Gas2No99 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Darrelle Revis - DB - Jets ESPN New York's Rich Cimini believes Darrelle Revis would be "amenable" to re-structuring his contract. In this scenario, Revis wouldn't be taking a pay cut. Instead, the Jets would convert part of his base salary into a signing bonus. That would alleviate some of the team's cap concerns for 2016. Cimini said the maneuver would give the Jets "fast cash, but the credit-card bill wouldn't be pretty." The Jets could also save money by dumping Antonio Cromartie or asking D'Brickashaw Ferguson to take a pay cut. Source: ESPN New York Jan 31 - 11:13 AM & Re-working Revis' deal could solve Jets' cap woes, but it's risky The Jets could reduce Darrelle Revis' $17 million cap number, but it could hinder them down the road. AP Photos/David Drapkin Jan 30, 2016 Rich CiminiESPN Staff Writer Email print comment `Thoughts, observations and notes on the New York Jets: 1. Money man: When a team wants to restructure a contract to create salary-cap room, the top candidate usually is the player with the biggest cap charge. For instance: Miami Dolphins vice president Mike Tannenbaum mentioned last week he might restructure Ndamukong Suh ($28.6 million cap number). For the Jets, the top man on the totem pole is Darrelle Revis ($17 million), who, like Suh, signed a mega free-agent deal last offseason I believe Revis is amenable to re-working his contract, which has four years and $54 million remaining (including $23 million fully guaranteed). There's no downside for Revis -- he gets his money, no matter what -- but it would be a double-edged sword for the Jets. They could save a ton of cap room in 2016, allowing them to re-sign their key free agents and be active in the free-agent market. They'd be all-in for '16. The negative is they'd be pushing money into the back end of his deal. Let's say they converted $16 million of his $17 million base salary into a signing bonus. Revis' 2016 cap charge would be lowered to $5 million, saving $12 million. That's big. The downside is the bonus would be pro-rated over the final four years, increasing his cap charge by $4 million in each year. His number in 2017 would balloon to $19.3 million. It might not be the smartest strategy, considering his age (31 next season). Right now, they have the ability to walk away in 2018 without a cap hit. That changes if they restructure. The Jets can explore other avenues before approaching Revis, money-saving methods with no strings attached. They can save $8 million by releasing Antonio Cromartie, and they probably will ask D'Brickashaw Ferguson ($14.1 million) to take a pay cut. The biggest money saver would be a tag-and-trade with Muhammad Wilkerson, but you'd also be giving up your top defensive player. The Revis scenario is intriguing, though. They'd get fast cash, but the credit-card bill wouldn't be pretty. A lot of us can relate to that. OTHER JETS TIDBITS: 2. Future Jets? There's a pretty good chance at least a couple of players from Saturday's Senior Bowl will wind up in a Jets uniform. General manager Mike Maccagnan likes drafting Senior Bowl alums, as we learned from last year's draft. Three of the the Jets' six picks played in the game -- wide receiver Devin Smith, linebacker Lorenzo Mauldin and quarterback Bryce Petty. Undrafted linebacker Deion Barnes, who is still on the Jets' roster, also played. This doesn't mean Maccagnan is wary of drafting underclassmen. See: First-round pick Leonard Williams, a 20-year-old junior when he was selected. 3. Bullish on a Bison: There was a lot of buzz in Mobile, Ala., about North Dakota State quarterback Carson Wentz, and you can bet there will be a lot of Jets-Wentz speculation over the next three months. But don't get your hopes up, Jets fans. Unless he gets arrested or starts throwing like Tim Tebow, there's no chance he will fall to the Jets with the 20th pick 4. Broadway Carson: You have to like the kid's moxie. In an interview with the Jets' official web site, Wentz said, "I'm a competitive son of a gun. If I'm not winning or not the best at something, I'm going to work my tail off to be the best. As a team looks for a franchise quarterback, they need a winner. Everyone wants a winner, and I think you're getting that with me." Wentz led the Bisons to a 20-3 record and back-to-back FCS titles. 5. Red-hot Pepper: The Pro Football Focus web site named its coordinators and position coaches of the year, and the only coach on Todd Bowles' staff to get recognized was Pepper Johnson -- and deservedly so. He did a terrific job with the defensive line. Muhammad Wilkerson and Damon Harrison enjoyed career years, and Williams -- a Day 1 starter because of Sheldon Richardson's suspension -- was one of the top rookies in the league. 6. Special job awaits: Three weeks after firing Bobby April, who has since been hired by the Tennessee Titans, Bowles still hasn't named a new special teams coordinator. Look for that to happen this week. That he waited this long suggests he will hire someone from the college ranks. National signing day is Wednesday, when recruiting ends. The new coach will be the Jets' fifth special teams coach in five years. Welcome to the revolving door, whoever you are. 7. Finding happiness in Denver: Only two players remain from the Jets' 2012 draft, and it could be down to zero by the time next season begins, as both Demario Davis and Antonio Allen are pending free agents. Two players from that eight-man class are on Super Bowl teams -- Stephen Hill (Carolina Panthers, injured reserve) and Josh Bush (Denver Broncos). Bush, a valuable backup safety, was released by the Jets in October, 2014. He harbors no bitterness, and he credits a lot of his success to Rex Ryan, the Jets' former coach. "I learned so much in Rex Ryan's scheme, just the different ways of blitzing and having different coverages and different packages," he told me. "I learned how to study and pick up different offenses, and that carries over throughout your career." 8. Postcard from Hawaii: Running back Chris Ivory and center Nick Mangold are the only two Jets in Sunday night's Pro Bowl, which is kind of amazing when you consider a record 133 players received invites. The format is flawed, and the league needs to take a hard look at the entire Pro Bowl concept. But here's a prediction: Ivory will have a big game. Defenders don't like to tackle him when the games matter, so imagine how hesitant they'll be when playing at three-quarters speed in a meaningless game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Revis one of my all time favorite NY Jets doing what good players do help to their team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 It sounds like this is something they can work with considering Revis is still a high level player,probably should be for 2-3 more years, and the cap should be going up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 I.dont think MacCagnan will mortgage the future. He'll find money in a smarter way, not the scorched earth, screw the future Bill Parcells method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleDecker Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 I'm sure Revis won't do this but if your Mac, I don't think this is wise. Trim the fat like cro and he should be able to free up some space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 the title is stupid. did you recently buy a thesaurus and now you are feeling a bit paramount Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 A+ for the quotation marks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 What does "amenable" mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 I'm sure Revis won't do this but if your Mac, I don't think this is wise. Trim the fat like cro and he should be able to free up some space. Trimming the fat is probably a given. Restructuring Revis requires the Jets to take on some risk, but no more the risk than signing an elite FA this offseason really. I'd rather it be him than one of the OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snell41 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 I'm not so sure a restructure would be an efficacious move on the part of management. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Cimini thinks Revis might be open to it, but Revis is quoted, his agent isn't quoted, and no one of value is quoted. This is a poor excuse of a journalist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Jets fan Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Ahh. No. If Revis slips he can be cut after 2017 with no money left in the books and if he still playing well it's pay as you go. No way do you mess that up. Plenty of cap space will show up with cro cut, brick redone and mo traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Ahh. No. If Revis slips he can be cut after 2017 with no money left in the books and if he still playing well it's pay as you go. No way do you mess that up. Plenty of cap space will show up with cro cut, brick redone and mo traded. What if the goal is to put a good team on the field rather than put a cheap and bad roster on the field? There couldn't be less appeal to this kind of offseason if the goal is to be good over cutting payroll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Jets fan Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 What if the goal is to put a good team on the field rather than put a cheap and bad roster on the field? There couldn't be less appeal to this kind of offseason if the goal is to be good over cutting payroll. they can only resign one and I would rather have snacks and the picks they can get with trading Mo then just Mo. Also cutting Cro makes the team better as he can be replaced and the $ saved can be used to sign a player that can help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 they can only resign one and I would rather have snacks and the picks they can get with trading Mo then just Mo. Also cutting Cro makes the team better as he can be replaced and the $ saved can be used to sign a player that can help. Extending D'Brick for another year and trading the best player on the team does a lot to ruin making the most obvious cut. Here I'll ask: Why is locking Revis up through 2017 or 2018 less appealing than D'Brick for yet another year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Jets fan Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Extending D'Brick for another year and trading the best player on the team does a lot to ruin making the most obvious cut to make. no one said extend anyone. Pay cut is what Brick will be taking. We we will disagree on Mo, I think the Jets are a better team with Sheldon Snacks Williams on the D line with an additional 1st and 3rd round picks. Then have the money for a new Rt and the OLB we all know this team needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Do not mortgage the future, PLEASE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 no one said extend anyone. Pay cut is what Brick will be taking. We we will disagree on Mo, I think the Jets are a better team with Sheldon Snacks Williams on the D line with an additional 1st and 3rd round picks. Then have the money for a new Rt and the OLB we all know this team needs. A couple problems with what you're saying: - By restructuring D'Brick you essentially extend D'Brick. He still gets his money, he just gets it at a different time. They can save almost $10 million in cap space by cutting him now, and a little over $10 million by cutting him after June 1st. - The problem with your thought is that the Jets D isn't better with Harrison on the roster over Wilkerson. Teams and units don't usually get better when they lose their best player in his prime. - To go out of the way to push your two best players off the roster this year and then next (Wilkerson and Revis) - all for a couple of picks that you hope turn into a RT and LB - is potentially and probably franchise crushing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Jets fan Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 A couple problems with what you're saying: - By restructuring D'Brick you essentially extend D'Brick. He still gets his money, he just gets it at a different time. They can save almost $10 million in cap space by cutting him now, and a little over $10 million by cutting him after June 1st. - The problem with your thought is that the Jets D isn't better with Harrison on the roster over Wilkerson. Teams and units don't usually get better when they lose their best player in his prime. - To go out of the way to push your two best players off the roster this year and then next (Wilkerson and Revis) - all for a couple of picks that you hope turn into a RT and LB - is potentially and probably franchise crushing. no one said restructure anyone, you keep saying that. Brick knows he is over paid and I believe he will take a pay cut. Mo is not the best player on the DL 1st of all, and he is no way worth 16 mil. I think the TEAM is better with the cap room and picks instead of Mo. No one said anything about pushing Revis out, you are just making that up. With that said you also don't move any of his $$ so you have to keep him. In another thread you pretty much stated people were too stupid to see how good Mo is. Well the people that get paid to judge how good he is can see it Tell me this, if Mo is so great then we will get multiple 1st round picks for him right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 no one said restructure anyone, you keep saying that. Brick knows he is over paid and I believe he will take a pay cut. Mo is not the best player on the DL 1st of all, and he is no way worth 16 mil. I think the TEAM is better with the cap room and picks instead of Mo. No one said anything about pushing Revis out, you are just making that up. With that said you also don't move any of his $$ so you have to keep him. In another thread you pretty much stated people were too stupid to see how good Mo is. Well the people that get paid to judge how good he is can see it Tell me this, if Mo is so great then we will get multiple 1st round picks for him right? - Please re-read your second sentence and see how ridiculous that sounds. As far as no one saying it...You a few posts ago: Plenty of cap space will show up with cro cut, brick redone and mo traded. - Wilkerson's been the best player on this DL for years. No one has said anything about paying him $16 million. Even JJ Watt hasn't made $16 million yet. - While you think the team is better with marginally more cap space and a couple extra draft picks, most teams don't get better when they lose their best performing player in the middle of his prime. - You literally just spoke about being able to cut Revis after 2017. - Yes, and those people have been ranking him as the #2 3-4 DE/DL in the NFL behind Watt for years now. - What kind of question is that? You're the one interested in putting him up for sale in favor of keeping a mid-30s replacement level LT and a run stopping DT. I couldn't care less what a team would give up for Wilkerson - he'd fetch at least one first without an issue - because the Jets would be making a mistake to let him go in favor of those moves. Don't sign Wilkerson to sign Von Miller? OK, if they can make that work it would make sense. Letting Wilkerson go to keep a 2 down run stuffer and an old LT and save a couple million? Horrible idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 I think they bite the bullet and pay Revis most of the money this year, so they can maintain flexibility in the future when he's in his mid 30s. Cromartie and Ferguson will either need to be cut or agree to play for less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 I think they bite the bullet and pay Revis most of the money this year, so they can maintain flexibility in the future when he's in his mid 30s. Revis will be ages 31-34 if he made it to all 4 years, which aren't the mid-30's. There's three things that make restructuring Revis make sense: - He's still an elite player, there's been drop off a cliff at 30 like there was with D'Brick. He also offers a more versatile skillset than most, and should transfer well to a S/DB type role like Law and Woodson did. - The Jets are a "win now" team with likely a 2, maybe 3, year window if they resign Fitzgerald. Having the most possible space to win some games and make some money in 2016 makes the most sense for them. - The cap is supposed to go up while he is under contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleDecker Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Trimming the fat is probably a given. Restructuring Revis requires the Jets to take on some risk, but no more the risk than signing an elite FA this offseason really. I'd rather it be him than one of the OL. As far as I'm concern I think you can field a good team without restructuring anyone. This is where Mac makes his bones during these years where it seems "lean." The jets structured these contracts so they could have ways out if necessary, they shouldn't blow that up barring something truly dire or unforeseen. You try to sign Mo after you trim the fat, but he is not the only hole on this roster. I'm so nervous for this offseason because I believe this is where you truly get to see what Mac and Bowles' vision on how they want to construct this roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 As far as I'm concern I think you can field a good team without restructuring anyone. This is where Mac makes his bones during these years where it seems "lean." The jets structured these contracts so they could have ways out if necessary, they shouldn't blow that up barring something truly dire or unforeseen. You try to sign Mo after you trim the fat, but he is not the only hole on this roster. I'm so nervous for this offseason because I believe this is where you truly get to see what Mac and Bowles' vision on how they want to construct this roster. I'd like to see them go big and make some surprise cuts. Cutting three past their prime players in Cromartie, Mangold, and D'Brick would get the Jets $35+ million in cap space. If these guys want to rebuild the team, now seems like the time to turn over a little bit on the veterans on the club. I do believe restructuring Revis is probably inevitable THO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 For idiot who wrote the headline, it's Cimini feeling Revis would/could be amenable to redo his contract. Not Revis being amenable to redoing his deal as the headline indicates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas2No99 Posted February 1, 2016 Author Share Posted February 1, 2016 the title is stupid. did you recently buy a thesaurus and now you are feeling a bit paramount no, I've just been surfeit to the point with illiterate fools on this forum such as yourself that capitulate to insults because of a limited vocabulary and throw spars at posters due to THEIR/YOUR lack of reading comprehension and intellect. I've had to rely to SIMPLIFYING MY WORDING just so Phoenicians, such as yourself, can UNDERSTAND the message one tries to convey. It's not a high horse, nor the acquisition of a thesaurus, merely an appreciation for the finer aspects of the English language. I have no shame, AND ACTUALLY TAKE PRIDE IN THE FACT, in having a mastery/comprehension of the English language in this grand U.S. Of A. if that's that's too hard for you to "get," how about a simple HEE-HAW, DONT RESPOND IF YOU CANT DONE DO IT WITHOUT TRYING TO INSULT - otherwise, STFU!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Why are people making Revis ought to be some sort of saint? Of course Revis is open to restructuring his contract. He's not losing a single penny. He's still MEvis. Don't forget that. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas2No99 Posted February 1, 2016 Author Share Posted February 1, 2016 Why are people making Revis ought to be some sort of saint? Of course Revis is open to restructuring his contract. He's not losing a single penny. He's still MEvis. Don't forget that. Ever. I agree. It does not make him seem any more of a TEAM PLAYER, considering he's not taking a pay cut according to this OP-ED piece by Semen-i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 I will never, never understand the fan obsession over player salary and the mentality that these guys should - volunteerily - play for less. The crazy thing is I hear it most often in football, a sport where teams routinely cut players mid-contract for any number of reasons. It's disturbing, especially since there's no way everyone making these kind of comments is a billionaire owner of an NFL team - literally the only person on the planet who would benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 no, I've just been surfeit to the point with illiterate fools on this forum such as yourself that capitulate to insults because of a limited vocabulary and throw spars at posters due to THEIR/YOUR lack of reading comprehension and intellect. I've had to rely to SIMPLIFYING MY WORDING just so Phoenicians, such as yourself, can UNDERSTAND the message one tries to convey. It's not a high horse, nor the acquisition of a thesaurus, merely an appreciation for the finer aspects of the English language. I have no shame, AND ACTUALLY TAKE PRIDE IN THE FACT, in having a mastery/comprehension of the English language in this grand U.S. Of A. if that's that's too hard for you to "get," how about a simple HEE-HAW, DONT RESPOND IF YOU CANT DONE DO IT WITHOUT TRYING TO INSULT - otherwise, STFU!!!! I think the word you're looking for is philistines, which strictly speaking doesn't really mean that either but makes more sense than whatever connection you're trying to make between not knowing what words mean and settling the Levant. In any event you sure run your caps lock kinda reckless for somebody who professes such respect for the power inherent in the language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 no, I've just been surfeit to the point with illiterate fools on this forum such as yourself that capitulate to insults because of a limited vocabulary and throw spars at posters due to THEIR/YOUR lack of reading comprehension and intellect. I've had to rely to SIMPLIFYING MY WORDING just so Phoenicians, such as yourself, can UNDERSTAND the message one tries to convey. It's not a high horse, nor the acquisition of a thesaurus, merely an appreciation for the finer aspects of the English language. I have no shame, AND ACTUALLY TAKE PRIDE IN THE FACT, in having a mastery/comprehension of the English language in this grand U.S. Of A. if that's that's too hard for you to "get," how about a simple HEE-HAW, DONT RESPOND IF YOU CANT DONE DO IT WITHOUT TRYING TO INSULT - otherwise, STFU!!!! duh.... Btw, there are a number of grammar errors in this stupid rant. You might want to fix that when pretending to be smarter than other people. For instance.....it's "rely on" not "rely to" Hope this helps you on your quest to do English better than us "idiots" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 A+ for the quotation marks. For the "uninformed", those "quotation marks" are in higher educational formatting called "Air Bunnies"! Gheesh! The types of "vagarants" I have to fraternize with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 cimini simply claimed he believes revis will do this cimini thinks its a possibility no quotes from revis this is off season BS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Don't do it, that would be tannyesque. If you are a front office on a short leash they will do all sorts of amenable things and the players are also amenable becasue they get more cash up front, however a year or two down the road the fans and the new front office is less amenable to the idea becasue they are faced with the mess. Tany amenable, Idzik not amenable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 duh.... Btw, there are a number of grammar errors in this stupid rant. You might want to fix that when pretending to be smarter than other people. For instance.....it's "rely on" not "rely to" Hope this helps you on your quest to do English better than us "idiots" There was no need to use caps on rework or contract. But hey, I'm an idiot. Then again the headline claims Revis is amenable to redoing his deal when clearly he has not said that he is. Cimini believes he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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