njjetman Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 An ESPN article today ranked the five worst salary cap situations in the NFL. The three worst were the three other teams in the AFC East, the Dolphins, Bills and Patriots. 1. Miami Dolphins $166.9 million in cap commitments for 2016 2. Buffalo Bills $166.3 million in cap commitments for 2016 3. New England Patriots $159.1 million in cap commitments for 2016 A team run by Mike Tannenbaum has the worst cap situation in the league? Shocking! All joking aside, this money is not all guaranteed. There are cuts and restructures these teams can make to get back under the cap. It does show the extent to which divisional opponents might have a difficult time making significant free agent investments. As long as the Brady-Belichick duo is in New England, the Pats are going to be very difficult to beat. Are Buffalo and Miami set up for the long haul? Only time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njjetman Posted February 12, 2016 Author Share Posted February 12, 2016 Didn't take mike tanny to long to put Miami in cap hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 You know what's yet another thing overblown by the media? Cap hell. When's the last time cap issues actually resulted in a multi-year complete rebuild for a franchise? The Jets 11-12 years ago, maybe? It's a basic skill at this point for a GM to be able to manipulate the cap and create cap space. This is the NFL, announced contracts are made to be pissed on when a team feels like it. Sure, the a Dolphins and Bills won't be able to run amok in FA (which no team does year after year to begin with) and the Jets will have to trim some players they'd be cutting anyway to play around, but none of these teams are actually in truly terrible situations. Miami's got a mid-tier QB for cheap and a lot of talent around him. The Bills are ****ed because of their coach more than their level of talent and cap space. The Jets could end up with as much as ~40 million in cap space afte they're done making cuts, restructuring, and possibly trading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Jets fan Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 4 minutes ago, SenorGato said: You know what's yet another thing overblown by the media? Cap hell. When's the last time cap issues actually resulted in a multi-year complete rebuild for a franchise? The Jets 11-12 years ago, maybe? It's a basic skill at this point for a GM to be able to manipulate the cap and create cap space. This is the NFL, announced contracts are made to be pissed on when a team feels like it. Sure, the a Dolphins and Bills won't be able to run amok in FA (which no team does year after year to begin with) and the Jets will have to trim some players they'd be cutting anyway to play around, but none of these teams are actually in truly terrible situations. Miami's got a mid-tier QB for cheap and a lot of talent around him. The Bills are ****ed because of their coach more than their level of talent and cap space. The Jets could end up with as much as ~40 million in cap space afte they're done making cuts, restructuring, and possibly trading. See New Orleans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Just now, Joe Jets fan said: See New Orleans. Temporary - out by next year - and with a QB, the best kind of cap hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I'm sure Goodell will figure out a way to help the Pats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJets Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 22 minutes ago, SenorGato said: Temporary - out by next year - and with a QB, the best kind of cap hell. Would agree but Brees will be 38 with a bad shoulder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 4 minutes ago, BroadwayJets said: Would agree but Brees will be 38 with a bad shoulder. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/quick-reads/2016/quick-reads-2015-review Another top 5 QB season for Brees...They'll manage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJets Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, SenorGato said: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/quick-reads/2016/quick-reads-2015-review Another top 5 QB season for Brees...They'll manage. I mean going forward. Age is undefeated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Cap hell is an overblown concept. The real crime is when a GM or the outgoing GM leaves his team too little cap room to properly maneuver. Maintaining your own fav FA's and acquiring a few outsider FA's is one way a team builds their future. The other of course is the draft. Being 13, 13, and 6 m over the cap is just plain old poor stewardship. Here's hoping it comes back to bite them in the a$$. The one thing I thought Mac might have gotten a bit wrong was not leaving himself a bit more cap room to work with this year. ps: this is why restructuring mortgages the future and why I find it so hateful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Just now, BroadwayJets said: I mean going forward. Age is undefeated. The team that just won the SB had a 40 year old QB who underwent neck surgery at 36. The Saints will, somehow, figure out how to win with a HOF QB and a bunch of talented players under contract. If they don't - cap hell is over next year anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJets Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Just now, SenorGato said: The team that just won the SB had a 40 year old QB who underwent neck surgery at 36. The Saints will, somehow, figure out how to win with a HOF QB and a bunch of talented players under contract. If they don't - cap hell is over next year anyway. I agree with the cap hell part, but the Saints defense is actually the worst defense I've ever seen. I think they f'ed up and wasted the final two years of his prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Deleted, not dragging out this conversation too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Should be clear that Tanny still works for the Jets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 9 hours ago, New York Mick said: I'm sure Goodell will figure out a way to help the Pats. All the Pats need do is ask Brady to take a pay cut and free him up to support more of his charity work and they will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 12 hours ago, njjetman said: Didn't take mike tanny to long to put Miami in cap hell they aren't in cap hell like we were never in cap hell. they are fine cap wise w/ a few easy, expected moves just like we were in 2013 when we fired him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 11 hours ago, SenorGato said: The team that just won the SB had a 40 year old QB who underwent neck surgery at 36. The Saints will, somehow, figure out how to win with a HOF QB and a bunch of talented players under contract. If they don't - cap hell is over next year anyway. Who does New Orleans have on defense that resembles anything close to Von Miller and DeMarcus Ware? Their defense has been near the bottom every year. The Broncos have been one of the higher ranked defenses the last few years, THEN added Wade Phillips and Ware. It's all fine and good to say that cap hell doesn't matter much, and I tend to agree in many cases. But you still need a front office that spends money wisely and drafts well, like always. When you don't (like in Miami), those bad contracts actually DO matter for the next regime and sets you back a few years from being competitive. Do you think Maccagnan would have done nearly as well with this roster if he arrived immediately after Tannenbaum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 13 hours ago, SenorGato said: You know what's yet another thing overblown by the media? Cap hell. When's the last time cap issues actually resulted in a multi-year complete rebuild for a franchise? The Jets 11-12 years ago, maybe? It's a basic skill at this point for a GM to be able to manipulate the cap and create cap space. This is the NFL, announced contracts are made to be pissed on when a team feels like it. Sure, the a Dolphins and Bills won't be able to run amok in FA (which no team does year after year to begin with) and the Jets will have to trim some players they'd be cutting anyway to play around, but none of these teams are actually in truly terrible situations. Miami's got a mid-tier QB for cheap and a lot of talent around him. The Bills are ****ed because of their coach more than their level of talent and cap space. The Jets could end up with as much as ~40 million in cap space afte they're done making cuts, restructuring, and possibly trading. This will look prescient when the Dolphins give Mo $115 million dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 The term 'cap hell' does get tossed around all too much I agree but make no mistake cap issues can have a profound effect on a teams success. Can teams get out from under the cap? Yes, but at what cost? Look at Baltimore, decided to play Flacco the big bucks and immediately had to start shedding good players as a result, a year or two later and they are a shadow of what they once were and are in rebuild mode. For good teams you have to either have a super model wife making twice what you do and also get under the table compensation like a certain team or you are going to have issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Looks like Brady will have to restructure and take more backchannel money from Kraft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Brady dogs will be sold at Gillette, Brady team tshirts made in china will be sold, Brady metal detectors will be at all entrance to the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 15 hours ago, SenorGato said: You know what's yet another thing overblown by the media? Cap hell. When's the last time cap issues actually resulted in a multi-year complete rebuild for a franchise? The Jets 11-12 years ago, maybe? It's a basic skill at this point for a GM to be able to manipulate the cap and create cap space. This is the NFL, announced contracts are made to be pissed on when a team feels like it. Sure, the a Dolphins and Bills won't be able to run amok in FA (which no team does year after year to begin with) and the Jets will have to trim some players they'd be cutting anyway to play around, but none of these teams are actually in truly terrible situations. Miami's got a mid-tier QB for cheap and a lot of talent around him. The Bills are ****ed because of their coach more than their level of talent and cap space. The Jets could end up with as much as ~40 million in cap space afte they're done making cuts, restructuring, and possibly trading. I agree. Mayo is going to be cut. Amendola is a candidate for an extension/cut. Brady has two years left, he can be extended and reduce his number from 15. Soldier was extended last year for two years and could be extended to bring his number down from 10+. Jones and Hightower are on the books for over 7+ and in the last year of their contract. The point being, there are a lot of moves a team can make to save money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 16 hours ago, njjetman said: Didn't take mike tanny to long to put Miami in cap hell Not making excuses for him, but how many of those big contracts are on him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 15 hours ago, SenorGato said: Temporary - out by next year - and with a QB, the best kind of cap hell. except when the QB costs 30 mil in cap space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 1 hour ago, PFSIKH said: I agree. Mayo is going to be cut. Amendola is a candidate for an extension/cut. Brady has two years left, he can be extended and reduce his number from 15. Soldier was extended last year for two years and could be extended to bring his number down from 10+. Jones and Hightower are on the books for over 7+ and in the last year of their contract. The point being, there are a lot of moves a team can make to save money. dude Jones Hightower and Collins will all have to be paid, no savings there, Sheard will prob ask for a raise as well. shoot ALL PRO ALL STUD malcolm butler will ask for one, what does he make $300k lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 6 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Who does New Orleans have on defense that resembles anything close to Von Miller and DeMarcus Ware? Their defense has been near the bottom every year. The Broncos have been one of the higher ranked defenses the last few years, THEN added Wade Phillips and Ware. It's all fine and good to say that cap hell doesn't matter much, and I tend to agree in many cases. But you still need a front office that spends money wisely and drafts well, like always. When you don't (like in Miami), those bad contracts actually DO matter for the next regime and sets you back a few years from being competitive. Do you think Maccagnan would have done nearly as well with this roster if he arrived immediately after Tannenbaum? OK, so they won't win and will be out of cap hell next year. 2 hours ago, Jet Nut said: except when the QB costs 30 mil in cap space The least of their problems is that they've had a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 wow ernie adams cap number must be yuge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 4 hours ago, afosomf said: dude Jones Hightower and Collins will all have to be paid, no savings there, Sheard will prob ask for a raise as well. shoot ALL PRO ALL STUD malcolm butler will ask for one, what does he make $300k lol There is no doubt each issue you raised is definitely a concern. I think Jones is as good as gone. Even with his synthetic or whatever it was 'incident', he is going to get paid. Not by the Patriots. Butler, Hightower and Collins are going to be hard to sign as well. Brady and Solder's cap hit of ~25 million gives them some room to play with. If they can extend them, then they can use Hightower's cap figure of 7 million to then start working on the other two. Easy? Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 7 hours ago, SenorGato said: The least of their problems is that they've had a QB. 30 mil on a QB your fanbase adores and won't let you move is a problem. Especially at his age, by the time they get a team around him he'll be done. And if they moved him and had 30 mil to spend they'd get better faster. All while they need to find his replacement. QB is a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 On 2/12/2016 at 8:55 PM, njjetman said: Didn't take mike tanny to long to put Miami in cap hell Only really took him one mega contract to Suh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 10 hours ago, Jet Nut said: And if they moved him and had 30 mil to spend they'd get better faster. Nobody loses their still top tier QB and gets better, let alone gets better faster. Nobody looking for a QB is doing much of anything these days besides acting as fodder or spoiler, if they're lucky, for the ones that do. Folks will talk about how the Broncos have a D and the Saints don't, but the Broncos' future HOF QB is way less toast than theirs. As with all teams, the Saints will scrounge together cap space through restructures and cuts and make moves. None of those moves will be dumping Drew Brees unless somehow another QB pops up as a gift from Jah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 52 minutes ago, SenorGato said: Nobody loses their still top tier QB and gets better, let alone gets better faster. Nobody looking for a QB is doing much of anything these days besides acting as fodder or spoiler, if they're lucky, for the ones that do. Folks will talk about how the Broncos have a D and the Saints don't, but the Broncos' future HOF QB is way less toast than theirs. As with all teams, the Saints will scrounge together cap space through restructures and cuts and make moves. None of those moves will be dumping Drew Brees unless somehow another QB pops up as a gift from Jah. He's counting as $30 mil on a team that has no chance to do anything and needs help at too many different positions. NO sucks and by the time they become a good team Brees will be gone. This is not a good thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 22 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: This is not a good thing It is *always* a good thing to have a QB in the NFL. There is literally zero situations or scenarios where already having a franchise QB on the roster is a negative or holding the franchise back. Your qualms with the money, forever the focus of sports fans these days, are yours to have and all, but let's not pretend a contract in the NFL is ever written in stone. Like with every team every year, the Saints will scrounge up cap space through cuts and restructures/extensions. With Brees specifically, they'll extend him for another 2-3 seasons to free up cap space this year. At this point it seems to be a pretty basic process for teams to manage the cap year by year, not the mystic art it was once portrayed as. They aren't in any serious trouble. I'd guess it's more likely they stay the same or get much better than get worse, mostly because they already have QB locked down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 1 hour ago, SenorGato said: It is *always* a good thing to have a QB in the NFL. There is literally zero situations or scenarios where already having a franchise QB on the roster is a negative or holding the franchise back. Your qualms with the money, forever the focus of sports fans these days, are yours to have and all, but let's not pretend a contract in the NFL is ever written in stone. Like with every team every year, the Saints will scrounge up cap space through cuts and restructures/extensions. With Brees specifically, they'll extend him for another 2-3 seasons to free up cap space this year. At this point it seems to be a pretty basic process for teams to manage the cap year by year, not the mystic art it was once portrayed as. They aren't in any serious trouble. I'd guess it's more likely they stay the same or get much better than get worse, mostly because they already have QB locked down. No, there are times when a high priced, on the downside QB can hurt. And this is one case. Its why they were considering a move from Brees. If Im correct he just passed the date where they have to give him his 17mil accelerator. Getting the other 13 mil extended is no bargain. Theyre probably better off leaving the 30mil as is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 19 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: And this is one case. It's really not, hence not moving him despite the light, at best, rumors. They're probably not going to end up taking a $30 million cap hit either, mostly because they won't be better off taking the hit and then being QB-less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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