Jetsfan80 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Actually he was top 10 in 2 area's tied for 1st with Matt Ryan in game winning drives and top 10 in pass attempts.. Being top 10 in pass attempts on a run-first team is never good news. And while it's cool that he came back a few times that year, part of the reason some of those comebacks were necessary in the first place was his own inept play earlier in the game. Not to mention 3 of the teams he "came back" on were Cleveland, Detroit, and Houston; all fairly bad teams that season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCEastFan Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Dion Lewis may be deserving of at least "also receiving votes" status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Being top 10 in pass attempts on a run-first team is never a good news. And while it's cool that he came back a few times that year, part of the reason some of those comebacks were necessary in the first place was his own inept play earlier in the game. Not to mention 3 of the teams he "came back" on were Cleveland, Detroit, and Houston; all fairly bad teams that season. we weren't a run first team, we were a balanced team and when the run faltered his arm brought us back in numerous games to win. Cleveland had just beaten NO at NO and NE. the Houston comeback we were up 23-7 in the 4th, the D blew a big lead then w/ no TOs and under a minute he had to go about 70+ yds for the TD to win it. I don't care if it was a pop warner D that was one of the greatest drives in Jets history. don't forget w/ the season on the line how he set up our K for a chip shot to win the WC game at Indy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 8, 2015 Author Share Posted October 8, 2015 Name me 10 better QBs in the season 2010? I'd argue it's the purveyor's burden to support his opinion, not the world's burden to disprove any old unsupported thesis thrown out there. Try to convince us he was top-10. I love discussions like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Name me 10 better QBs in the season 2010? Tom Brady Peyton Manning Aaron Rodgers Matt Ryan Drew Brees Ben Roethlisberger Phillip Rivers Eli Manning Carson Palmer Tony Romo Joe Flacco (25 TD's, 9 INT's) Matt Schaub (24 TD's, 12 INT's) Josh Freeman (25 TD's, 6 INT's) Kyle Orton (20 TD's, 9 INT's) Michael Vick (25 TD's, 9 INT's) All were better than Mark Sanchez in 2010, among others. Even Matt Cassel had a 27 TD, 7 INT season that year. Compared to Sanchez, who had 17 TD's and 13 INT's. Too easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Tom Brady Peyton Manning Aaron Rodgers Matt Ryan Drew Brees Ben Roethlisberger Phillip Rivers Eli Manning Carson Palmer Tony Romo Joe Flacco (25 TD's, 9 INT's) Matt Schaub (24 TD's, 12 INT's) Josh Freeman (25 TD's, 6 INT's) Kyle Orton (20 TD's, 9 INT's) Michael Vick (25 TD's, 9 INT's) All were better than Mark Sanchez in 2010, among others. Even Matt Cassel had a 27 TD, 7 INT season that year. Compared to Sanchez, who had 17 TD's and 13 INT's. Too easy. Where's Fitzmagic on that list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Being top 10 in pass attempts on a run-first team is never good news. And while it's cool that he came back a few times that year, part of the reason some of those comebacks were necessary in the first place was his own inept play earlier in the game. Not to mention 3 of the teams he "came back" on were Cleveland, Detroit, and Houston; all fairly bad teams that season. In 2010 Sanchez had 17 tds and 13 picks Fitz with the Bills had 23 tds and 15 picks.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Where's Fitzmagic on that list? This was the lone season since 2009 where a Jet QB was as good as Fitzpatrick. Given how lousy Sanchez was in 2009, 2011 and 2012, and the fact that he's a clipboard carrier today, it would be impossible to make a case that Sanchez is overall a better QB. Like I said, even Matt Cassel had a 27 TD, 7 INT season that year. Where is he now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Tom Brady Peyton Manning Aaron Rodgers Matt Ryan Drew Brees Ben Roethlisberger Phillip Rivers Eli Manning Carson Palmer Tony Romo Joe Flacco (25 TD's, 9 INT's) Matt Schaub (24 TD's, 12 INT's) Josh Freeman (25 TD's, 6 INT's) Kyle Orton (20 TD's, 9 INT's) Michael Vick (25 TD's, 9 INT's) All were better than Mark Sanchez in 2010, among others. Even Matt Cassel had a 27 TD, 7 INT season that year. Compared to Sanchez, who had 17 TD's and 13 INT's. Too easy. It is too easy, this list is comical w/ some of the names. I am not saying Mark was better than Rivers but did you know in that weak division he had the #1 ranked D in the NFL and couldn't get to the playoffs? Carson Palmer threw 20 INTs, led his team to a 4-12 record. yeah, he was better. Tony Romo played 6 games, was 1-5 in those games. I would say Flacco and mark were even matt Schaub has always been a good fantasy QB, if you put him here you didn't watch him play. Josh Freeman played a creampuff sched, was never truly in playoff race. Lost to every good team they played except week 17 when NO rested starters Kyle Orton has always been terrible. led Den to 3-10 record Vick was excellent that year Eli manning threw TWENTY FIVE INTs including 4 in the biggest game of the year in week 16 which ultimately decided a playoff spot. seriously? this is your list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 broken leg and irrelevence. Also yes you can win award from coming back for sucking (see phillip rivers), although i personally disagree with that But when was he relevant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 I'd argue it's the purveyor's burden to support his opinion, not the world's burden to disprove any old unsupported thesis thrown out there. Try to convince us he was top-10. I love discussions like this. led us to 11 wins had struggling run game most of the season 3 Tds vs. NE week 2 after disastrous start for team week earlier missing top WR for first 4 games, led team to 3-1 record in that span w/ Holmes already out and Edwrads suspended for a qtr at Miami(who swept us in '09) he led us to 14 pts that 1st qtr and sealed that game late w/ long drive led 4 reg season comebacks: at den, at Cle, at Det(down 10 w/ 4 mins left) and vs. Hou set up K for GW FG in WC game on the rd for chip shot FG to win it had 2 bogus INts credited to him vs. GB or #s would have looked much better In monsoon as Favre was turning it over all night he didn't turn it over once vs. Minny 3 TDs in div rd at NE including perfect TD throw to Holmes to give us 21-11 lead moments after NE pulled w/in 3. nearly brought us back from 24-0 at Pitt in title game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 In 2010 Sanchez had 17 tds and 13 picks Fitz with the Bills had 23 tds and 15 picks.. while leading Buf to a 4-9 record in games he started but the man was excellent in throwing garbage time TDs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 8, 2015 Author Share Posted October 8, 2015 led us to 11 wins had struggling run game most of the season 3 Tds vs. NE week 2 after disastrous start for team week earlier missing top WR for first 4 games, led team to 3-1 record in that span w/ Holmes already out and Edwrads suspended for a qtr at Miami(who swept us in '09) he led us to 14 pts that 1st qtr and sealed that game late w/ long drive led 4 reg season comebacks: at den, at Cle, at Det(down 10 w/ 4 mins left) and vs. Hou set up K for GW FG in WC game on the rd for chip shot FG to win it had 2 bogus INts credited to him vs. GB or #s would have looked much better In monsoon as Favre was turning it over all night he didn't turn it over once vs. Minny 3 TDs in div rd at NE including perfect TD throw to Holmes to give us 21-11 lead moments after NE pulled w/in 3. nearly brought us back from 24-0 at Pitt in title game These are all good arguments that he did positive things and maybe even that he hasn't been given enough credit for those things. But in order to support the statement he was "top 10" you need comparators. Without context, how are we to know how all these measures up against the other QBs in 2010 and whether it puts him in the top 10 conversation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 These are all good arguments that he did positive things and maybe even that he hasn't been given enough credit for those things. But in order to support the statement he was "top 10" you need comparators. Without context, how are we to know how all these measures up against the other QBs in 2010 and whether it puts him in the top 10 conversation? I discussed those other supposed better QBs in the other post. guys like Josh Freeman who put up better #s but didn't have playoff pressure and beat no one decent except for the meaningless week 17 game. Eli manning threw 25 INTs including 4 at GB in the game that decided the last WC spot. etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 This was the lone season since 2009 where a Jet QB was as good as Fitzpatrick. Given how lousy Sanchez was in 2009, 2011 and 2012, and the fact that he's a clipboard carrier today, it would be impossible to make a case that Sanchez is overall a better QB. Like I said, even Matt Cassel had a 27 TD, 7 INT season that year. Where is he now? I was just wondering what was Fitz stats that season. Sanchez isnt a Jet but he's about to be the starter for the Eagles not too far from now then he'll get a fair assessment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 8, 2015 Author Share Posted October 8, 2015 I discussed those other supposed better QBs in the other post. guys like Josh Freeman who put up better #s but didn't have playoff pressure and beat no one decent except for the meaningless week 17 game. Eli manning threw 25 INTs including 4 at GB in the game that decided the last WC spot. etc... You're probably onto something with the playoff thing. He performed like a top 10 QB in the playoffs I have to admit. Before people say "he wasn't dominant and didn't take over games" they need to consider that there is a huge dropoff from top 3 to 7-10. However, one thing I will say is you, and all of us, know the Jets REALLY well. So we can understand and articulate the reasons for "poor" performances--i.e. this guy was hurt, no weapons, etc. Lots of those other QBs--Eli comes to mind--there are many similar excuses available as to why he threw 25 picks that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 You're probably onto something with the playoff thing. He performed like a top 10 QB in the playoffs I have to admit. Before people say "he wasn't dominant and didn't take over games" they need to consider that there is a huge dropoff from top 3 to 7-10. However, one thing I will say is you, and all of us, know the Jets REALLY well. So we can understand and articulate the reasons for "poor" performances--i.e. this guy was hurt, no weapons, etc. Lots of those other QBs--Eli comes to mind--there are many similar excuses available as to why he threw 25 picks that year. in postseason he was excellent for us. we can make excuses for all players, Mark was hurt in that 2010 postseason and played great(outside of the 1st halves at Indy and Pitt). Eli had as many weapons as we had and threw 25 picks and he was a long time vet. 2 years ago he threw 30 I think. I have never claimed Mark to be great but I do think he gets way too much crap from Jet fans. he had a good rookie season, he was very good year 2, middle of the pack year 3 and awful year 4 but post 2010 they kept stripping away talent and expected him to get better. It wasn't fair, it sucks he had to get hurt in 2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 8, 2015 Author Share Posted October 8, 2015 in postseason he was excellent for us. we can make excuses for all players, Mark was hurt in that 2010 postseason and played great(outside of the 1st halves at Indy and Pitt). Eli had as many weapons as we had and threw 25 picks and he was a long time vet. 2 years ago he threw 30 I think. I have never claimed Mark to be great but I do think he gets way too much crap from Jet fans. he had a good rookie season, he was very good year 2, middle of the pack year 3 and awful year 4 but post 2010 they kept stripping away talent and expected him to get better. It wasn't fair, it sucks he had to get hurt in 2013. i think jets make playoffs in 13 with sanchez healthy although does seem idzik was pulling the strings for geno to start regardless i guess we will never know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 in postseason he was excellent for us. we can make excuses for all players, Mark was hurt in that 2010 postseason and played great(outside of the 1st halves at Indy and Pitt). Eli had as many weapons as we had and threw 25 picks and he was a long time vet. 2 years ago he threw 30 I think. I have never claimed Mark to be great but I do think he gets way too much crap from Jet fans. he had a good rookie season, he was very good year 2, middle of the pack year 3 and awful year 4 but post 2010 they kept stripping away talent and expected him to get better. It wasn't fair, it sucks he had to get hurt in 2013. I agree he played well in the playoffs but his rookie season he had 12 tds and 20 picks no way can any sane fan call that good.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 I agree he played well in the playoffs but his rookie season he had 12 tds and 20 picks no way can any sane fan call that good.. His INts came in bunches, 15 of them in just 4 games. the other 11 he only had 5 INTs. he played well a majority of that season then stepped up in postseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 i think jets make playoffs in 13 with sanchez healthy although does seem idzik was pulling the strings for geno to start regardless i guess we will never know I think we would have too but Idzik was forcing rex's hand. it sucks, he should still be here but he's gone. I'm rooting for Fitz and if Geno plays I will root for him. We have an excellent cast around the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 I was just wondering what was Fitz stats that season. Sanchez isnt a Jet but he's about to be the starter for the Eagles not too far from now then he'll get a fair assessment He was the Eagle starter last year, and was relegated back to the bench. That was his shot at a "fair assessment" and he blew it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 He was the Eagle starter last year, and was relegated back to the bench. That was his shot at a "fair assessment" and he blew it. he played really well and was paid well to compete for the starting job. The QB he got was the #1 overall pick and has all the physical tools so that is tantalizing. he made as mistake and hopefully for mark he admits that mistake and goes to him before he ruins the entire season for Philly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 He was the Eagle starter last year, and was relegated back to the bench. That was his shot at a "fair assessment" and he blew it. The Eagles Mark Sanchez was better than the Mark Sanchez of the Jets. Thats also a fair assessment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 The Eagles Mark Sanchez was better than the Mark Sanchez of the Jets. Thats also a fair assessment. and a lot better than the Ryan Fitzpatrick on the Jets(or any team) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 The Eagles Mark Sanchez was better than the Mark Sanchez of the Jets. Thats also a fair assessment. I don't know about that in 2011 he had 26 tds and 18 picks in his time with the Eagles he did have a better pass completion number at 64% but had 14 tds and 11 picks in 9 games.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 I don't know about that in 2011 he had 26 tds and 18 picks in his time with the Eagles he did have a better pass completion number at 64% but had 14 tds and 11 picks in 9 games.. he had 32 total TDs in 2011(a Jets record) BUT while his #s were better than 2010 he wasn't anywhere near as good. He was mediocre that season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 he had 32 total TDs in 2011(a Jets record) BUT while his #s were better than 2010 he wasn't anywhere near as good. He was mediocre that season. I'm not counting rushing because it makes the Kenny fans mad because he never had even 1..LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 I don't know about that in 2011 he had 26 tds and 18 picks in his time with the Eagles he did have a better pass completion number at 64% but had 14 tds and 11 picks in 9 games.. You have to project his numbers. Sanchez didnt play all 16 games but there were a couple games where Sanchez was impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 You have to project his numbers. Sanchez didnt play all 16 games but there were a couple games where Sanchez was impressive. Maybe but he's no MG but then who is?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 You have to project his numbers. Sanchez didnt play all 16 games but there were a couple games where Sanchez was impressive. Most games he was outside of the GB and Seattle games. Philly missed the playoffs b/c they couldn't stop anyone. yes mark had some bad TOs, that is who he is. he will have those but had far more good plays than bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Maybe but he's no MG but then who is?? Sure as hell isnt. This league is lucky that Tampa is such a dysfunctional organization. Unfortunately they keep me from seeing greatness! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonWaterfalls Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Eric Berry. Close the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 yes, a below average QB who has done very little clearly is right there for the CPOY award. Worked for Chad Pennington x2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Worked for Chad Pennington x2 so you think Fitz is as good as Chad? oh boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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