JustInFudge Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Powell was on the team in 2014 and was the punt returner for 1/4 of the season. He sucked. He was a rookie, but he had an opportunity. He had a nice little preseason, but I would imagine that he didn't show much in camp either. I think mediocre is "fine". That may be the issue. Based on our coverage teams, it is quite possible that JiF has a point about the blocking. Oh its definitely a problem. They dont have a good scheme at all. Every time he fielded a punt on Sunday, he had 1 or 2 guys running free at him. That little 20 yard return he had, he had to make 2 guys miss immediately and then another to get up the sideline. There is a reason he has to fair catch so many. It's really bad. They seem very scared to get flagged on the return team. There have been 200+ punts this season and only 6 TD's. It's not like every team is doing it, every week. Its rare and typically a product of blown coverage. The only guy you constantly see making people miss is Landry. This is a classic case of bitching just to bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 I watched Kerley makes guys miss on Sunday. He's averaging better than half the league. Kerley is fine. Okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Powell was on the team in 2014 and was the punt returner for 1/4 of the season. He sucked. He was a rookie, but he had an opportunity. He had a nice little preseason, but I would imagine that he didn't show much in camp either. I think mediocre is "fine". That may be the issue. Based on our coverage teams, it is quite possible that JiF has a point about the blocking. Honestly, Im no longer allowing anything from the Rex Ryan era to influence me when it comes to player ability, especially rookies lol. With thats said, Powell had a better preseason than Kerley returning punts. I think people saying that Powell is "better" is taking it too far, people saying that Powell should have gotten an opportunity im in complete agreement with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 seriously Matt Slater lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 agreed...How sad that a thread is started about a ST player being out. I don't know man. A good ST player can change a game. This fella is a pretty good one and it's certainly good that he's out. I'm Meh beacause the pats just know how to make scrubs into players. I doubt there will be much drop off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I don't know man. A good ST player can change a game. This fella is a pretty good one and it's certainly good that he's out. I'm Meh beacause the pats just know how to make scrubs into players. I doubt there will be much drop off. This game won't be decided by one player on ST.... Every person on every NFL roster was the best athlete in their county. All these players are rock stars.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 This guy is one of the best gunners in all of football! Could help us get a good punt return. Gostkowski usually kicks touchbacks. Every little bit helps. Be nice if Hightower is still out. Kerley loves fair catches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted October 22, 2015 Author Share Posted October 22, 2015 agreed...How sad that a thread is started about a ST player being out. your such a d*ck! How do you think Belichick wins so many games? Because they get the edge in every game they play somehow! One slipped tackle, one long punt return can be the difference in one game. In football, every single play counts, one play at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljr Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Outside of Folk every other player on ST could improve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 seriously Matt Slater lmao Huge loss. Pats have to figure out new way to cheat before Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jared Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 seriously Matt Slater lmao http://grantland.com/the-triangle/matthew-slater-special-teams-new-england-patriots/ Seven years later, Slater is on his way to his second Super Bowl and is widely regarded as one of the NFL’s best — if not the best — special teams players. He was voted into his fourth consecutive Pro Bowl this year, two away from former Buffalo Bills gunner Steve Tasker’s record of six straight, has made three of the last four All-Pro teams,1 and has been a team captain since 2011. The guys is one of the absolute BEST at his job. While I understand that "best gunner ever" and "special teams captain" is not held in the same regard as even say "#3 WR" by most fans, the guy is great at what he does. The teams that don't value special teams are the ones constantly bobbling punt returns, giving up long returns, being caught flat footed when the other team runs a fake, etc. I understand why someone would not value special teams as much as offense or defense, but it definitely still has a role to play, and should not be brushed off lightly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thshadow Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 So this is a great thread and all, and I hate to derail it with actual facts - but who says that Matthew Slater is actually out? He was "limited" in practice today. http://espn.go.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4786551/in-pleasant-surprise-for-patriots-matthew-slater-plays-on He hasn't yet been declared out for Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Kerley had a good day on Sunday. He is not a bad punt returner. He is mid-pack in average and not particularly high on fair catch list either, though some of those guys played an extra game. He is averaging more than guys like McCluster and De'Anthony Thomas that we thought would be instant upgrades. problem is he's wildly inconsistent he will have a couple of decent returns that make his average seem middle of the pack but he just sucks and has terrible vision on returns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 This game won't be decided by one player on ST.... Every person on every NFL roster was the best athlete in their county. All these players are rock stars.... Indeed. But it very much can be won by one player. Even if not, it's a team game, as I'm sure you are aware. A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. If losing a truly gifted ST ace weakens a link in the chain it's a positive that I'll take. Remember the 2009-10 years? Brad Smith essentially won a couple of those games for us, or at minimum changed the game's momentum. If those teams had a top notch gunner, maybe he never gets those scores or great returns and it's a different history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Huge loss. Pats have to figure out new way to cheat before Sunday. More pick plays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaJetsFan Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I'll get excited when I read "Tom Brady Out for Pats." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 problem is he's wildly inconsistent he will have a couple of decent returns that make his average seem middle of the pack but he just sucks and has terrible vision on returns This is the problem with the eye test. Villain says that Kerley doesn't scare anybody and doesn't break a big one, you say he has a couple of decent returns that make his average seem middle of the pack. Make up your minds. Is he inconsistent or incapable of breaking one? The guy is a mid-level returner man. I understand that. What people don't seem to understand is that Walt Powell and guys like Jalen Saunders are considerably worse than mid-level. Worse than that, they give you nothing in the other aspects of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Indeed. But it very much can be won by one player. Even if not, it's a team game, as I'm sure you are aware. A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. If losing a truly gifted ST ace weakens a link in the chain it's a positive that I'll take. Remember the 2009-10 years? Brad Smith essentially won a couple of those games for us, or at minimum changed the game's momentum. If those teams had a top notch gunner, maybe he never gets those scores or great returns and it's a different history. Yes...of course. One player, especially if he is a Brady or Gronk, Beckham, perhaps a Revis. I just find it amusing that the loss of a gunner is thought to be a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYs Stepchild Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 This is the problem with the eye test. Villain says that Kerley doesn't scare anybody and doesn't break a big one, you say he has a couple of decent returns that make his average seem middle of the pack. Make up your minds. Is he inconsistent or incapable of breaking one? The guy is a mid-level returner man. I understand that. What people don't seem to understand is that Walt Powell and guys like Jalen Saunders are considerably worse than mid-level. Worse than that, they give you nothing in the other aspects of the game. He's middle of the pack because fair catches are not factored into return yard average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 He's middle of the pack because fair catches are not factored into return yard average. Once again, a nice theory except that he does not fair catch more balls than other returners. Guys like GInn, Edelman and Antonio Brown fair catch at least as much and Jet fans don't bust on them. Most of this comes from 2012 when he set the record, but he has not been fair catching so much since. Hell, Landry had the same number of returns in 2014 and he had six more fair catches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 More pick plays? I was thinking more on the headsets tuning into Howard Stern on Sirius radio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 I was thinking more on the headsets tuning into Howard Stern on Sirius radio. If the Pats can pull that off they deserve to win. Thats just great radio right there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thshadow Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 I'll get excited when I read "Tom Brady Out for Pats." I hear he's probable with a shoulder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 If the Pats can pull that off they deserve to win. Thats just great radio right there! The NE audio and video guys can do anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 The NE audio and video guys can do anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 I'll get excited when I read "Tom Brady Out for Pats." And yet last time that happened... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 April is a terrible STs coach. Like absolutely terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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