Powell take Smith's spot on the active roster. The Smith gave up on that interception when he got knocked down - foul or not was embarrassing.

 

 

You cray. 

 

[Lizard King]

I strongly disagree on Folk and its comments like you made about him which almost discredit everything you wrote afterwords but I'll still bite. First, Folk is one of the few pieces of real consistency this team has. He's been one of the best kickers in the league for a few years in a row and had a record going across the NFL last season for consecutively made field goals. Sorry you harbor an obviously personal grudge but your opinion is void of any actual fact. 

I don't disagree however on Kerley as a return man and to intertwine your point on Devin Smith, he probably would do well in punt and kick return.  

However, Smith is playing pretty well and I don't know what you expect out of a rookie in a pro offense who lost his starting QB just a week before the season and is surrounded on all sides by veterans, especially at QB who played in the offense. Again, the personal bias shows here pretty obviously. 

I also shockingly disagree on your opinion on play calling. I think Chan Gailey had a single opening series of shock and awe football and then he tried to play to Miamis presumption of ground and pound, but he snuck in a lot of deep passes and it's not his fault that Fitzpatrick has no touch on the long ball and catch throw a laser to a wide open, back of end zone 15 yards away Decker in the 2nd, to illustrate one of many missed opportunities where Fitz thought it made more sense to force balls to a double covered Marshall. Fitz is smarter than Geno for sure, but Gailey didn't design this offense to have Ivory producing 160 yards in a single game. 

 

Penalties were bad. I will give you that. 

[FidelioJet]

IThere is nothing wrong with Folk and no FA kicker available who would be even nearly as good.  You lost credibility on that point IMO.

Devin Smith is a rookie who missed most of training camp.  I don't expect him to be playing with veteran-like savvy yet.  Give him a few weeks.  For now, as long as Decker is healthy, Smith is a luxury. 

Agreed on Quigley.  He seems to be a disaster in the making on almost every punt.  Not sure how much of it is coverage but there is a big problem to address.

As for penalties, that was a weird game.  They called a ton of PIs on the Jets, and while some were legit, some were ticky-tack or worse.  Then the non-call on Smith.  It felt a lot like there was a secret mandate to keep the game close but once it got late in the 4th quarter, they seemed to decide to swing the bias back over our way.  I know...black helicopters. 

 

I strongly disagree on the Devin Smith comments.  He looked pretty open to me, quite often (maybe he and Fitz were on the wrong page, but he was open - don't get open by accident)

Def. don't disagree wtih ttaking him out.  He needs to play as much as we can get him on the field....He has all of the tools just needs to figure it out more.   From what I've seen I'm very high on the kid.

[ARodJetsFan]

Folk is usually money on point kicks and has good numbers on 45+

Your commentary would suggest you're happy then with Cro starting at corner. 

If it was my choice, I would start Marcus Williams over Cro.

[ARodJetsFan]

Folk is usually money on point kicks and has good numbers on 45+

Your commentary would suggest you're happy then with Cro starting at corner. 

Folk has already missed 2 FG's inside of 50 yds this year and if memory serves me, he has missed an extra point as well. We are only 4 games into the season.

I wouldn't call that money - nor would I call Folk the model of consistency.

The only thing that is consistent about Folk is that he can't kick touchbacks through the back of the end zone.

[Warfish]

We'd all like to win every game by 30, myself included.

Let me touch on your points then in more detail:

1. Yes, Fitz needs to be more careful, but fact is he will not.  This is who Fitz is, and while painful, it still surpassed Geno Smith thus far.  We should be ready to see the INT's continue.  I'd also say the INT today should have been P.I. and is an abortion that it was not called.

2. Specials are not a strength per se.  We are weak at return-man.  Quigly is a directional/strategic punter, not a boomer.  He's doing what he can but his coverage team is a weakness.  Folks is, again, perfectly fine IMO.  He will win more games than he loses.  At this stage improvement here is all but impossible for 2016.  The weaknesses are systemic/experience wise and will only get better with time and play (for coverage).  Again, I do not agree that either kicker should be replaced with a street FA or the like.

3. Walter Powell is irrelevant.  Sorry, but quibbling over some supposed #5/#6 WR we "should" have on the roster is borderline silly.  The 2nd rounder Smith does look timid, but he will only improve with time and plays, and no one is sitting a high-potential rookie 2nd rounder #3 WR to play a nobody on the practice squad in the NFL.  

4.  I agree with the ire towards conservative playcalling late with a lead.  But we're 3-1, and the loss was not due to conservative playcalling, so it can't be that bad thus far.  Weak O based on the run vs. strong Dominating D, this is simply ow it goes.

5.  Penalties, frankly, I am ignoring today, as today was one of the worst called games I have ever watched.  And I am not joking or exaggerating.

6.  I too would like to see "a complete game", but to be brutally honest, we are simply not "a complete team".  The O, outside of Ivory, Marshall, Decker and Mangold, is pedestrian or worse.  And we need to expect to get that kind of performance, as major upgrades are still required.  

[SoFlaJets]

This is less content than you generally bring. No need for posts like this. 

I'm sorry but that guy is a useless poster Slats-good post Allen, one thing that I can't look past is the way the officials control the games. When the flags are even and then take off trying to get the game more competitive it's just so obvious, so dirty and the league is a leage of cheating. It's a shame what has happened to the game of NFL football under Goodell.

I agree with you about Powell, he needs to get activated

Also, the punter is the Geno Smith of punters, he does nothing right, when he finally hits one good he overkicks the coverage and they get great returns otherwise it's 39 yards while we watch every week our opponents kicking 59 yarders-I said it in the game thread we should try and see what is up with Brandon Fields who was Miami's punter-he was a pro bowler a couple of years ago. Brian Winters and Gocco on that right side bring a sense of meanness to the OL

[Lizard King]

Folk has already missed 2 FG's this year and if memory serves me, he has missed an extra point as well.

Which statistically speaking means he's probably only going to miss one for the rest of the year, but don't let me stand in the way of your clear bias against our kicker. 

[ARodJetsFan]

Agree to disagree, I'm with nycdan, Folks is a non-issue IMO.

Agreed, we disagree....LOL.

[Jet Nut]

This is less content than you generally bring. No need for posts like this. 

actually he usually just posts "Geno sucks" and nothing more.  

[Integrity28]

I strongly disagree on the Devin Smith comments.  He looked pretty open to me, quite often (maybe he and Fitz were on the wrong page, but he was open - don't get open by accident)

Def. don't disagree wtih ttaking him out.  He needs to play as much as we can get him on the field....He has all of the tools just needs to figure it out more.   From what I've seen I'm very high on the kid.

I think the problem with Devin is part him, and part Fitz. It's not quite as simple as "every throw was bad". Devin is playing soft, and being bumped off his routes constantly. That's going to throw off everything between him and Fitz, even if Devin eventually ends up running free... if the ball is out, and headed to where the route was supposed to take the WR, and Devin is knocked off his routes, then it's going to look like sh*t. No matter what.

At this point, I'm more concerned with the decision to play Devin with as little time he spent in camp, rather than a veteran. Devin needs work. Decker and Marshall are helping make Fitz look good. Veteran WRs can do that.

[Bugg]

We'd all like to win every game by 30, myself included.

Let me touch on your points then in more detail:

1. Yes, Fitz needs to be more careful, but fact is he will not.  This is who Fitz is, and while painful, it still surpassed Geno Smith thus far.  We should be ready to see the INT's continue.  I'd also say the INT today should have been P.I. and is an abortion that it was not called.

2. Specials are not a strength per se.  We are weak at return-man.  Quigly is a directional/strategic punter, not a boomer.  He's doing what he can but his coverage team is a weakness.  Folks is, again, perfectly fine IMO.  He will win more games than he loses.  At this stage improvement here is all but impossible for 2016.  The weaknesses are systemic/experience wise and will only get better with time and play (for coverage).  Again, I do not agree that either kicker should be replaced with a street FA or the like.

3. Walter Powell is irrelevant.  Sorry, but quibbling over some supposed #5/#6 WR we "should" have on the roster is borderline silly.  The 2nd rounder Smith does look timid, but he will only improve with time and plays, and no one is sitting a high-potential rookie 2nd rounder #3 WR to play a nobody on the practice squad in the NFL.  

4.  I agree with the ire towards conservative playcalling late with a lead.  But we're 3-1, and the loss was not due to conservative playcalling, so it can't be that bad thus far.  Weak O based on the run vs. strong Dominating D, this is simply ow it goes.

5.  Penalties, frankly, I am ignoring today, as today was one of the worst called games I have ever watched.  And I am not joking or exaggerating.

6.  I too would like to see "a complete game", but to be brutally honest, we are simply not "a complete team".  The O, outside of Ivory, Marshall, Decker and Mangold, is pedestrian or worse.  And we need to expect to get that kind of performance, as major upgrades are still required.  

True, but we do have a superior OL.Vs. inferior teams we should rack up running yards and control the clock, which can be a good combination. Not necessarily a championship formula, but with some breaks may be a playoff berth.    Gonna be tougher when you face superior QBs because we cannot play a shootout game. Basically no reason we cannot win at least 4 of 6 division games, 5 of 6 if we catch the Pats on  a bad day.

[GREENBEAN]

Dude, you are a blind homer.

Folk is awful as is Quigley.

Folk is potentially the best kicker we've ever had.  He's not coming out of the gate all that hot this season, but your statement is erroneous and has no legitimate foundation. This is from an article rating the top three Jets Kickers of all time. 1. Jim Turner, 2. Pat Leahy. and 3... well you can read it. 

The Jets have had a few good kickers throughout their history, so it is worth taking a vote.

The three kickers that we have are from three clearly different periods of Jets history. One player won a Super Bowl ring, one scored more than anyone else in Jets history, and one is a guy that we call a “Folk Hero”. It is a talented group, so let’s get to it with the nominees...

Finally, the aforementioned “Folk hero”. Nick Folk came to the Jets in 2010, after playing three years for the Dallas Cowboys. In four out of five years with the Jets, Folk has posted as least 90 points. What Folk has been best known for in New York has been the clutch field goals.

We all remember his field goal to top the Colts in the 2010 playoffs. He made several game winners in 2013, including the season opener in Tampa Bay, one to top the Patriots, and an OT kick to beat the Atlanta Falcons.

Our final nominee, number two, Nick Folk!

[SoFlaJets]

I think the problem with Devin is part him, and part Fitz. It's not quite as simple as "every throw was bad". Devin is playing soft, and being bumped off his routes constantly. That's going to throw off everything between him and Fitz, even if Devin eventually ends up running free... if the ball is out, and headed to where the route was supposed to take the WR, and Devin is knocked off his routes, then it's going to look like sh*t. No matter what.

At this point, I'm more concerned with the decision to play Devin with as little time he spent in camp, rather than a veteran. Devin needs work. Decker and Marshall are helping make Fitz look good. Veteran WRs can do that.

I liked what I saw from that Powell kid , in fact it was like a 3 headed monster, Owusu, Enunwa, and Powell. I saw Owusu as slightly better than the other two but apparently he's another one of those type of guys who aren't built for the pro game and their time spent injured backs that up. 

[NJ]

Folk has already missed 2 FG's inside of 50 yds this year and if memory serves me, he has missed an extra point as well. We are only 4 games into the season.

I wouldn't call that money - nor would I call Folk the model of consistency.

The only thing that is consistent about Folk is that he can't kick touchbacks through the back of the end zone.

Enjoy being in the .0001% of those who believe that

[nycdan]

So it looks like we have one person stumping for Folk to be gone and...well...everyone else disagreeing.  /debate yet?

You starting bringing in FA kickers and you're likely to end up looking back fondly on the Doug Brien days.  Don't you think the Steelers would stomp on puppies (sorry, Michael Vick...still too soon?) to get Folk on their roster right now? 

[munchmemory]

I don't like Kerley as our return "specialist".  I really want that kid Powell from the practice squad to get a shot. 

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[JasonWaterfalls]

I don't have a problem with Folk, but I find it silly that people assume that other options aren't available via free agency. Every college team has a kicker, and 99% don't get drafted. Maybe it's too late right now; but in May I think it would be a nice idea to bring in a few undrafted kickers to work out.

 

Also, I subscribe to the belief that somewhere in Europe or South America there's a third division soccer player with no major league prospects who can come in and kick a 70 yard field goal with no issue.

As of yet, that is not proven. But millions upon millions of kids grow up kicking a ball, so I don't think Nick Folk should simply be labeled untouchable.

[Maxman]

Dude, you are a blind homer.

Folk is awful as is Quigley.

Cmon ARod no need for name calling.

Folk is pretty damn good and he isn't going anywhere.

[nycdan]

Cmon ARod no need for name calling.

Folk is pretty damn good and he isn't going anywhere.

Actually 'Blind Homer' is credited with writing two of the most important pieces of literature in human history.  I think he meant it as a compliment