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I am happy as anyone about this FO and their first season together, but lets wait a few years to be sure.  This pairing seems special, but I was pretty happy with the results of the Mike/Rex pairing their first 2 years.  Again, this feels different, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

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Let's also remember that this past draft was done w/ Idzik's scouts (who I believe were all fired after the draft - customary when switching GM from what I understand).  But the Fitz and Marshall acquisitions were definitely critical for this team (though Leonard WIlliams kind of fell into our lap).

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Let's also remember that this past draft was done w/ Idzik's scouts (who I believe were all fired after the draft - customary when switching GM from what I understand).  But the Fitz and Marshall acquisitions were definitely critical for this team (though Leonard WIlliams kind of fell into our lap).

He def. fell into our lap; as I understand it we tried to trade out to get a bunch of picks.  You have to recognize that Macc had the strength to pick BPA even though we were stacked at DL and had other needs.  Clearly, the Redskins didn't have the same discipline.

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He def. fell into our lap; as I understand it we tried to trade out to get a bunch of picks.  You have to recognize that Macc had the strength to pick BPA even though we were stacked at DL and had other needs.  Clearly, the Redskins didn't have the same discipline.

The long time former scout completely understands that BAP is the only way to go, especially high in the draft where there's more separation between prospects. He valued Williams, and when he was unable to get the value for him that he felt he should get in a trade, he pulled the trigger himself. 

So glad that Scherff love landed in Washington. What a dumb pick that was. 

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2 comments to this topics in response to some past comments:

1) REX/TANN made moves that were very short term thinking all the way around. Trade ups to get blue chip players and large contracts with no way out of the contracts for bad performances. That's why you saw great success early and it all fall apart after that. There moves supplied no depth and long term growth. MAC/BOWLES have made their moves thinking short and long term. You can see that in the trades i.e Fitz/Marshall, FAs Revis/Cro/Skrine/Ghilcrist/Carpenter, and draft picks Williams/Mauldin/Smith/Petty. All all contracts they gave out were reasonable for both sides short and long term and gave the team an out for performances/injuries going forward like Cromartie. Now the jury is still out, but if they maintain this approach as shown by Bowles coaching to have things always done in similiar fashion never going off the deep end, it should continue as we have been seeing. 

2) Jets and Skins both have had good success with the way they drafted with their 1st picks this year, us getting DL Williams and Skins getting OL Shereif(sp?) who has been a big impact/reason why Cousins has played as well and that O scores enough for them to be able to win when they need to.  

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2 comments to this topics in response to some past comments:

1) REX/TANN made moves that were very short term thinking all the way around. Trade ups to get blue chip players and large contracts with no way out of the contracts for bad performances. That's why you saw great success early and it all fall apart after that. There moves supplied no depth and long term growth. MAC/BOWLES have made their moves thinking short and long term. You can see that in the trades i.e Fitz/Marshall, FAs Revis/Cro/Skrine/Ghilcrist/Carpenter, and draft picks Williams/Mauldin/Smith/Petty. All all contracts they gave out were reasonable for both sides short and long term and gave the team an out for performances/injuries going forward like Cromartie. Now the jury is still out, but if they maintain this approach as shown by Bowles coaching to have things always done in similiar fashion never going off the deep end, it should continue as we have been seeing. 

2) Jets and Skins both have had good success with the way they drafted with their 1st picks this year, us getting DL Williams and Skins getting OL Shereif(sp?) who has been a big impact/reason why Cousins has played as well and that O scores enough for them to be able to win when they need to.  

While I completely agree with you on #1 - this team has a long term/short term approach and good disciplined coaching, I have to disagree with #2.  We received a few trade offers for williams so I assume the skins did too; they could have traded down a few spots (or more), got an extra player (or 2) and still drafted their guard.  I don't think you draft a guard in the top 10/15.  I think the Giants messed up too.

Either way, you have to respect Macc for drafting the BPA in a position where the Jets were deep.  You have to also respect the way Bowels (and staff) got Williams the playing time with such a stacked DL.

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Great article Kelly, thank you for that. I truly believe in my heart of hearts that the Jets are FINALLY on the right path that will lead to a Super Bowl win in the near future. Couldn't have found a better pair than Big Mac and Bowles. J-E-T-S, Jets, Jets, Jets.

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2 comments to this topics in response to some past comments:

1) REX/TANN made moves that were very short term thinking all the way around. Trade ups to get blue chip players and large contracts with no way out of the contracts for bad performances. That's why you saw great success early and it all fall apart after that. There moves supplied no depth and long term growth. MAC/BOWLES have made their moves thinking short and long term. You can see that in the trades i.e Fitz/Marshall, FAs Revis/Cro/Skrine/Ghilcrist/Carpenter, and draft picks Williams/Mauldin/Smith/Petty. All all contracts they gave out were reasonable for both sides short and long term and gave the team an out for performances/injuries going forward like Cromartie. Now the jury is still out, but if they maintain this approach as shown by Bowles coaching to have things always done in similiar fashion never going off the deep end, it should continue as we have been seeing. 

2) Jets and Skins both have had good success with the way they drafted with their 1st picks this year, us getting DL Williams and Skins getting OL Shereif(sp?) who has been a big impact/reason why Cousins has played as well and that O scores enough for them to be able to win when they need to.  

Rex and Tanny were reachers. They fell in love with measureables and thought that with his "great coaching" the player would become what they envisioned. Not so with Vlad Ducasse, Kyle Wilson, Stephen Hill, Quentin Coples and several others. Maccagnan does his homework and watches film and makes no 'projections' that backfire. He is a pro where Tanny/Rex were not.

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Was gonna say the same thing. Very happy so far, but I've been happy before. Lol. 

No, it wasn't. Maccagnan shook up the personnel department right away, which was surprising being that isn't how it's generally done. Sure, there were some hold-overs that were moved out later, but he had his own little circle of trust in place. 

Also interesting in that article that they site the Harris resigning as one of Mac's top moves. Probably of the most (if not the most) criticized moves they made around here. Another move that was roundly criticized at the time was the Bilal Powell resigning, which looks pretty genius lately. 

He also came here as a scout.  He already had his list in place of college players that he scouted personally, had intel on from the rest of his meetings in Houston and the info he added in from the holdover Jet scouts.  

Then HE pulled the trigger on picks, not the Jet scouts that were still cashing checks

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I'm still not totally convinced. As Jets fans, we have seen plenty of first year HC success that didn't end well in the long run

I'll say I like what I have seen so far tho. I just hope it end differently than the previous regimes

Neither am I. Bowles I feel has been the shining star at this point.  He has changed the culture of this team.  He is no nonsense, reserved and is still a 'player's coach'. He wasn't hired by Mac whose grade is still pending IMO.  Mac has made some interesting moves that have really panned out however. The Marshall signing was 'risky' but Marshall has been a saint and a total team player.  He has grown up big time.  Signing Fitzy as insurance was a very smart move which has paid huge dividends.  Instantly, I knew he would be our starter. It was just a matter of time before Geno imploded.  Those 2 moves alone warrant a high five.  His first draft was good to what could be spectacular if it pans out. Time will tell. FA signings were somewhat suspect to me. I would not have spent so much on Revis, resigned Harris or Cro.  All have contributed, some more than others.  Hard to screw up FA signings with the gazillions he had at his disposal.    Next draft, FA signings, cuts and  reforming the roster next year will speak more volumes about his ability as a GM. Mac seems to be a guy whose daring and cautious at the same time, an interesting dichotomy.   

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Neither am I. Bowles I feel has been the shining star at this point.  He has changed the culture of this team.  He is no nonsense, reserved and is still a 'player's coach'. He wasn't hired by Mac whose grade is still pending IMO.  Mac has made some interesting moves that have really panned out however. The Marshall signing was 'risky' but Marshall has been a saint and a total team player.  He has grown up big time.  Signing Fitzy as insurance was a very smart move which has paid huge dividends.  Instantly, I knew he would be our starter. It was just a matter of time before Geno imploded.  Those 2 moves alone warrant a high five.  His first draft was good to what could be spectacular if it pans out. Time will tell. FA signings were somewhat suspect to me. I would not have spent so much on Revis, resigned Harris or Cro.  All have contributed, some more than others.  Hard to screw up FA signings with the gazillions he had at his disposal.    Next draft, FA signings, cuts and  reforming the roster next year will speak more volumes about his ability as a GM. Mac seems to be a guy whose daring and cautious at the same time, an interesting dichotomy.   

I disagree about hard to screw up when you have millions: Duh to Miami (who also overpaid for Tannehill); every year a team tries to buy a playoff spot by throwing ridiculous money at a player, Mac didn't do that.

As far as Marshal goes, giving up a 5th (and getting back a 7th) for a guy with his talent wasn't all that risky.  He could have been a cancer, but it was a low cost / high reward play.

A good draft that may turn great is a good job IMO for a first time guy that had to hit the ground running.  He did well in FA (I think he spent too much on Cro but we are free if we want next year).

The only real mistake, if you ask me, wasn't resigning Fitz with a 1 year extension when he came to camp.  It would have been short money to extend what appeared to be a backup QB and we would be sitting with much more leverage now.  Not sure if Fitz would have gone for it coming off of injury, but not sure he would have had much choice in turning down the signing bonus...

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Great stuff! Thanks Kelly

Had no idea that the Bowles hire went down that way, afraid of losing him to Atlanta. I just thought they felt they couldn't wait any longer on Quinn.

I remember reading at the time that during the interview, Bowles said he wanted to bring in Chan as his OC and explained to the Jets why. Talk about thinking out of the box.

That also makes me think trading for Fitz was Chan's idea. Nice job by MacDaddy to get him on the cheap.

What you said here can't be highlighted enough. 

Many said Bowles was somehow forced to take Chan and that isn't the case and it is important because it shows that Bowles had a plan for the whole team and not just the latest fad that might be sweeping the NFL but a real plan as to what he wanted to do.

That IMO is what distinguishes him from the three prior Jets HC hires.  Bowles had a real plan for the offense, what he calls complimentary football.  I really don't know what Herms plan was, or Mangini's or Rex's and his ground and pound Philosophy.  

Also the idea that anyone could have done what Mac has done is down and out silly.... Tanny was a high profile short term thinker, more akin to an excellent checkers player which in truth might have good enough in the past prior to all of these free agent signings and defections.  Now however to be a GM in the NFL you need to be more a chess player, thinking long term/short term chemistry and injuries constantly and that requires another level of sophistication that Tanny didn't fully exhibit IMO.

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And there's the difference.  You wouldn't have signed Revis, Harris or Cro.  And the team would be a whole lot worse without them.  

Hard to screw up FA by spending millions????  Haven't been paying much attention to sports, every sport?  

Yankees, Mets, Knicks, Rangers, Dodgers, Marlins, Mariners, Redskins, the list goes on and on

Hard to screw up FA by spending millions???? I meant he spent too much to get/retain players who invariably made the team better but at the expense of overspending.  I never said I didn't want Revis.  Of course I wanted him back like any Jet fan but not for ALL that  money.  Revis stated he wanted to come back home.  Why couldn't he have given the Jets a home town discount.  Because he's all about the money -  always has been.  Who would have paid him that much. Nobody.  That's sick money for a CB - I don't care who it is.  Harris is overrated and over the hill and he cant cover a pot.  He's good on run D but terrible on passing downs. 15 mill guaranteed for an aging ILB - no thanks.  Cro was done when he was here in his last year.  Who knows for sure who they targeted opposite of Revis, but I wouldn't have resigned him, period.  He can open up a chicken place - Cro's Fried Chicken.        

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Love Bowles, I really do, but the Jets have had an insane streak of first year success with rookie head coaches. There's something different about Bowles, I can't exactly put my finger on it, but I'm still hesitant. I've been sucked into this same movie so many times now, I need to see it for a few years before I'm truly content with anything anymore.

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The only real mistake, if you ask me, wasn't resigning Fitz with a 1 year extension when he came to camp.  It would have been short money to extend what appeared to be a backup QB and we would be sitting with much more leverage now.  Not sure if Fitz would have gone for it coming off of injury, but not sure he would have had much choice in turning down the signing bonus...

Who woulda thunk it.  Pay Fitz. He has earned it and is a great mentor and a late bloomer.   

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Hard to screw up FA by spending millions???? I meant he spent too much to get/retain players who invariably made the team better but at the expense of overspending.  I never said I didn't want Revis.  Of course I wanted him back like any Jet fan but not for ALL that  money.  Revis stated he wanted to come back home.  Why couldn't he have given the Jets a home town discount.  Because he's all about the money -  always has been.  Who would have paid him that much. Nobody.  That's sick money for a CB - I don't care who it is.  Harris is overrated and over the hill and he cant cover a pot.  He's good on run D but terrible on passing downs. 15 mill guaranteed for an aging ILB - no thanks.  Cro was done when he was here in his last year.  Who knows for sure who they targeted opposite of Revis, but I wouldn't have resigned him, period.  He can open up a chicken place - Cro's Fried Chicken.        

he overspent for no one.  You want a Revis you knew what it would cost.  Why should he give us a home discount?  How often does that happen?  And why, we had the cap space.  What's the big deal?  Someone would have paid him.  Cro is a one year deal essentially.  

To you Harris is overrated.  To his teammates, people around the league he's not.  Laugh when I read a LB can't play the pass.  Rare that a LB can.  

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he overspent for no one.  You want a Revis you knew what it would cost.  Why should he give us a home discount?  How often does that happen?  And why, we had the cap space.  What's the big deal?  Someone would have paid him.  Cro is a one year deal essentially.  

To you Harris is overrated.  To his teammates, people around the league he's not.  Laugh when I read a LB can't play the pass.  Rare that a LB can.  

16 mill for a cb, 39 mill guaranteed. That contract is just absurd. He's a great corner - best I've ever seen in his prime but he is getting older, has lost a step and had a serious injury.  That's too much money at his position at this stage of his career.  Just because you have the money doesn't mean you have to spend it.  And to assume someone would have paid him as much as we did is pure conjecture. If he was really loyal and homesick as he played out to be, he would have never left in the first place.   Revis played the Jets Again BUT its a business. Harris is slow as molasses. He's been a loyal Jet and I guess he deserves to be paid but he has no business being on the field on passing downs.  There are plenty of good cover LB's in this league.  Watch closer.         

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Love Bowles, I really do, but the Jets have had an insane streak of first year success with rookie head coaches. There's something different about Bowles, I can't exactly put my finger on it, but I'm still hesitant. I've been sucked into this same movie so many times now, I need to see it for a few years before I'm truly content with anything anymore.

Agreed.  There is something different about Bowles.  It feels like he's actually a competent HC.  Rex had his moments but there was way too much buffoonery.  I did kind of like Mangini but I think we got him too early in his career.  Herm felt like far more of a motivator than a coach.  Bowles feels to me like our best HC since Parcells.

But you're also absolutely right that we have to wait a couple of years.  The Jets do have a streak of good runs w/ 1st year HCs and then things go into the toilet from there.  I feel optimistic things will be different w/ Bowles but I agree that we should reserve judgment.

 

 

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Agreed.  There is something different about Bowles.  It feels like he's actually a competent HC.  Rex had his moments but there was way too much buffoonery.  I did kind of like Mangini but I think we got him too early in his career.  Herm felt like far more of a motivator than a coach.  Bowles feels to me like our best HC since Parcells.

But you're also absolutely right that we have to wait a couple of years.  The Jets do have a streak of good runs w/ 1st year HCs and then things go into the toilet from there.  I feel optimistic things will be different w/ Bowles but I agree that we should reserve judgment.

 

 

Thing is these coaches come into a situation where the Jets are fielding NFL caliber players. In years 2 and 3 talent dwindled due to free agency, retirement or injuries not to mention roster cuts. GM fielded players on the cheap as replacements and its down hill from there. That's why I give cudos to Mac for the team he assembled this season. Will reserve judgment on him as a GM till I see how seasons 2 and 3 turn out. Best of luck Mac hope you are here for along time.

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Todd Bowles may be modest about his skills as a defensive play-caller, but others have taken note.

“No doubt about it, he’s one of the best around,” Jets strong safety Calvin Pryor said of his coach.

Yet Bowles keeps it unpretentious.

“You don’t worry about it and you don’t care about it,” Bowles said yesterday. “If you still have a job and you’re employed, that means you’re doing a decent job. If you get fired quite a bit, I guess you’re not doing a good job.”

Bowles has earned well-deserved plaudits for the job he has done in his first season as a head coach, but he really isn’t appreciated enough for what he has done running the defense. While the coach he’s facing on Sunday, former Jets coach Rex Ryan, has the bigger reputation as a great defensive mind, Bowles’ imaginative and aggressive schemes are every bit as effective as Ryan’s.Actually, they’re even better this season. Ryan’s defense largely has been a flop in Year 1 with the Bills and Bowles presides over one of the league’s top units. While Ryan is hearing criticism from a handful of players, Bowles has earned universal acclaim inside his locker room for quickly turning his team into a mostly dominant defense almost overnight.

“Everybody believes that when he draws something up, it’s going to work,” Pryor said. “He’s just very good at what he’s doing, and he’s definitely putting the right people on the field in different packages to get the job done.”Bowles has had the benefit of an impressive roster makeover on defense, with general manager Mike Maccagnan adding cornerbacks Darrelle Revis, Antonio Cromartie and Buster Skrine, safety Marcus Gilchrist rookie lineman Leonard Williams and rookie linebacker Lorenzo Mauldin. But without the kind of schematic vision Bowles offers, the results might not be as impressive as they’ve turned out to be.“Todd definitely has a great defense, and it’s only going to get better,” Pryor said. “He doesn’t have any ego. It’s all about the guys in this locker room that he cares about. He’s his own man, and people love playing for him.”

Not so much with Ryan in Buffalo these days.

The Jets are sixth in total defense, allowing 320.7 yards per game, and are seventh in points allowed at 19.5 per game. Ryan’s defense, which also has plenty of talent, is allowing 360.1 yards and 22.8 points per game.Those numbers are well behind what he promised when he got the job. In fact, Ryan boasted that he’d have the NFL’s top-ranked unit.Instead, he has a middling group, with players such as defensive end Mario Williams questioning the very essence of his scheme. The biggest complaint is Ryan’s penchant for having linemen who were previously used to rushing the passer dropping into pass coverage instead, part of his complicated blitz packages.

“When I had him here, he’s a good coach,” Cromartie said. “We believed in and trusted in him. But those guys up there, they’ve just got to buy into the system. I think that’s what it really boils down to. Just like guys getting used to coach Todd here and his plan — us buying into the system and making it work for us. That’s what it’s really all about.”But Bowles had his players believing from the start, and the fact the Jets are 10-5 and one win away from making the playoffs has reinforced their confidence in his system.“Todd is very confident in what he calls,” Revis said. “I think his approach is to be very aggressive, and we try to dictate as to how [the opposing offense] is going to play the game. I think it’s just the attention to detail that he really focuses on week to week. We really dial in on what does best.”

It’s the defensive battle of wits between Bowles and Ryan that ultimately might decide the Jets’ fate. Considering Bowles’ season-long body of work since he became Ryan’s successor, it’s advantage Jets in this one.

>   http://www.newsday.com/sports/columnists/bob-glauber/jets-coach-todd-bowles-proving-he-is-a-defensive-genius-1.11282051

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