..Worst QB draft... of recent memory ~ ~ ~

[kelly]

It's not too early to call it: The QB draft class of 2013 is the worst of recent memory. EJ Manuel, the 16th overall pick, and Geno Smith, the second QB off the board at No. 39, have lost their starting gigs in Year 3, and there isn't anything close to a Russell Wilson type among the later picks. What happened? Here are all the gory details.

What We Thought

Give it up for stats: The numbers never liked these guys. EJ Manuel and Geno Smith combined for a 68.6 college QBR, the lowest among the past five classes of Round 1 and 2 QBs. NC State's Mike Glennon was the only other QB drafted before Round 4 -- turns out, the Jets and Bills were reaching into a very shallow talent pool.

College QBR of Round 1 and 2 QBs last five years

EJ Manuel
Buffalo bought into Manuel's FSU pro-style pedigree, but his 74.5 QBR as a senior (26th in the FBS) foretold an NFL letdown.

What We Saw

A draft class' true identity can't hide after three seasons, and the verdict is in a few months early for this group. No quarterback who entered the league in 2013 is currently starting, and Manuel and Smith have combined for a dismal 40.6 career QBR, well below the other classes since 2011. The Bills averaged 7.5 wins and the Jets six over the 2013 and '14 seasons before looking for new starters in 2015.

Round 1 and 2 QBs through three years in NFL

Geno Smith
WVU's spread did not prep Smith for NFL defenses. Since he entered the league, he is the only QB to throw at least 30 picks on fewer than 1,000 attempts.

What We Learned

The Bills and Jets both overreached. Smith failed to handle pressure in the pocket and in the locker room, while Manuel was a below-average game manager (26.9 completion rate on throws 20 or more yards downfield, third lowest among QBs since '13). The best of the class, Glennon, was the third off the board -- and he ended up with Jameis Winston's clipboard.

QBs to start from 2013 class

 

Mike Glennon
Rather than reach, the Bucs waited until the third round for Glennon, whose 29-15 TD/INT ratio is No. 14 since '13, despite his facing a blitz on 38.9 percent of dropbacks (an NFL high).

>     http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14067220/ej-manuel-geno-smith-headline-worst-qb-draft-recent-memory

[Beerfish]

The Jets did not 'reach' for Geno Smith.  They made two picks in the 1st round before they picked him, they did not trade up to get him. They needed a QB.  I am not at all a fan of Geno but his 29 starts looks better than the other guys in the draft class.  It was a good value pick to take a consensus top 2 QB in the draft with your 3rd pick overall without trading up.

[FidelioJet]

The Jets did not 'reach' for Geno Smith.  They made two picks in the 1st round before they picked him, they did not trade up to get him. They needed a QB.  I am not at all a fan of Geno but his 29 starts looks better than the other guys in the draft class.  It was a good value pick to take a consensus top 2 QB in the draft with your 3rd pick overall without trading up.

Yes, the Jets need to keep taking QB's until they find.  They shouldn't reach, but if one's there and it's reasonable you take him.   Petty is a good example too...he may not amount to anything but you can't say they reached or wasn't worth the shot.  Keep taking shots...

[Savage69]

The Jets did not 'reach' for Geno Smith.  They made two picks in the 1st round before they picked him, they did not trade up to get him. They needed a QB.  I am not at all a fan of Geno but his 29 starts looks better than the other guys in the draft class.  It was a good value pick to take a consensus top 2 QB in the draft with your 3rd pick overall without trading up.

2013 wasn't a good year for QB's for sure.. However I think Geno's 27 td's and 35 picks in 29 games isn't as good as Glennon's 29 td's and 15 picks in 18 games.. Were you trying to make Foe sad??

[Stonehands]

Geno was a good pick, he just has not worked out.  You make that pick every time when you don't have a QB and move on when it doesn't work out.

[Jetsfan80]

2009 was pretty horrible too.

NAME	POS	SCHOOL	ROUND	PK(OVR)	TEAM
Matthew Stafford	QB	Georgia	1	1(1)	Detroit
Mark Sanchez	QB	USC	1	5(5)	NY Jets
Josh Freeman	QB	Kansas State	1	17(17)	Tampa Bay
Stephen McGee	QB	Texas A&M	4	1(101)	Dallas
Rhett Bomar	QB	Sam Houston State	5	15(151)	NY Giants
Nate Davis	QB	Ball State	5	35(171)	San Francisco
Tom Brandstater	QB	Fresno State	6	1(174)	Denver
Mike Teel	QB	Rutgers	6	5(178)	Seattle
Keith Null	QB	West Texas A&M	6	23(196)	St. Louis
Curtis Painter	QB	Purdue	6	28(201)	Indianapolis

 

Ouch.  2 first round busts and not a single winner from the mid-round pile either.

[BowlesMovement]

I absolutely hated the Geno pick when it was made and really wanted them to wait for Glennon. Not that I loved Glennon as much as I thought Geno was going to be really bad for the franchise in two ways:

1) Being seen as a 1st round pick, and with everyone despising how Sanchez, he would be forced to play earlier rather than later to get rid of Sanchez and there was no way he was ready for that

2) Being a "high" pick, we would pass on QB prospects in following years. And we passed on 2 that look pretty damn good right now in Carr and Bridgewater.

 

 

[Beerfish]

2013 wasn't a good year for QB's for sure.. However I think Geno's 27 td's and 35 picks in 29 games isn't as good as Glennon's 29 td's and 15 picks in 18 games.. Were you trying to make Foe sad??

I like Glennon better than Geno and would like it if we got him to be honest.  I was just looking at the starts because that is what the article seemed to prominently show.

[nj meadowlands]

2009 was pretty horrible too.

NAME	POS	SCHOOL	ROUND	PK(OVR)	TEAM
Matthew Stafford	QB	Georgia	1	1(1)	Detroit
Mark Sanchez	QB	USC	1	5(5)	NY Jets
Josh Freeman	QB	Kansas State	1	17(17)	Tampa Bay
Stephen McGee	QB	Texas A&M	4	1(101)	Dallas
Rhett Bomar	QB	Sam Houston State	5	15(151)	NY Giants
Nate Davis	QB	Ball State	5	35(171)	San Francisco
Tom Brandstater	QB	Fresno State	6	1(174)	Denver
Mike Teel	QB	Rutgers	6	5(178)	Seattle
Keith Null	QB	West Texas A&M	6	23(196)	St. Louis
Curtis Painter	QB	Purdue	6	28(201)	Indianapolis

 

Ouch.  2 first round busts and not a single winner from the mid-round pile either.

Rhett Bomar lol

[nyjunc]

2009 was pretty horrible too.

NAME	POS	SCHOOL	ROUND	PK(OVR)	TEAM
Matthew Stafford	QB	Georgia	1	1(1)	Detroit
Mark Sanchez	QB	USC	1	5(5)	NY Jets
Josh Freeman	QB	Kansas State	1	17(17)	Tampa Bay
Stephen McGee	QB	Texas A&M	4	1(101)	Dallas
Rhett Bomar	QB	Sam Houston State	5	15(151)	NY Giants
Nate Davis	QB	Ball State	5	35(171)	San Francisco
Tom Brandstater	QB	Fresno State	6	1(174)	Denver
Mike Teel	QB	Rutgers	6	5(178)	Seattle
Keith Null	QB	West Texas A&M	6	23(196)	St. Louis
Curtis Painter	QB	Purdue	6	28(201)	Indianapolis

 

Ouch.  2 first round busts and not a single winner from the mid-round pile either.

busts don't help teams reach postseason and championship games.

[fitzgod]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/positions/_/year/2007/quarterbacks

2007 was the worst ever - all rounds 1-7

2009 was the worst ever first round only with Stafford at 1, Buttfumbling Bustchez 5 and Freeman third in the teens

2013 not nearly as bad IMO

[nyjunc]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/positions/_/year/2007/quarterbacks

 

 

2007 was the worst ever - all rounds 1-7

 

2009 was the worst ever first round only with Stafford at 1, Buttfumbling Bustchez 5 and Freeman third in the teens

 

2013 not nearly as bad IMO

how was 2013's 1st rd better than 2009?

[fitzgod]

how was 2013's 1st rd better than 2009?

They were smart enough to only waste one first round pick

In 2009 they drafted three of the most massive QB busts in the first round two of them at numbers 1 and 5

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[nyjunc]

 

 

 

They were smart enough to only waste one first round pick

 

In 2009 they drafted three of the most massive QB busts in the first round two of them at numbers 1 and 5

 

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but one helped his team reach 2 title games coming w/in a game of playing in 2 SBs.  how is that a bust?  another has made 2 postseasons and pro bowls, how is that a bust?  you want to say they disappointed?  Ok but a bust is like Ryan Leaf or Jamarcus Russell not Sanchez or Stafford.

[Jet Nut]

busts don't help teams reach postseason and championship games.

Youre right.  But it doesnt pertain to Sanchez.

But you also believe that Sanchez helped the Jets reach the postseason and championship games.  The list of who was responsible for getting us there puts Sanchez way down that list.

He was the 5th overall pick who never had a great season, was basically a nothing QB and if anyone was available would have been out after 3 or 4 seasons.  Or translated, a bust

 

[nyjunc]

Youre right.  But it doesnt pertain to Sanchez.

But you also believe that Sanchez helped the Jets reach the postseason and championship games.  The list of who was responsible for getting us there puts Sanchez way down that list.

He was the 5th overall pick who never had a great season, was basically a nothing QB and if anyone was available would have been out after 3 or 4 seasons.  Or translated, a bust

 

never had a great season but had a very good one in 2010 and was a key to that run.  2009 he was more along for the ride though he played outstanding in postseason.  it's amazing how Jet fans give him no credit as if we had the mid 80s Bears D's(who themselves couldn't win w/o quality QB play).  Mark was vital to those runs and the organization ruined him by taking away all the talent around him.  No he was never going to be elite or great but he was a QB we knew we could win with.  That's far from a bust, Browning Nagle was a bust mark was good for us.

[flgreen]

Geno was a good pick, he just has not worked out.  You make that pick every time when you don't have a QB and move on when it doesn't work out.

Yeah, got to agree with this.  I didn't like smith coming out, and was afraid they were going to take him with one of the 1st.   In the 2nd he had good valueand was worth the pick.

 

Now it's time to move on, and I think they will

[Jet Nut]

never had a great season but had a very good one in 2010 and was a key to that run.  2009 he was more along for the ride though he played outstanding in postseason.  it's amazing how Jet fans give him no credit as if we had the mid 80s Bears D's(who themselves couldn't win w/o quality QB play).  Mark was vital to those runs and the organization ruined him by taking away all the talent around him.  No he was never going to be elite or great but he was a QB we knew we could win with.  That's far from a bust, Browning Nagle was a bust mark was good for us.

Nagle was a 2nd round pick, not the 5th pick of the entire draft.  Nagle wasnt the 2nd QB taken. 

Sanchez was a bust, no matter if Nagle was or wasnt a bust.  

Mark was never, ever vital to those runs.  He went for the ride, his best games were the games where he wasnt noticeable.  You're rewriting history.  Again

[jgb]

Geno was not a horrible pick at the time Jets needed QB and he was considered a first round talent by many. Good risk/reward. BUT that does not justify continuing to give him more and more chances. He stinks, move on.

[neckdemon]

busts don't help teams reach postseason and championship games.

and the irrational sanchez love continues. 1st round/ 5th pick. not even a starting qb in the league anymore since he was 27 years old. dude is a bust. not an all time bust, but a bust just the same

[fitzgod]

and the irrational sanchez love continues. 1st round/ 5th pick. not even a starting qb in the league anymore since he was 27 years old. dude is a bust. not an all time bust, but a bust just the same

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[Kleckineau]

I wouldnt call Stafford a bust.

His career stats look pretty good.

Beinng in Detroit hasnt helped him all that much.

I think Caldwell is the latest in a long line of HC failures in Motown and his offense is dragging Stafford down.

I would trade Fitz Geno and Petty for him today.

[nyjunc]

Nagle was a 2nd round pick, not the 5th pick of the entire draft.  Nagle wasnt the 2nd QB taken. 

Sanchez was a bust, no matter if Nagle was or wasnt a bust.  

Mark was never, ever vital to those runs.  He went for the ride, his best games were the games where he wasnt noticeable.  You're rewriting history.  Again

Nagle was at the top of round 2, taken 1 spot behind some guy named Brett favre.  he was drafted to be our future, he was awful.  Sanchez went top 5 but helped us reach heights the franchise had never reached before.  if it was the 70s-90s he would have gotten more shots here to rebuild around him but in this quick fix era w/ a new, inept GM we got rid of him.  he started last year in philly and was really good.

He was VITAL to both runs, how do you explain supposed much better QBs w/ more talent around them not being able to do what mark did?

 

The only ones rewriting history are folks like yourself that really don't understand what you are watching and think you need to throw for 300 yds to have a good game.

[fitzgod]

Pretty much a waste of keystrokes for anyone to try to use facts to try and defuse the unabashed manlove of one obsessed poster for the worst highly drafted quarterback since Jamarcus Russell

Loves his buttfumble and nothing logical or factual can change this

[Jet Nut]

Nagle was at the top of round 2, taken 1 spot behind some guy named Brett favre.  he was drafted to be our future, he was awful.  Sanchez went top 5 but helped us reach heights the franchise had never reached before.  if it was the 70s-90s he would have gotten more shots here to rebuild around him but in this quick fix era w/ a new, inept GM we got rid of him.  he started last year in philly and was really good.

He was VITAL to both runs, how do you explain supposed much better QBs w/ more talent around them not being able to do what mark did?

 

The only ones rewriting history are folks like yourself that really don't understand what you are watching and think you need to throw for 300 yds to have a good game.

Sanchez was vital, lol.  Cute, no one other than a fanboy, anyone who understands the game will disagree.  

[nyjunc]

Sanchez was vital, lol.  Cute, no one other than a fanboy, anyone who understands the game will disagree.  

so with a similar team(and crappy coach as I am being told) in 2008, weaker sched and future HOF QB how many playoff games did we win?

[Jet Nut]

so with a similar team(and crappy coach as I am being told) in 2008, weaker sched and future HOF QB how many playoff games did we win?

Do you know anything about this team?  Why do you do this to yourself to defend a mediocre at best QB.  And sorry mediocre isn't what you expect to get with the 5th overall pick.

back to your clueless question, Favre and the Jets were 8-3 rolling and then he injured his throwing arm.  Wake up already. 

[section314]

The Jets did not 'reach' for Geno Smith.  They made two picks in the 1st round before they picked him, they did not trade up to get him. They needed a QB.  I am not at all a fan of Geno but his 29 starts looks better than the other guys in the draft class.  It was a good value pick to take a consensus top 2 QB in the draft with your 3rd pick overall without trading up.

It's never a good 'value" pick to take a QB who stunk in college in any round.

[Jetsfan80]

It's never a good 'value" pick to take a QB who stunk in college in any round.

He was a 3-year starter who completed over 70 % of his throws and had 42 TD's (with just 6 INT's) his senior year.  The pick was fine.  He just didn't work out in the pro game.  It happens....a lot.

[nyjunc]

Do you know anything about this team?  Why do you do this to yourself to defend a mediocre at best QB.  And sorry mediocre isn't what you expect to get with the 5th overall pick.

back to your clueless question, Favre and the Jets were 8-3 rolling and then he injured his throwing arm.  Wake up already. 

ahhh the Favre injury excuse.  I love this one.  we were rolling b/c he beat a Matt Cassell led non playoff bound Pats team then beat one and done Tennessee.  Favre had a nice 3-4 week stretch but for most of the season was the same QB.  didn't care to be here and was throwing balls up for grabs.

 

The man made his career on being the iron man, he doesn't get the injury excuse.  this was a man in games when he was supposedly healthy was outplayed by opposing QBs like Cassell(in his first EVER start), Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Tyler Thigpen.  Favre was mostly mediocre that entire season and if Mark sucks so bad shouldn't Favre at 70-80% still be better? especially against that weak sched?

[kelly]

..well,..it's Not lookin' much like that '83 draft         

[Jet Nut]

ahhh the Favre injury excuse.  I love this one.  we were rolling b/c he beat a Matt Cassell led non playoff bound Pats team then beat one and done Tennessee.  Favre had a nice 3-4 week stretch but for most of the season was the same QB.  didn't care to be here and was throwing balls up for grabs.

 

The man made his career on being the iron man, he doesn't get the injury excuse.  this was a man in games when he was supposedly healthy was outplayed by opposing QBs like Cassell(in his first EVER start), Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Tyler Thigpen.  Favre was mostly mediocre that entire season and if Mark sucks so bad shouldn't Favre at 70-80% still be better? especially against that weak sched?

this is the most clueles argument ever.  He tore his throwing arm and whine that he was.  You  are making the most clueless argument to defend Sanchez.  Guess he was a complete wuss when he missed a season.

Done giving you history and sports lessons.  You're too clueless and too big a fanboy.  Keep comparing Sanchez to real QBs and HOF QBs.  I'm sure plenty of football people are with you.  Sanchez as a rookie did more than Favre.  Ever.  Lol, wake up.

[Jet Nut]

It's never a good 'value" pick to take a QB who stunk in college in any round.

other than he didn't stink in college

its a,ways easier 3 years later to complain about the pick.  The pick was fine, most QBs don't make it.  Any round, any college history, 90% fail.

[nyjunc]

this is the most clueles argument ever.  He tore his throwing arm and whine that he was.  You  are making the most clueless argument to defend Sanchez.  Guess he was a complete wuss when he missed a season.

Done giving you history and sports lessons.  You're too clueless and too big a fanboy.  Keep comparing Sanchez to real QBs and HOF QBs.  I'm sure plenty of football people are with you.  Sanchez as a rookie did more than Favre.  Ever.  Lol, wake up.

it's such a whiny excuse, the man made his living on playing through everything.  his arm may not have been 100%(whose is that late in  season?) but it was good enough to win w/ against that creampuff sched.

 

the bottom line is this- did he play? he gets evaluated on how he played.  mark was hurt late in 2011, do you give him slack for that or do you bash him for struggles?  he played and is evaluated on how he played.  The injury thing is a lame excuse, Favre looked the same in dec as he did in October.

 

You should stop trying to give anyone lessons, you are completely clueless.

 

[LIJetsFan]

Do you know anything about this team?  Why do you do this to yourself to defend a mediocre at best QB.  And sorry mediocre isn't what you expect to get with the 5th overall pick.

back to your clueless question, Favre and the Jets were 8-3 rolling and then he injured his throwing arm.  Wake up already. 

So you admit Mark was (might have been seen by many as) mediocre.  So stop with the bust talk already. Stop with the vehement insistence.  Very disappointing for where he was picked, yes, a bust, no.  Move on.