nj meadowlands Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Nothing lasts forever, as we know. For all the talk about how ancient Peyton Manning is, Tom Brady will be 39 at the start of next season. Sure, he says he's going to play well into his 40's, but I'm sure getting pulverized by the Broncos D-Line gives him pause. So, what will it be like when their dynasty ends? Will the AFC see more than the same 3-4 teams go to the Super Bowl every single year? Will the empty bench look of Foxboro Stadium return to Patsy land? Will this message board be far less populated with Patsy slime? (or will they double down?) I'm giddy at the thought, and hopeful that with the Jets seemingly ascending, it could finally finally finally finally finally be in sight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 * Wh*t Dyn*stY*? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 can't wait until Brady retires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 First off, ***Dynasty***. Either way, HGH will keep Brady around for a while, unfortunately. At least another 3-4 years, me thinks. The good thing is, Big Ben will be around 37 at that point and with his injury history, will probably be set to retire. So basically, the AFC will be Luck and Bortles possibly Carr sprinkled with some Mr. On and Off Flacco who will be 35. Plenty of time for the Jets to find a QB. I laughed out loud as I typed that. Haha Jets find a QB. It's funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 First off, ***Dynasty***. Either way, HGH will keep Brady around for a while, unfortunately. At least another 3-4 years, me thinks. The good thing is, Big Ben will be around 37 at that point and with his injury history, will probably be set to retire. So basically, the AFC will be Luck and Bortles possibly Carr sprinkled with some Mr. On and Off Flacco who will be 35. Plenty of time for the Jets to find a QB. I laughed out loud as I typed that. Haha Jets find a QB. It's funny. idk. its certainly possible. of course all it takes is an achilles injury, acl, mcl, etc etc to sideline him....and the older you get the more likely it is for these things to happen and the less likely you are to heal and recover from any of the stresses that a game like this puts on your body. i give him 2 years tops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 And their "fans" will disappear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 The misconception is that its all brady. Bellichek is the guy who runs the ship. They will replace brady and roll along just fine. They did it for 1 season with an absolute scrub in cassel. I wouldnt be expecting the dynasty to fall anytime soon. Bellichek will coach for another 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 The misconception is that its all brady. Bellichek is the guy who runs the ship. They will replace brady and roll along just fine. They did it for 1 season with an absolute scrub in cassel. I wouldnt be expecting the dynasty to fall anytime soon. Bellichek will coach for another 10 years. What was BB's record before Brady? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Someone asked me the other day, who has been the 2nd best AFC East QB since Brady started... Scary that the answer may be Pennington. Though, my answer was 10-games of Favre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 What was BB's record before Brady? what was his record w/ cassel? Who cares what he did b4 brady. He has become the best coach in nfl history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 what was his record w/ cassel? Who cares what he did b4 brady. He has become the best coach in nfl history. good enough to miss the playoffs a year after going undefeated w/ Brady and against a much weaker schedule. he has become a top coach mainly b/c of Brady, if not for Brady he'd be a DC somewhere today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 good enough to miss the playoffs a year after going undefeated w/ Brady and against a much weaker schedule. he has become a top coach mainly b/c of Brady, if not for Brady he'd be a DC somewhere today. keep telling yourself that if it helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 keep telling yourself that if it helps. I like discussing reality, the facts back me up. BB was already on the hot seat in 2001 before Brady save his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzogtheDefiler Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 NE drafts incredibly well. That is the reason they have been so successful. It is not just Brady but Brady is at least 60% of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 The misconception is that its all brady. Bellichek is the guy who runs the ship. They will replace brady and roll along just fine. They did it for 1 season with an absolute scrub in cassel. I wouldnt be expecting the dynasty to fall anytime soon. Bellichek will coach for another 10 years. The team with Cassel was stacked at every position. Complete aberration. Once Brady hangs up his strap-on, the Pats will be nothing more than an average team at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzogtheDefiler Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 That Defense is good but who knows how it will be post Brady retirement. Being good while great for the team costs them high draft picks annually so they cannot build a base as well as other teams. Granted they were fortunate with Gronk, Collins, Jones and Hightower and somehow stole Butler from somewhere but their receivers are average at best, O Line is putrid and they don't have any playmakers at RB. So while good the team is far from great. Pitt will be good for a while with Brown/Wheaton/Bryant/L .Bell as the focal point of the offense with Roethlisberger. They have a better foundation on O than NE. Same with Carolina with Cam, Olsen, Funchess and a returning Kelvin Benjamin. NE dominance is over. DONE! But Carolina is one elite RB away from being the next dominant force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 good enough to miss the playoffs a year after going undefeated w/ Brady and against a much weaker schedule. he has become a top coach mainly b/c of Brady, if not for Brady he'd be a DC somewhere today. they were 11-5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snell41 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 good enough to miss the playoffs a year after going undefeated w/ Brady and against a much weaker schedule. he has become a top coach mainly b/c of Brady, if not for Brady he'd be a DC somewhere today. I totally disagree with this. Look having Brady obviously matters greatly, but Belichek is one of the few, if not only coach that knows both Defense and Offense at an extremely high level. The guy has made some gutsy gambles that failed (ie giving the ball to the Jets in OT), but for each failed gutsy call he's had a ton that worked that no one hears about. He's one of the greatest schemers on both sides of the ball and generally gets a lot ore out of his player than the talent suggests. The guy is a great coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Well the Bills have Rex, soooo.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 they were 11-5 against creampuff sched when they were 16-0 the year before. and they had a QB that 2 years later would lead KC to a div title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJ37/12 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 NE drafts incredibly well. That is the reason they have been so successful. It is not just Brady but Brady is at least 60% of it. You might want to check on that regarding the "drafting incredibly well" part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 The misconception is that its all brady. Bellichek is the guy who runs the ship. They will replace brady and roll along just fine. They did it for 1 season with an absolute scrub in cassel. I wouldnt be expecting the dynasty to fall anytime soon. Bellichek will coach for another 10 years. It's not ALL Brady, BB has developed into a great HC but never gets that chances w/o Brady saving him. Brady is 70% of the reason they became a dynasty. BB without Brady(7+ seasons): 51-62, 45% Playoff apps: 1 Playoff wins: 1 Playoff record: 1-1 div rd wins: ZERO title game apps: ZERO SB apps: ZERO 1st place finishes: ZERO BB with Brady(14 seasons): 172-51, 77% Playoff apps: 13 Playoff wins: 22 Playoff record: 22-9 div rd wins: 10 title game apps: 10 SB apps: 6 SB wins: 4 1st place finishes: 13 NE was getting worse every year since 1996: 1996: 11 wins 1997: 10 wins 1998: 9 wins 1999: 8 wins 2000: 5 wins 2001: started 0-2 then magically they go 11-3 w/ Brady en route to the SB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Harris Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Can I go sojf here? Historically speaking, chances are an elite new dynastic quarterback will play for one of our AFC East rivals for at least 10 years. See Marino, see Kelly, see Brady, see Peyton Manning- luckily the Colts left the division when they did . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rex-n-effect Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 It's interesting to think that in 2-3 years the dominant passing games in the AFC might all be gone. That has interesting implications for the conference not just for the AFCE. If NE keeps putting together an OL like they have been and keep failing to draft halfway decent QBs then their time in the spotlight may come to an end much quicker. The risk isn't just that a bad hit puts Brady down but that Brady loses his focus when he takes a beating and starts underperforming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 what was his record w/ cassel? Who cares what he did b4 brady. He has become the best coach in nfl history. Todd Haley won 10 games with Cassell too. With a much less potent offense. Brady made BB. BB will retire when Brady does because he knows this as fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Nothing lasts forever, as we know. For all the talk about how ancient Peyton Manning is, Tom Brady will be 39 at the start of next season. Sure, he says he's going to play well into his 40's, but I'm sure getting pulverized by the Broncos D-Line gives him pause. So, what will it be like when their dynasty ends? Will the AFC see more than the same 3-4 teams go to the Super Bowl every single year? Will the empty bench look of Foxboro Stadium return to Patsy land? Will this message board be far less populated with Patsy slime? (or will they double down?) I'm giddy at the thought, and hopeful that with the Jets seemingly ascending, it could finally finally finally finally finally be in sight. While he probably does not want to get 'pulverized' again, he is not going to earn 8+ million a year after he retires. He will ride it along as he can. It will be the same 3-4 teams every year. That is the nature of the game. Outside of Brady, who is set-up at QB? Ravens, Colts, Steelers and Bengals are set. The Jags, Raiders and to a lesser extent Bills and Titans are trending in the right direction, but can you say they will knock one of the top 4 out? No. Don't worry, I will be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 While he probably does not want to get 'pulverized' again, he is not going to earn 8+ million a year after he retires. He will ride it along as he can. It will be the same 3-4 teams every year. That is the nature of the game. Outside of Brady, who is set-up at QB? Ravens, Colts, Steelers and Bengals are set. The Jags, Raiders and to a lesser extent Bills and Titans are trending in the right direction, but can you say they will knock one of the top 4 out? No. Don't worry, I will be here. i'd say the packers are pretty set at qb with aaron rodgers and the panthers are looking pretty good with cam newton. the seahawks with wilson are in a good place too who else? the chargers have rivers, the giants with eli, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 i'd say the packers are pretty set at qb with aaron rodgers and the panthers are looking pretty good with cam newton. the seahawks with wilson are in a good place too who else? the chargers have rivers, the giants with eli, I did not even think about the NFC, but you are right. I would add on the next tier down, Winston, Ryan and Stafford. Anyone over 30 I did not include...even though they could go for another decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 I did not even think about the NFC, but you are right. I would add on the next tier down, Winston, Ryan and Stafford. Anyone over 30 I did not include...even though they could go for another decade. ?? but you are includng the patriots as being "set up at qb" when brady is 39?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 ?? but you are includng the patriots as being "set up at qb" when brady is 39?? No. He will play as long as he plays. Short of a major injury, like with Peyton, he is not regressing yet. How long that lasts is another matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 No. He will play as long as he plays. Short of a major injury, like with Peyton, he is not regressing yet. How long that lasts is another matter. how long does he really have? there haven't been many quarterbacks who did anything good at 40 years old. look at the list of the top 5.... http://bleacherreport.com/articles/440084-favre-from-young-the-top-five-40-year-old-qbs-in-nfl-history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 how long does he really have? there haven't been many quarterbacks who did anything good at 40 years old. look at the list of the top 5.... http://bleacherreport.com/articles/440084-favre-from-young-the-top-five-40-year-old-qbs-in-nfl-history Brady can stick around a while. His game is based almost entirely on short high percentage passes and lobbing it downfield to Gronkowski. He won't be playing the Denver D each week, he can pretty much stay upright and throw slants to WRs and flares to RBs for a few more years at least. If Gronk gets hurt again though, I think you'll see a complete absence of anything downfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Brady can stick around a while. His game is based almost entirely on short high percentage passes and lobbing it downfield to Gronkowski. He won't be playing the Denver D each week, he can pretty much stay upright and throw slants to WRs and flares to RBs for a few more years at least. If Gronk gets hurt again though, I think you'll see a complete absence of anything downfield. i give him 1-2 years more maximum. anything past that and he will be embarrassing himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 The misconception is that its all brady. Bellichek is the guy who runs the ship. They will replace brady and roll along just fine. They did it for 1 season with an absolute scrub in cassel. I wouldnt be expecting the dynasty to fall anytime soon. Bellichek will coach for another 10 years. NO WAY. They will revert back to the mean. A good QB is all the difference. I agree that BB would have been a better coach for the JETS than herm, REX, et al BUT he has benefited from Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzogtheDefiler Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 You might want to check on that regarding the "drafting incredibly well" part Gronk, Collins, Jones, Butler, Edelman, Solder, Vollmer, Gostokowski, Slater, McCourty, Chung, Ryan, Stork, Ridley, Vereen and Hightower. Note that they draft late in just about every draft. Other than Gronk they have been poor at drafting skilled position players aka playmakers but in terms of other positions they have been strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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