Good Teams Don't Allow Stud young Players to Reach FA (Harrison/ Wilkerson)

[Shockwave]

1. Go look at our Salary Cap Situation: You'll see a Bunch of 32-33 Year Old's taking up a TON of our Salary Cap. Smart GM's Don't allow Young guys to walk because of this. 

2. How Much did we spend in Free Agency Last year? Over 100 Million? Good Teams don't spend money on Free Agents while allowing there young home grown talent to get away. 

3. The Salary Cap has gone up DRAMATICALLY. No team is in Cap Hell.  Outside of Suh because of his ridiculous demands NO TEAM has or will lose a  25 yr old thats the top player at his position. 

4. The Top NT in the game is NOT something we can replace. These guys are early picks every year ( Danny Shelton, Dontari Poe). Snacks is ideal Height, Size, and could be our Ted Washington for the next 5 years. Being Able to sign him to the same kind of contract as Marcus Gilchrist is an absolute Steal. The NFL is all about Packages of players these days. New England Literally didn't even attempt to run on us. Theres no bigger compliment then that. Once we have some speedy LB's this could be the most dominant defense in the NFL. And NO we are not close to that right now. New England has been looking for good NT for years. They will immediately sign Harrison for a measly 6m a year. 

5. Sheldon Richardson will be suspended again after pleading guilty. What happens when he smokes again? Another domestic incident? They suspend him 8 games? A year?. He absolutely can not be counted on.  Josh Gordon had 1 drink after the season was over and was suspended an entire year.  

 

The Jets are are one of the only teams that doesn't proactively sign its own young talent early. With 50 Million of Cap Room last year you need to sign your homegrown Talent FIRST. You can not let the best young NT in the league get to FA. You can not let a top young Dlineman get away. If they Do its an absolute failure for our new Front office and GM. 

We have so many ways to save cap room including: Restructuring some(Not all) of Revis Contract to 2017/2018), Trading Milliner, Cutting Cro, Restructuring Brick/Mangold etc. 

When its all said and done with the cap being 153 Million we should easily have 30-40 million in cap space this year. Go Look at our cap situation for 2017 and 2018. We are going to lead the league in cap room once Brick/Mangold's contracts are handled. We are going to have over 50million in room in 2017. In 2018 we may have 80m in room. These players should have never been allowed to get this close to Free Agency. 

If we lose either guy - Its a huge red flag on our Front Office. No Good GM lets young studs leave. I don't understand why so many here are okay with losing these type of guys. You want to trade for a draft pick? Vernon Gholston and Dee Milliner were both top 10 picks. Thats not the answer.  Lets Hope Mac continues to be a stud and get this done. BOTH guys need to be here long term. 

 

 

 

 

[Tinstar]

1. Go look at our Salary Cap Situation: You'll see a Bunch of 32-33 Year Old's taking up a TON of our Salary Cap. Smart GM's Don't allow Young guys to walk because of this. 

2. How Much did we spend in Free Agency Last year? Over 100 Million? Good Teams don't spend money on Free Agents while allowing there young home grown talent to get away. 

3. The Salary Cap has gone up DRAMATICALLY. No team is in Cap Hell.  Outside of Suh because of his ridiculous demands NO TEAM has or will lose a  25 yr old thats the top player at his position. 

4. The Top NT in the game is NOT something we can replace. These guys are early picks every year ( Danny Shelton, Dontari Poe). Snacks is ideal Height, Size, and could be our Ted Washington for the next 5 years. Being Able to sign him to the same kind of contract as Marcus Gilchrist is an absolute Steal. The NFL is all about Packages of players these days. New England Literally didn't even attempt to run on us. Theres no bigger compliment then that. Once we have some speedy LB's this could be the most dominant defense in the NFL. And NO we are not close to that right now. New England has been looking for good NT for years. They will immediately sign Harrison for a measly 6m a year. 

5. Sheldon Richardson will be suspended again after pleading guilty. What happens when he smokes again? Another domestic incident? They suspend him 8 games? A year?. He absolutely can not be counted on.  Josh Gordon had 1 drink after the season was over and was suspended an entire year.  

 

The Jets are are one of the only teams that doesn't proactively sign its own young talent early. With 50 Million of Cap Room last year you need to sign your homegrown Talent FIRST. You can not let the best young NT in the league get to FA. You can not let a top young Dlineman get away. If they Do its an absolute failure for our new Front office and GM. 

We have so many ways to save cap room including: Restructuring some(Not all) of Revis Contract to 2017/2018), Trading Milliner, Cutting Cro, Restructuring Brick/Mangold etc. 

When its all said and done with the cap being 153 Million we should easily have 30-40 million in cap space this year. Go Look at our cap situation for 2017 and 2018. We are going to lead the league in cap room once Brick/Mangold's contracts are handled. We are going to have over 50million in room in 2017. In 2018 we may have 80m in room. These players should have never been allowed to get this close to Free Agency. 

If we lose either guy - Its a huge red flag on our Front Office. No Good GM lets young studs leave. I don't understand why so many here are okay with losing these type of guys. You want to trade for a draft pick? Vernon Gholston and Dee Milliner were both top 10 picks. Thats not the answer.  Lets Hope Mac continues to be a stud and get this done. BOTH guys need to be here long term. 

 

 

 

 

Smart Teams don't allow player agents to hold them hostage against the salary cap either.  You have to remember that some of these players like Snacks were UDFA and this is their chance to see how the league values them after showing what they can do against those how were previously highly valued.

 

[neckdemon]

Good teams don't pay a defensive end a huge contract when they have 2 other very good defensive ends on the team

[UnitedWhofans]

1. Go look at our Salary Cap Situation: You'll see a Bunch of 32-33 Year Old's taking up a TON of our Salary Cap. Smart GM's Don't allow Young guys to walk because of this. 

2. How Much did we spend in Free Agency Last year? Over 100 Million? Good Teams don't spend money on Free Agents while allowing there young home grown talent to get away. 

3. The Salary Cap has gone up DRAMATICALLY. No team is in Cap Hell.  Outside of Suh because of his ridiculous demands NO TEAM has or will lose a  25 yr old thats the top player at his position. 

4. The Top NT in the game is NOT something we can replace. These guys are early picks every year ( Danny Shelton, Dontari Poe). Snacks is ideal Height, Size, and could be our Ted Washington for the next 5 years. Being Able to sign him to the same kind of contract as Marcus Gilchrist is an absolute Steal. The NFL is all about Packages of players these days. New England Literally didn't even attempt to run on us. Theres no bigger compliment then that. Once we have some speedy LB's this could be the most dominant defense in the NFL. And NO we are not close to that right now. New England has been looking for good NT for years. They will immediately sign Harrison for a measly 6m a year. 

5. Sheldon Richardson will be suspended again after pleading guilty. What happens when he smokes again? Another domestic incident? They suspend him 8 games? A year?. He absolutely can not be counted on.  Josh Gordon had 1 drink after the season was over and was suspended an entire year.  

 

The Jets are are one of the only teams that doesn't proactively sign its own young talent early. With 50 Million of Cap Room last year you need to sign your homegrown Talent FIRST. You can not let the best young NT in the league get to FA. You can not let a top young Dlineman get away. If they Do its an absolute failure for our new Front office and GM. 

We have so many ways to save cap room including: Restructuring some(Not all) of Revis Contract to 2017/2018), Trading Milliner, Cutting Cro, Restructuring Brick/Mangold etc. 

When its all said and done with the cap being 153 Million we should easily have 30-40 million in cap space this year. Go Look at our cap situation for 2017 and 2018. We are going to lead the league in cap room once Brick/Mangold's contracts are handled. We are going to have over 50million in room in 2017. In 2018 we may have 80m in room. These players should have never been allowed to get this close to Free Agency. 

If we lose either guy - Its a huge red flag on our Front Office. No Good GM lets young studs leave. I don't understand why so many here are okay with losing these type of guys. You want to trade for a draft pick? Vernon Gholston and Dee Milliner were both top 10 picks. Thats not the answer.  Lets Hope Mac continues to be a stud and get this done. BOTH guys need to be here long term. 

 

 

 

 

The good GMs get help from their players accepting less salary so that they can keep their players

[32EBoozer]

The good GMs get help from their players accepting less salary so that they can keep their players

The cheating GM's help their star players take less by funneling money to them through various "Business Partners": who have been given preferential business dealings with the football team

[UnitedWhofans]

The cheating GM's help their star players take less by funneling money to them through various "Business Partners": who have been given preferential business dealings with the football team

Is this illegal by the book though?

[32EBoozer]

Is this illegal by the book though?

Yes, it is. But Kraft and the other members of his crime family flip the league and it's other owners the "finger"

[Shockwave]

 

Smart Teams don't allow player agents to hold them hostage against the salary cap either.  You have to remember that some of these players like Snacks were UDFA and this is their chance to see how the league values them after showing what they can do against those how were previously highly valued.

 

Name the "Smart teams your mentioning". 

Smart teams like the Patriots lock up their UDFA like Danny Woodhead, or Dion Lewis extremely early. They never let it get to this point. Letting the Best young NT in the game get to Free Agency is never "Smart". The Pats nor any good team would never let it happen. 

[Shockwave]

Good teams don't pay a defensive end a huge contract when they have 2 other very good defensive ends on the team

Who Sheldon?

Sheldon is one blunt away from a year suspension. I hope your not talking about him. Smart teams don't rely on pot heads/guys with police records. 

[Shockwave]

The good GMs get help from their players accepting less salary so that they can keep their players

NO. 

Good GM's sign their players early. They don't wait until their a few months away from FA. When you sign a player early the player is more likely to accept less cash. No ones giving discounts the night before FA. 

You know JJ watt. Drafted 20 picks or so before Mo Wilkerson. He was extended two years ago. 

Other guys with extensions already included Mark Ingram, Nate Solder, Robert Quinn, Julio Jones, Patrick Peterson, Cameron Heyward , Tyron Smith, Cam Newton and AJ Green. Just about everyone handled their business except us. 

[RutgersJetFan]

The Jets are are one of the only teams that doesn't proactively sign its own young talent early.

That's because we haven't had any. 

[Tinstar]

Name the "Smart teams your mentioning". 

Smart teams like the Patriots lock up their UDFA like Danny Woodhead, or Dion Lewis extremely early. They never let it get to this point. Letting the Best young NT in the game get to Free Agency is never "Smart". The Pats nor any good team would never let it happen. 

If that team you keep mentioning is so smart, why do they have to resort to bending the rules  in order to win . 

[joewilly12]

If that team you keep mentioning is so smart, why do they have to resort to bending the rules  in order to win . 

Talk is cheap id take a Lombardi Trophy here if it came with others talking about us cheating,who cares. 

[neckdemon]

Who Sheldon?

Sheldon is one blunt away from a year suspension. I hope your not talking about him. Smart teams don't rely on pot heads/guys with police records. 

wilkerson is a luxury this team cant afford. might as well learn to live with it......

[Shockwave]

That's because we haven't had any. 

Although I agree with you to a point it makes it 10x worse when your team can't develop talent- and when it does they can't retain them.

 

Jets trade Darrelle Revis to Bucs

Apr 22, 2013

• Adam Schefter
• Rich Cimini

The New York Jets have traded star cornerback Darrelle Revis to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for the 13th overall pick in Thursday night's draft and a conditional selection next year.

 

'Skins Acquire Receiver Laveranues Coles 

Redskins Acquire Receiver Laveranues Coles After Jets Decline to Match Offer

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Posted: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 12:00 am

By JOSEPH WHITE | 0 comments

AP Sports Writer

The New York Jets say the Washington Redskins overpaid for Laveranues Coles. The Redskins say they were just doing good business.

 

The Jets reluctantly let their top receiver go Wednesday, declining to match the Redskins' seven-year, $35 million offer _ including a $13 million bonus _ for a restricted free agent coming off a breakout season.

"It is extremely rare for a team to pay more than a player asks," Jets general manager Terry Bradway said. "In this case, it did happen. We did not expect that to happen."

 

 

 

 

Falcons send pick to Denver to get Abraham from Jets

Mar 23, 2006

• Len Pasquarelli

Abraham, a three-time Pro Bowler, officially joined the Falcons
on Wednesday after the Jets officially signed off on the deal.

One of the NFL's premier outside rushers, Abraham was designated by the Jets as a franchise player for the second consecutive spring. That meant the Jets essentially made him a one-year qualifying offer of $8.33 million. New York used the franchise tag a year ago, as well, to retain Abraham, and he missed the offseason programs and training camp before signing the one-year deal, worth $6.66 million just days before the start of the season.

[Xtina]

wilkerson is a luxury this team cant afford. might as well learn to live with it......

Why not? Can some other team afford this luxury more easily? If so, why? Let's hope last year was a one year wonder with dumping the whole salary cap into the secondary. This unit underperformed severely relative to the resources spent on it. Let's hope next season is not a repeat, I agree with OP we should pay home grown talent. Technically Revis is, but he is on the decline and overpaid. 

[Shockwave]

wilkerson is a luxury this team cant afford. might as well learn to live with it......

We are going to have 30m in cap room this year.  We are going to have 40m in cap room next year. As of now were going to have like 100m in 2018. 

We have the money. I don't understand why people don't get this. 

 

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/new-york-jets/

 

[Savage69]

We are going to have 30m in cap room this year.  We are going to have 40m in cap room next year. As of now were going to have like 100m in 2018. 

We have the money. I don't understand why people don't get this. 

 

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/new-york-jets/

 

What you don't get if Mo was a easy guy to sign he would be or Mac isn't in your league as a GM.. It's one or the other and we are stacked with D Linemen so I'm going with Mac knows what he's doing.. 

[shuler82]

We are going to have 30m in cap room this year.  We are going to have 40m in cap room next year. As of now were going to have like 100m in 2018. 

We have the money. I don't understand why people don't get this. 

 

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/new-york-jets/

 

And if you sign both Mo and Snacks you're left with about 10-12 to try and resign Fitz (who will be 6-8M himself), add a few RBs, address our OLBs and TE situation (and OG if you want an upgrade from Winters/Harrison) .. Not to mention needing enough left over to sign our draft picks.

It's year two for a new GM/coach. They're going to want the flexibility to rebuild the roster. Trading Wilk frees up $12-15M for 2016 and will bring back multiple picks. I think this is the direction they go.

[Beerfish]

Just a point, you can't use Wilkerson production this year to suggest the jets should have for sure locked him up last year.  The jets have handled Wilkerson perfectly imo, we still have options.  Harrison i would have tried harder to extend last year so that is a valid complaint imo.

[32EBoozer]

Talk is cheap id take a Lombardi Trophy here if it came with others talking about us cheating,who cares. 

You wouldn't if it was discovered and proven the Jets had actually cheated to win those trophies.

You win the right way like Pitt, Miami, Dallas, 49ers. You don't film the defensive/offensive signals of the other team and video their practices before the SB

Those would be hollow victories and the type of team I would not be raising my kids to root for.

[Charlie Brown]

 

Although I agree with you to a point it makes it 10x worse when your team can't develop talent- and when it does they can't retain them.

 

Jets trade Darrelle Revis to Bucs

Apr 22, 2013

• Adam Schefter
• Rich Cimini

The New York Jets have traded star cornerback Darrelle Revis to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for the 13th overall pick in Thursday night's draft and a conditional selection next year.

 

'Skins Acquire Receiver Laveranues Coles 

Redskins Acquire Receiver Laveranues Coles After Jets Decline to Match Offer

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Posted: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 12:00 am

By JOSEPH WHITE | 0 comments

AP Sports Writer

The New York Jets say the Washington Redskins overpaid for Laveranues Coles. The Redskins say they were just doing good business.

 

The Jets reluctantly let their top receiver go Wednesday, declining to match the Redskins' seven-year, $35 million offer _ including a $13 million bonus _ for a restricted free agent coming off a breakout season.

"It is extremely rare for a team to pay more than a player asks," Jets general manager Terry Bradway said. "In this case, it did happen. We did not expect that to happen."

 

 

 

 

This is called Jet GM Magic !!

That is often finding magical ways to let your best players walk.  

[Shockwave]

Just a point, you can't use Wilkerson production this year to suggest the jets should have for sure locked him up last year.  The jets have handled Wilkerson perfectly imo, we still have options.  Harrison i would have tried harder to extend last year so that is a valid complaint imo.

With due respect....If your goal is to lose your young players - Yes we have handled it perfectly. 

Theres been articles, post, and media outlets screaming to resign Mo for years. So this isn't some new concept. Letting your studs get this close to FA is a terrible idea. 

Of his Draft class there has been a ton of extensions handed out already.( Nate Solder, Robert Quinn, Julio Jones, Patrick Peterson, Cameron Heyward , Tyron Smith, Cam Newton and AJ Green). 

 

[Shockwave]

What you don't get if Mo was a easy guy to sign he would be or Mac isn't in your league as a GM.. It's one or the other and we are stacked with D Linemen so I'm going with Mac knows what he's doing.. 

Every Time this happens the Homers say ........." I trust in Bradway". " I trust in Tannebaum". When Snacks is playing in New England next year for less money then we signed Gilchrist will you say " I trust in Belichick"?  

We have a rookie GM. Giving JAG's Buster Skrine 8m yearly, Cro 8m,  and Gilchrist 6m yearly while losing the number 1 NT in Football, and a Stud get away would be a gigantic blunder. 

[Shockwave]

And if you sign both Mo and Snacks you're left with about 10-12 to try and resign Fitz (who will be 6-8M himself), add a few RBs, address our OLBs and TE situation (and OG if you want an upgrade from Winters/Harrison) .. Not to mention needing enough left over to sign our draft picks.

It's year two for a new GM/coach. They're going to want the flexibility to rebuild the roster. Trading Wilk frees up $12-15M for 2016 and will bring back multiple picks. I think this is the direction they go.

As mentioned earlier: Were going to have atlas 30-35m in cap room this year. Were going to have 40m in cap room next year. As of now we have 100m in cap room in 2018. We have the money. 

Looking at this as we would be losing anyone is a very simplistic approach(no offense). Money can be maneuvered easily with the cap. 

[JohnnyLV]

Signing Snacks should be a priority. Signing Wilkerson for an elite contract is idiotic. 

[SenorGato]

Good teams don't put a premium on run defense over pass defense in the 21st century. Harrison is a luxury the Jets and their defense can afford to move on from. The Jets have found cheap, late round and UDFA NTs before, Harrison himself was one, and both Pouha and Jason Ferguson before that. This is not a position good teams spend tons of money on. 

Keep the best player on the DL and on the team right now in Wilkerson. Good and great teams do not lose a player like this in his prime. 

[Larz]

I agree with the basic idea, and also will say the good teams tend to let the good players go after the 2nd contract (QB excluded as well as a few other positions)

that said harrison is a 2 down player and if he wants top dollar good bye

it would be so jets to let mo go because they are paying revis like a QB and harris like an all-pro

[Shockwave]

Good teams don't put a premium on run defense over pass defense in the 21st century. Harrison is a luxury the Jets and their defense can afford to move on from. The Jets have found cheap, late round and UDFA NTs before, Harrison himself was one, and both Pouha and Jason Ferguson before that. This is not a position good teams spend tons of money on. 

Keep the best player on the DL and on the team right now in Wilkerson. Good and great teams do not lose a player like this in his prime. 

The Current Dynasty and best team over the last decade did so with the Help of Ted Washington,Vince Wilfork and Richard Seymour. The latter two were high draft picks and received large contracts. There last two first round picks were again on the Dline. 

Snacks is the best NT in the league. He's young and will cost less then Marcus Gilchrist and a ton of other scrubs. For 6m-6.5m a year we make teams one dimensional.  That is not replaceable.  We have the money to sign both - No reason we can't have both Snacks/Wilkerson. 

[Savage69]

Every Time this happens the Homers say ........." I trust in Bradway". " I trust in Tannebaum". When Snacks is playing in New England next year for less money then we signed Gilchrist will you say " I trust in Belichick"?  

We have a rookie GM. Giving JAG's Buster Skrine 8m yearly, Cro 8m,  and Gilchrist 6m yearly while losing the number 1 NT in Football, and a Stud get away would be a gigantic blunder. 

I'm all for signing Snacks my question has always been if Mo is as great as people think why with 50 million to spend wasn't he signed by either Idzik or Mac?? And if they were going to sign him why bother to draft Williams??

[DoubleDecker]

Every time I here my fellow jets fans complain about this issue I have to keep reminding them that this has less to do about the said players ability vs cost and more about the vomit inducing drafts we've had for the past 5 years.  This is the direct result of producing almost nothing in return from our previous years drafts that would net us good-great talent on reasonable rookie contracts.  Instead we have to spend $100 million just to field a 10 win team and STILL haven't locked up 2 of our best players.  It's sickening and I hate it as a fan, but that's why we hired Mac.  Again can't stress how essential the draft is although I'm sure we all know.  While it's nearly impossible to hit on every pick, having almost 80% of your draft not worth resigning is testament to how inept our previous front office personnel truly were.  Unfortunately it seems Mo and company are gonna be (hopefully) our last lesson on this. Man I hope we keep Mo and Snacks at least..... Thanks again and GFYs Trader Mike and Idzick!?

[Shockwave]

I'm all for signing Snacks my question has always been if Mo is as great as people think why with 50 million to spend wasn't he signed by either Idzik or Mac?? And if they were going to sign him why bother to draft Williams??

Fair question ofcourse. 

People are speculating that Wilkerson wants 16m a year. People are also speculating that Snacks wants 10m a year. I think its bullsh*t in both cases as both are much higher then each players market. 

It is also fair to acknowledge that Sheldon was about to be suspended once or twice before the draft and even Mac said it was a case of drafting the best available player. As you know Williams was never supposed to be there and there really wasn't a second option there. 

Ill describe the Markets below. 

 

[UnitedWhofans]

Good teams dont have players in their prime retire suddenly

[DoubleDecker]

Good teams dont have players in their prime retire suddenly

Reference to the 49ers??  His name escapes but didn't that LB from the Steelers also retire in his prime and I think the steelers have been a great team.

[UnitedWhofans]

Reference to the 49ers??  His name escapes but didn't that LB from the Steelers also retire in his prime and I think the steelers have been a great team.

News just broke. Megatron retiring