Irish Jet Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Yeah. A first or GTFO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 7 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: NJ Advance Media's Darryl Slater believes the Jets "probably won't get a first-round draft pick" for franchise-tagged DE Muhammad Wilkerson. It has been widely reported the Jets are willing to trade Wilkerson after placing the franchise tag on him in late February. Plenty of organizations would like to have a talent like Wilkerson on their roster, but it may be tough to justify paying a first-round pick and shelling out the big guaranteed contract Wilkerson is certainly after. It also might not make sense for the Jets to give up their best defensive player for anything less than a first-round pick. With Damon Harrison already out the door, New York should do everything they can to keep Wilkerson long term. They should have let Mo and his agent see what teams wanted to pay him his Watt plus contract and they may have adjusted their terms back to reality.. Fitz and his agent are learning that now.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 15 minutes ago, Irish Jet said: Yeah. A first or GTFO. If Mo and his agent weren't asking for the moon then the Jets get a 1st but no sane GM is going to give up a 1st and pay a huge contract.. Mac doesn't have to give up a 1st and he's not giving Mo what he wants.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 22 minutes ago, Savage69 said: They should have let Mo and his agent see what teams wanted to pay him his Watt plus contract and they may have adjusted their terms back to reality.. Fitz and his agent are learning that now.. What is reality to you? That the way free agency works only works for others and not Jet players? You need to get over your continued complaining about Watt money as if no one should or will get paid like he is paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 14 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: What is reality to you? That the way free agency works only works for others and not Jet players? You need to get over your continued complaining about Watt money as if no one should or will get paid like he is paid. I can't have a opinion because it upsets Jet Nut?? I think Mo should get Watt money if his talent is equal to Watt.. Just like Fitz shouldn't be paid equal to Tom Brady IMO..BTW you know who else agree's with me?? The GM of the Jets.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 1 hour ago, Savage69 said: I can't have a opinion because it upsets Jet Nut?? I think Mo should get Watt money if his talent is equal to Watt.. Just like Fitz shouldn't be paid equal to Tom Brady IMO..BTW you know who else agree's with me?? The GM of the Jets.. I dont know why you post anymore. If I ask a question or trying and figure out what youre thinking you get all goofy about what youre allowed to post. We're all questioned, I am all the time. Glad you think that the only way a player gets to the money level of another is on talent and play. But thats not how free agency works. Never has and never will. Free agency is all about supply and demand at the time youre a free agent, not strictly how you compare to others. It works this way not only in football but in every sport. Think a Japanese import pitcher, without throwing to a single MLB player is worth the same money as a Kershaw? Is anyone over the last few seasons worth Kershaw? But just about every season some FA will pass him in pay. And nowhere, anywhere is that wrong. Look at the Giants signings, tell me who is worth the money they paid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 41 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: I dont know why you post anymore. If I ask a question or trying and figure out what youre thinking you get all goofy about what youre allowed to post. We're all questioned, I am all the time. Glad you think that the only way a player gets to the money level of another is on talent and play. But thats not how free agency works. Never has and never will. Free agency is all about supply and demand at the time youre a free agent, not strictly how you compare to others. It works this way not only in football but in every sport. Think a Japanese import pitcher, without throwing to a single MLB player is worth the same money as a Kershaw? Is anyone over the last few seasons worth Kershaw? But just about every season some FA will pass him in pay. And nowhere, anywhere is that wrong. Look at the Giants signings, tell me who is worth the money they paid? BTW I was wrong on what I said about Mo and his agent.. Mo has a non exclusive franchise tag so his agent can shop around.. It's not any question I mind at all,but you seem to feel that if anyone disagree's about your opinion they are automatically wrong.. I do agree some get paid way more then their talent dictates my point was I hope the Jets don't make that mistake is all I meant.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 13 minutes ago, Savage69 said: BTW I was wrong on what I said about Mo and his agent.. Mo has a non exclusive franchise tag so his agent can shop around.. It's not any question I mind at all,but you seem to feel that if anyone disagree's about your opinion they are automatically wrong.. I do agree some get paid way more then their talent dictates my point was I hope the Jets don't make that mistake is all I meant.. Never said that, wrong has nothing to do with it. Its just that because you get paid JJ money or more than JJ money it has nothing to do with being as good as or better than JJ. It has everything to do with being a FA at the right time. Look at O Vernon and the Giants, no way on earth hes worth 85 mil. Its just when you hit the market. I actually wish they could find the right trade partner and work out a deal with compensation that makes sense. Mo's in a position to get paid, its not his fault and this is a business. Just as no one should cry when someones career takes a downward turn and is cut, no one should cry when a career goes up and the team needs to pay what that player is worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 4 hours ago, Savage69 said: If Mo and his agent weren't asking for the moon then the Jets get a 1st but no sane GM is going to give up a 1st and pay a huge contract.. Mac doesn't have to give up a 1st and he's not giving Mo what he wants.. He's looking for a contract he is worth. A legitimately elite player in a high priority position entering the prime of his career. We're one of the few teams in the league who can afford to off-load a talent like that because of what else we have on the line, even then I'd still rather we didn't. If we're going to lose Richardson we better at least be giving ourselves to the best chance ro get elite talent in return. ******* second round picks - Have a look at some of garbage we've used those on in recent years. The last one that you say worked out was Harris. No way should we cave for anything lower than a first, keep him instead and commit to building around an elite line. People seriously underrate it on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 9 minutes ago, Irish Jet said: He's looking for a contract he is worth. A legitimately elite player in a high priority position entering the prime of his career. We're one of the few teams in the league who can afford to off-load a talent like that because of what else we have on the line, even then I'd still rather we didn't. If we're going to lose Richardson we better at least be giving ourselves to the best chance ro get elite talent in return. ******* second round picks - Have a look at some of garbage we've used those on in recent years. The last one that you say worked out was Harris. No way should we cave for anything lower than a first, keep him instead and commit to building around an elite line. People seriously underrate it on here. In your opinion what would that contract be?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 5 minutes ago, Savage69 said: I your opinion what would that contract be?? Numbers hurt my head. Honestly I'm not fully clear on what the full cap implications are but he's definitely worth top 5 money. Watt is the only guy I'd say is a level above him. I just don't want to see us lose one of the few elite players we have, probably our best player and not get the appropriate value. This is the Jets, if we get a 2nd we're good value to screw it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share Posted March 14, 2016 A look at what's going on around the New York Jets : ~ ~ 7. A Sapp-y story : The folks at ESPN Stats & Information consistently produce fascinating nuggets on players. I like this one in particular, which comes from its free-agent package: Muhammad Wilkerson had more sacks last season (12) than any 300-pounder since Warren Sapp in 2000. That's saying something. rest of above article : > http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/59003/former-bears-gm-jets-rb-matt-forte-has-chuck-foreman-like-traits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted March 15, 2016 Author Share Posted March 15, 2016 Pats trade Chandler Jones to Cards for Jonathan Cooper, draft pick > http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14980555/chandler-jones-traded-new-england-patriots-arizona-cardinals-jonathan-cooper-draft-pick ~ ~ does this ^ ^ trade set the " market " for Mo ? ? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsons Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 2 minutes ago, kelly said: Pats trade Chandler Jones to Cards for Jonathan Cooper, draft pick > http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14980555/chandler-jones-traded-new-england-patriots-arizona-cardinals-jonathan-cooper-draft-pick ~ ~ does this ^ ^ trade set the " market " for Mo ? ? ? no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 49 minutes ago, kelly said: Pats trade Chandler Jones to Cards for Jonathan Cooper, draft pick > http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14980555/chandler-jones-traded-new-england-patriots-arizona-cardinals-jonathan-cooper-draft-pick ~ ~ does this ^ ^ trade set the " market " for Mo ? ? ? only if you a very limited mental capacity. Or serious gender confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 On March 11, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Savage69 said: They should have let Mo and his agent see what teams wanted to pay him his Watt plus contract and they may have adjusted their terms back to reality.. Fitz and his agent are learning that now.. Mo needs the Jets' permission to do this? He's a free agent who is tagged but not under contract. I'd think Mo can talk to anyone he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted March 16, 2016 Author Share Posted March 16, 2016 14 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said: Mo needs the Jets' permission to do this? He's a free agent who is tagged but not under contract. I'd think Mo can talk to anyone he wants. How Chandler Jones trade impacts Jets, Mo Wilkerson The New England Patriots' stunning trade on Tuesday -- Chandler Jones to theArizona Cardinals -- triggers a few thoughts about Muhammad Wilkerson, the subject of trade speculation. He and Jones are two of the better defensive ends in the league. They're both 26, and their production over the past four seasons is comparable: Wilkerson has 33.5 sacks, Jones 36. The No. 1 takeaway on the Jones trade: There's one less buyer in the defensive-end market. The trade reinforces how difficult it would be for the New York Jetsto trade Wilkerson. The big reason is money.Jones will make $7.79 million in the final year of his contract. Wilkerson, whose franchise tag is worth $15.7 million, wouldn't agree to a long-term deal (a prerequisite in a tag-and-trade scenario) unless it includes at least $40 million in guarantees. And that's probably a conservative estimate.You have to think the Cardinals, desperate for an edge rusher, gave some thought to Wilkerson. In the end, they probably looked at the price tags, deciding they would rather go one year with Jones than opening the vault for Wilkerson. That's why teams are skittish about the tag-and-trade: It costs a lot of money, plus there is the compensation. The Patriots are getting a late second-round pick and oft-injured guard/centerJonathan Cooper, a former top-10 pick. Cooper is a serviceable starter at best, so this was basically Jones for a second-rounder.How would you feel if the Jets traded Wilkerson, their best defensive player, for a second-round pick? Probably not too good.If the Jones trade sets the trade market for top defensive ends, the Jets will have a hard time prying a first-round pick out of a team. I still believe the Jets are open to dealing Wilkerson before or during the draft, but it would take a special circumstance to make it happen. I also don't think the Jets have ruled out a long-term deal for Wilkerson, although my gut tells me he'll end up playing in 2016 for the franchise number. As for the Patriots' trade, it's always fascinating to dissect Bill Belichick's moves. His history shows he would rather trade a player a year too early than a year too late. With four key defensive players entering the final year of their contract, he decided to cut bait with Jones rather than be held hostage by his contract demands after the season. Belichick didn't get enough in return, but he probably figures he would've received nothing next year, when Jones will be a free agent.Could the Jets have done the same with Wilkerson? The thought crossed Mike Maccagnan's mind last spring; remember, the general manager was willing to listen to offers before and during the draft, especially after they picked Leonard Williams. Maccagnan decided to stand pat; the Patriots acted swiftly. Two rivals, two different philosophies. > http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/59056/how-the-chandler-jones-trade-impacts-the-jets-and-mo-wilkerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mphtrilogy Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 I think Mac has chosen to get two great years out of Wilk, not break the bank on a position of strength and worst case he gets a 3rd rd comp pick if he has to let Mo walk. Not the worst case, not the best, but certainly a serviceable approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted March 16, 2016 Author Share Posted March 16, 2016 Tuesday's trade of Chandler Jones to Arizona was a rarity in so many ways. It came out of nowhere, includes a big-name young star, and it makes a lot of sense for both teams.There simply aren't many trades in NFL history that include two of the best teams in the NFL and one of the league's most productive young pass rushers. The Patriots received a former top-10 pick (guard Jonathan Cooper) and a second-round pick in exchange for Jones, although the compensation was only part of the equation. So why did the Patriots trade Jones ? He was going to cost too much Jones was due "only" $7.79 million in 2016, the final year of his rookie deal. While that number was fourth highest on the Patriots' roster, it is a reasonable figure for someone with 36 career sacks in 55 games. The problem was going to hit in 2017. Olivier Vernon's five-year, $85 million contract with the New York Giants sent a chill through front offices around the league with young pass rushers. If Vernon is worth $52 million in guarantees, Jones should get more. And he probably will from the Cardinals.This deal only makes sense for Arizona if it locks up Jones to a long-term contract. The Cardinalsare desperate for a pass rusher that can win one-on-one matchups and Jones provides that. But Jones is not worth a second-round pick and Cooper unless the Cardinals have him for more than one season. The Patriots knew Jones' time in New England was short. Jones was low on Patriots' priority list After a lull in finding defensive cornerstones in the draft, coach Bill Belichick started hitting on players again in 2012. Now they have good problems in deciding who to keep. Dont'a Hightower and Jamie Collins are both entering contract years, and it would have been impossible for the Patriots to re-sign both players and Jones. Cornerback Malcolm Butler is also due a new contract as a potential restricted free agent in 2017. Hightower is a Belichick favorite, an intelligent and versatile linebacker who would fit right in with the early 2000s Patriots linebacker core.Collins, along with Jones, is one of the freakiest athletes in the NFL. He can rush the passer, pursue running backs, and cover tight ends down the field (unless that tight end is named Owen Daniels). Collins' versatility allows Belichick to get creative with his front seven and would theoretically be harder to replace than Jones. As a pass rusher with big sack numbers, Jones' contract negotiations also figured to get complicated.Still, Jones was New England's best pure pass rusher. He could do it from defensive end, linebacker or defensive tackle. The Patriots probably feel they can get by with their depth at defensive end.Jabaal Sheard was very effective last year as a free-agent pickup and Rob Ninkovich remains a key player. They further bolstered the position Tuesday by agreeing to terms on a one-year deal with veteran Chris Long. The Patriots also selected two defensive ends in the middle rounds of the draft last year. The Patriots essentially just chose to minimize the damage of Jones' inevitable departure, getting something while they could. They need the draft pick The Patriots had their first-round draft pick taken away as part of their Deflategate penalty, so Arizona's second-round pick gives them additional ammunition to replace Jones in the draft. The Patriots now have four picks in the top 100: No. 60, No. 61, No. 91 and No. 96 -- that last one is a compensatory pick. The Patriots could have squeezed another season out of Jones and expected a late third-round compensatory pick back if he left as a free agent next year. But that calculation gets complicated; the compensatory pick could be offset if the Patriots signed any big free agents. Instead, the Patriots get a pick one round higher and Cooper in return. It's hard to know how much value Cooper has. The Patriots need interior line help, but the No. 7 overall pick of the 2013 draft has barely played as a pro because of injuries and ineffectiveness. He was workmanlike in 2015. He's a flier, albeit one with upside.The Cardinals, like the Patriots, are in win-now mode with an aging quarterback. They need to re-sign Jones for this contract to make sense, but it's worth noting they are taking on some risk. Jones' issues Chandler Jones apologized in January for making a "stupid mistake" in the week before the Patriots' playoff game against Kansas City. NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported that Jones had a bad reaction to synthetic marijuana. Jones showed up at a nearby police station according to a police report with his shirt off. Jones was never known as a difficult player to coach, but the incident certainly didn't help his chances of getting another contract in New England. There was also occassional grumbling in New England that Jones was an inconsistent player. He had stretches of dominance followed by periods of quiet. That's typical of many good, but not great pass rushers. Jones played a ton of snaps, but Pro Football Focus never ranked him as a truly elite pass rusher. Steve Palazzolo @PFF_Steve Chandler Jones pass rush grades among edge rushers: 2012: 25th 2013: 70th 2014: 29th 2015: 40th 2:58 PM - 15 Mar 2016 We believe Jones' athleticism and sheer talent make him more valuable than the numbers above. The Cardinals have only had one player with 10-plus sacks in the last 11 years. Jones has done it twice, and could thrive on a talented Arizona defense.This is a rare trade in many ways, and it could wind up being even rarer in retrospect: A win for both teams. > http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000644691/article/why-did-the-patriots-trade-chandler-jones-to-cardinals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted March 16, 2016 Author Share Posted March 16, 2016 23 hours ago, Dcat said: only if you a very limited mental capacity. Or serious gender confusion. well.. Dcat ,..how 'bout.. ... LMIRL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 If the New York Jets want to execute a tag-and-trade with Muhammad Wilkerson, they might have to step outside the box -- the way they did in 2006 in a similar situation.Monday is the 10-year anniversary of the John Abraham blockbuster, a stunning trade because it involved three teams, the franchise tag and a talented pass-rusher in his prime. Three-team trades are a rarity in the NFL, but the Jets, Atlanta Falcons and Denver Broncos hooked up for a move that had a major impact on all three organizations.In the end, each team ended up with a big name. The Jets drafted center Nick Mangold, the Broncos drafted quarterback Jay Cutler and the Falcons were happy with Abraham, who was only 27. Obviously, that was a few regimes ago for the Jets. The current administration isn't believed to be actively shopping Wilkerson, only 26, but the phone lines are open. If presented with an intriguing offer, the Jets would consider it. A tag-and-trade is challenging because of the amount of salary and trade compensation involved. It takes at least three motivated parties -- two teams and the player. In 2006, it was four parties. Five, actually. The Jets, led by a rookie general manager (Mike Tannenbaum) and a rookie head coach (Eric Mangini), didn't want to invest big money in Abraham. There were off-the-field concerns, and they didn't know if he could play linebacker in their new 3-4 defense. They tagged him and put him on the trading block, receiving interest from the Falcons and Seattle Seahawks, who offered their first-round draft pick (31st overall). The Falcons owned the 15th pick, which they felt was too much for Abraham, so they found a willing trade partner in the Broncos (29th). The Falcons swapped places with the Broncos, receiving two middle-round choices for dropping down but staying ahead of the Seahawks. They sent the 29th pick to the Jets, who earlier tried to extract backup quarterback Matt Schaub from the Falcons. At No. 29 the Jets actually considered taking running back Joseph Addai before choosing Mangold. Smart choice. Ten years and seven Pro Bowls later, Mangold still is a key component on the Jets' roster.Abraham got his money -- a lot of it. He signed a six-year, $45 million contract, and delivered 68.5 sacks and two Pro Bowls in seven seasons for Atlanta.The Broncos? They traded up again, picking Cutler with the 11th pick. They sent him packing after only three seasons, so they probably weren't as happy with the outcome as the Jets and Falcons. That was 10 years ago. Time flies. Should the Jets try it again with Wilkerson ? > http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/59104/tag-youre-gone-revisiting-jets-trade-of-john-abraham-pay-attention-mo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 In a message to fans and, no doubt, potential suitors, Muhammad Wilkerson took to social media on Friday to provide an update on his status as he rehabs a surgically repaired broken leg. This time, the New York Jets' Pro Bowl defensive end posted a video of himself walking on an Alter G -- an anti-gravity treadmill that allows a person to run or walk at a reduced body weight. Wilkerson said he's "staying ahead of schedule. Coming back better than ever." Muhammad Wilkerson ✔@mowilkerson No crutches, no boot! Gr8 to be on Alter G in compression sock & sneakers. Staying ahead of…https://www.instagram.com/p/BDGcF7xuETJ/ 12:11 PM - 18 Mar 2016 Technically, Wilkerson is a free agent, but he has the franchise tag ($15.7 million), severely limiting his market. His best chance for landing a long-term contract is to make it happen with the Jets (unlikely at this point) or entice another team to do it via a tag-and-trade.Wilkerson broke his leg in the final game and had surgery a week later. The Jets have said it's a six-month rehab. > http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/59109/injured-jets-de-mo-wilkerson-says-hes-coming-back-better-than-ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted March 19, 2016 Author Share Posted March 19, 2016 Rich CiminiESPN Staff Writer Jets GM Mike Maccagnan didn't rule out the possibility of trading DE Muhammad Wilkerson (franchise tag). "It's not something we're actively pursuing ... (but) we'll see how it plays out." Wilkerson is counting $15.7 million on the cap, and the team is almost out of cap room. > http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyj/new-york-jets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 The tag amount isn't what a limiting Mo's trade value. It's the pick(s). The money is in line with - probably less than - what he's seeking per year anyway so that's not a problem for another team to get around. Franchise tag salary is only a problem if the tag amount is a good amount more than he'd cost annually on a new deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 10 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: The tag amount isn't what a limiting Mo's trade value. It's the pick(s). The money is in line with - probably less than - what he's seeking per year anyway so that's not a problem for another team to get around. Franchise tag salary is only a problem if the tag amount is a good amount more than he'd cost annually on a new deal. Sperm....let me run this by you. Jets trade Mo to Bucs for Glennon, and Tampa swaps picks with us(we now have #9.Tampa throws in a 3rd.Thoughts? Little out of the box, but not entirely nuts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 5 minutes ago, section314 said: Sperm....let me run this by you. Jets trade Mo to Bucs for Glennon, and Tampa swaps picks with us(we now have #9.Tampa throws in a 3rd.Thoughts? Little out of the box, but not entirely nuts? Someone on Turn on the jets said something similar to this trade using the Revis trade for a 1st and 4th..However they also said at the time Revis was considered one of the best of all time at his position something that isn't true with Mo except for a few delusional jet fans.. I would do that trade in a NY minute but the Buc's would not. Hell I'll even throw in Geno.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted March 19, 2016 Author Share Posted March 19, 2016 Muhammad Wilkerson's agent used Twitter on Saturday morning in an attempt to clarify his client's injury status, doing so with a cryptic comment that will surely fuel speculation about a possible trade. Chad Wiestling @cwiestling Barring any major setbacks with rehab, Mo Wilkerson will indeed be playing for someone at beginning of 2016 NFL season ! Why the tweet? On Friday, the New York Jets' Pro Bowl defensive end watched his alma mater, Temple, play a first-round NCAA game at New York City's Barclays Center. Wilkerson, recovering from a surgically repaired broken leg, was asked by the New York Daily News at the game if he expects to be ready by September's season opener."I don't know when," Wilkerson said. "I'm just going to take it one day at a time. When I feel like I'm ready to go out there and be 100 percent and play at an elite level, then that's when I'll be out there." That's Wilkerson's standard answer for every injury-related question. Nevertheless, it triggered a headline that gives the impression there's some doubt in his mind. Hence, the tweet from Wiestling, whose client is unsigned and looking to generate interest in the free-agent market. Which brings us to ... someone. Of the 20 words in Wiestling's tweet, that's the attention grabber. It suggests there's a chance Wilkerson will be playing elsewhere in 2016.Locked in a contract stalemate with the Jets, Wilkerson was slapped with the franchise tag, meaning his only hope of getting out of New York (if that's what he desires) is to find a team willing to execute a tag-and-trade with the Jets. On Friday, general manager Mike Maccagnan said a trade is "not something we're actively pursuing," but he didn't dismiss the possibility. Clearly, the Jets are willing to listen to offers. Thing is, there are no known suitors for Wilkerson, who has to be frustrated by his current predicament.Barring a long-term deal with the Jets, which seems unlikely, Wilkerson could end up playing for the franchise tender in 2016 -- $15.7 million. It's not ideal for him or the team, which can lower his cap charge with a new contract, but it appears to be moving in that direction. Wilkerson seems OK with the idea of returning to the Jets. "It's great," he told the newspaper. "Jet fans are great. This organization is great. So just looking forward to good things moving forward." That, too, sounds like a standard line. > http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/59132/agent-jets-de-mo-wilkerson-will-be-playing-for-someone-in-2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 7 minutes ago, Savage69 said: Someone on Turn on the jets said something similar to this trade using the Revis trade for a 1st and 4th..However they also said at the time Revis was considered one of the best of all time at his position something that isn't true with Mo except for a few delusional jet fans.. I would do that trade in a NY minute but the Buc's would not. Hell I'll even throw in Geno.. Ok, the Geno bit is the deal breaker. Seriously, from Tampa's perspective they trade a back-up for a 26 year old DE in the prime of his career coming off a pro-bowl season, and still have a first round pick. Maybe haggle over 3rd v 4th rounder, but don't think it's that crazy. Jets are really taking the bigger risk here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 11 minutes ago, section314 said: Sperm....let me run this by you. Jets trade Mo to Bucs for Glennon, and Tampa swaps picks with us(we now have #9.Tampa throws in a 3rd.Thoughts? Little out of the box, but not entirely nuts? My thought is we'd never get close to that in return. I'm guessing (maybe optimistically) Mo's trade value is a low #1 or possibly even a higher #2 plus a 4th or lower, because of the mega contract his new team would also have to fork over. Even with that, they'd be valuing Mo over 3 other would-be starters (a high draft pick plus two other $6-10M/year starters). I'd like for it to be more, but would be shocked if we could get a top 20 pick for him. So if that's even Mo's trade value, in this scenario Tampa would be seeking a Mo/Glennon player swap even-up (more or less). We'd never ALSO get their top 10 pick AND their #11 pick in round 3 (which is really like the 10th pick in round 3 because NE is docked their 1st rounder). If we were able to get just Tampa's (or anyone's) top 10 pick alone for Mo, that trade would have been done already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 2 minutes ago, section314 said: Ok, the Geno bit is the deal breaker. Seriously, from Tampa's perspective they trade a back-up for a 26 year old DE in the prime of his career coming off a pro-bowl season, and still have a first round pick. Maybe haggle over 3rd v 4th rounder, but don't think it's that crazy. Jets are really taking the bigger risk here. The Jets are freeing up 15.7 million and getting a higher 1st rd pick.. After giving up 2 1st rd picks for KJ and a 1st and 4th for Revis I don't think the Buc's want to trade with the Jets anymore..LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 8 minutes ago, Savage69 said: The Jets are freeing up 15.7 million and getting a higher 1st rd pick.. After giving up 2 1st rd picks for KJ and a 1st and 4th for Revis I don't think the Buc's want to trade with the Jets anymore..LOL Make no mistake, Jets won the Revis trade. Easily. Him going to New England is a separate transaction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Make no mistake, Jets won the Revis trade. Easily. Him going to New England is a separate transaction Which is why I said I doubt the Buc's trade with the Jets anymore since we won the KJ trade as well.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 7 minutes ago, section314 said: Ok, the Geno bit is the deal breaker. Seriously, from Tampa's perspective they trade a back-up for a 26 year old DE in the prime of his career coming off a pro-bowl season, and still have a first round pick. Maybe haggle over 3rd v 4th rounder, but don't think it's that crazy. Jets are really taking the bigger risk here. No the problem is Mo is SO expensive that Tampa is giving up as many as 4 starters in exchange for 1 starter. And I don't mean 3 or 4 low-level ones. Mo is seeking somewhere between $16-20M/year (where he's looking for in that range is anyone's guess, but no way is he seeking less than that. Particularly after Vernon got $17M/year). Say he's seeking "only" - or can get no more than - Vernon's amount: $17M per. A #9 pick will get approximately a $3.5M/year contract. So Mo will cost another $13.5M than their #9 pick. Uncertainty aside, this pick is expected to yield an above average starter (if not a superstar). A 3rd round pick you're looking at a reasonable chance of a hopeful starter (or an almost certain 2nd stringer). A damn cheap one at that, around $750K/year. Then you're still looking at another $13M per year, every year, that they can't spend elsewhere. They could use that on one pro bowl level $13M/year starter, or one near-pro bowl level starter at $8-9M plus another $4-5M for someone else (Gilchrist level). You could be talking about 4 starters. That's a lot for a team to swallow unless they think they're a Mo Wilkerson away from being a SB contender. Risk in the draft aside, this is why teams often let star players go to free agency every year. Because their prior team found no one was going to fork over picks - even a conditional low pick - for the privilege of paying that player a franchise-level salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 4 starters is selling it a little short, no? I'd think a decent drafting team might get as many as a half dozen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Good reasons for Raiders, Hawks and Browns to be calling but are they? http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25522113/why-adding-muhammad-wilkerson-to-the-rising-raiders-makes-so-much-sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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