Matt39 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Can keep tabs here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 I was just wondering if we were taking any visits. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted March 25, 2016 Author Share Posted March 25, 2016 Just now, Integrity28 said: I was just wondering if we were taking any visits. Thanks! no prob. Believe Lawson is the only one to date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Quote OVERVIEW Great things were expected from Lawson, who was the top-rated prep school player in the country out of Hargrave Military Academy after a successful high school career in South Carolina. He played well as a reserve for two seasons behind the ever-stacked Tiger defensive line, racking up double-digit tackles for loss each year (10 in 2013, 11 in 2014). With the departure of the likes of Vic Beasley and Malliciah Goodman, Lawson finally got a chance to start in 2015 and made the most of it, constantly exploding into the backfield to finish among the nation's leaders in tackles for loss (25.5) and sacks (12.5). Lawson's personal accomplishments (consensus All-American, first-team All-ACC) led to great team success, as he and fellow junior Kevin Dodd and sophomore Heisman Trophy candidate Deshaun Watson helped the Tigers to an undefeated regular season, ACC title, and national championship game appearance. ANALYSIS STRENGTHS Built like a tank with thickly muscled legs and a broad chest. Clemson played him at 5-technique and standing up on the outside. Scheme versatile and will likely appeal to be 3-4 and 4-3 teams. Very powerful at the point of attack. Able to punch, extend arms and control the line of scrimmage or set a hard edge. Able to shock and shed blockers and has the hand quickness to staggered block attempts. Power allows him to play on other side of the line. Finished second in the nation in "stuffs" for defensive linemen with 17. Comes off ball low and with forward lean into his rush. Has frame to handle a double team. Has plus instincts and feel for the game. Toughness in full display. WEAKNESSES Thickly bound with very average flexibility. Average athlete for an end position. Not a natural hip bender and will have to focus on keeping pad level lower to unlock his leverage potential. Shows obvious signs of fatigue as game wears on. At times, is too content to lean on blocks when play isnt run to his side rather than working to discard. Will have snaps where he seems more concerned with imposing his will on blocking rather than diagnosing the play. Doesnt have the bend or upper body flexion to be edge turner as pass rusher. Effort sacks will diminish in pros and will need to become more nuanced pass rusher. SOURCES TELL US "I see Shaq as an outside linebacker in a 3-4. He's not the guy you want to turn loose against the quarterback, but he is the guy that will make it hard for tight ends to block him in the run game. We knew we couldnt run at him and it changed how we called plays." -- ACC offensive coach NFL COMPARISON Courtney Upshaw BOTTOM LINE Productive backup for two years before putting together an All-American season in his first year as a full- time starter. Lawson is built like a full-grown man and combines his instincts, toughness and power to fill up a stat sheet and set an early tone. Lawson's frame and game are easily translatable to the NFL, but his average athleticism and pass rush skills will likely have teams viewing him as a 3-4 edge setter or a 4-3 base end. Lawson may also have value as 3-4 defensive tackle in an upfield scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRENGTHS Built like a tank with thickly muscled legs and a broad chest. Clemson played him at 5-technique and standing up on the outside. Scheme versatile and will likely appeal to be 3-4 and 4-3 teams. Very powerful at the point of attack. Able to punch, extend arms and control the line of scrimmage or set a hard edge. Able to shock and shed blockers and has the hand quickness to staggered block attempts. Power allows him to play on other side of the line. Finished second in the nation in "stuffs" for defensive linemen with 17. Comes off ball low and with forward lean into his rush. Has frame to handle a double team. Has plus instincts and feel for the game. Toughness in full display.
WEAKNESSES Thickly bound with very average flexibility. Average athlete for an end position. Not a natural hip bender and will have to focus on keeping pad level lower to unlock his leverage potential. Shows obvious signs of fatigue as game wears on. At times, is too content to lean on blocks when play isnt run to his side rather than working to discard. Will have snaps where he seems more concerned with imposing his will on blocking rather than diagnosing the play. Doesnt have the bend or upper body flexion to be edge turner as pass rusher. Effort sacks will diminish in pros and will need to become more nuanced pass rusher.
SOURCES TELL US "I see Shaq as an outside linebacker in a 3-4. He's not the guy you want to turn loose against the quarterback, but he is the guy that will make it hard for tight ends to block him in the run game. We knew we couldnt run at him and it changed how we called plays." -- ACC offensive coach
BOTTOM LINE Productive backup for two years before putting together an All-American season in his first year as a full- time starter. Lawson is built like a full-grown man and combines his instincts, toughness and power to fill up a stat sheet and set an early tone. Lawson's frame and game are easily translatable to the NFL, but his average athleticism and pass rush skills will likely have teams viewing him as a 3-4 edge setter or a 4-3 base end. Lawson may also have value as 3-4 defensive tackle in an upfield scheme.
King P Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 I don't see Lawson as an effective 3-4 OLB. Would rather have Kevin Dodd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Can we not keep this stuff in the draft forum. That's why it exits. I don't like chasing threads across subforums Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Good thread--our first pick has been a visit since basically forever. Lawson's numbers project really well. I'd be very happy with him at 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 36 minutes ago, Paradis said: Can we not keep this stuff in the draft forum. That's why it exits. I don't like chasing threads across subforums Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk This is the time of year when the draft and current NY Jets news overlap, so I think it's okay... it's the other 10 months of the year where you draftniks fap into each others mouths that necessitates a sub-forum about drafting specifically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted March 25, 2016 Author Share Posted March 25, 2016 47 minutes ago, Paradis said: Can we not keep this stuff in the draft forum. That's why it exits. I don't like chasing threads across subforums Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Dude cmon. This is entirely Jets related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Dude cmon. This is entirely Jets related. And the draft forum isn't? You got something against stepping in there? Cause there's nobody starting threads about who the steelers are bringing in. Or Chiefs. Just jets. Just draft talking. Just sayin Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted March 25, 2016 Author Share Posted March 25, 2016 Just now, Paradis said: And the draft forum isn't? You got something against stepping in there? Cause there's nobody starting threads about who the steelers are bringing in. Or Chiefs. Just jets. Just draft talking. Just sayin Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk You have to have something better to complain about. But if Max prefers we can move it into the draft forum. I dont care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Good thread--our first pick has been a visit since basically forever. Lawson's numbers project really well. I'd be very happy with him at 20. That was prior to Mac. We'll see how this one holds up Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 This is the time of year when the draft and current NY Jets news overlap, so I think it's okay... it's the other 10 months of the year where you draftniks fap into each others mouths that necessitates a sub-forum about drafting specifically. Yea it's nice to have relevant conversations in there during months not named September. Even including the "it's April and I suddenly know everything about the draft" crowd. I dunno why you guys whine about this when its pointed out. What's the problem? Lazy?... Don't worry. All your friends will see your posts there. You'll still be popular. During the DRAFT WEEK, I get it. It's still freaking March. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJets Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 I can't find proof but I saw yesterday that the Jets were either working out or bringing in Jayron Kearse for a visit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 1 minute ago, BroadwayJets said: I can't find proof but I saw yesterday that the Jets were either working out or bringing in Jayron Kearse for a visit. Interesting. Safety really isnt a need IMO. But that could be an interesting mid round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJets Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Just now, JiF said: Interesting. Safety really isnt a need IMO. But that could be an interesting mid round pick. This year it's not, but I could see Gilchrist departing next year or the year after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted March 25, 2016 Author Share Posted March 25, 2016 1 minute ago, JiF said: Interesting. Safety really isnt a need IMO. But that could be an interesting mid round pick. Playmakers at safety are probably second to edge rushers imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 14 minutes ago, BroadwayJets said: I can't find proof but I saw yesterday that the Jets were either working out or bringing in Jayron Kearse for a visit. Nice, always a big fan of those jumbo safeties in the mold of Adrian Wilson. Not as sure of Kearse as I was of Kam Chancellor or Iloka, but he's obviously a candidate. Lawson's a damn good prospect too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJets Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 User Actions Following Rand GetlinVerified account@Rand_Getlin I'm told former #Clemson safety Jayron Kearse has met with, or is set to visit and/or workout with the #Lions, #Steelers, #Jags and #Jets. Found it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 7 minutes ago, BroadwayJets said: This year it's not, but I could see Gilchrist departing next year or the year after. Any reason why? I think Gilcrhist quietly had one of the best years of all our D players and was a crucial FA pick up. Plus, I like Miles and Bailey as depth who can start in a pinch. 6 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Playmakers at safety are probably second to edge rushers imo Sure. I just dont see a playmaker in Kearse. Plus, he's long. For as much as he does good, he's lazy and gets burned easily. He was a flat out disaster in the National Championship game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJets Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, SenorGato said: Nice, always a big fan of those jumbo safeties in the mold of Adrian Wilson. Not as sure of Kearse as I was of Kam Chancellor or Iloka, but he's obviously a candidate. Haven't watched any of the safeties in this class yet, would be nice to have a playmaker teamed up with Pryor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 26 minutes ago, Paradis said: Yea it's nice to have relevant conversations in there during months not named September. Even including the "it's April and I suddenly know everything about the draft" crowd. I dunno why you guys whine about this when its pointed out. What's the problem? Lazy?... Don't worry. All your friends will see your posts there. You'll still be popular. During the DRAFT WEEK, I get it. It's still freaking March. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk wtf are you talking about? stop being an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 15 minutes ago, JiF said: Interesting. Safety really isnt a need IMO. But that could be an interesting mid round pick. So, you want us to draft for need now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJets Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Just now, JiF said: Any reason why? I think Gilcrhist quietly had one of the best years of all our D players and was a crucial FA pick up. Plus, I like Miles and Bailey as depth who can start in a pinch. Sure. I just dont see a playmaker in Kearse. Plus, he's long. For as much as he does good, he's lazy and gets burned easily. He was a flat out disaster in the National Championship game. I totally agree, and I just looked up his contract and I take that back. Thought he was making a lot more money and would be a cap casualty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 And Shaq Lawson is a slug. He's not going to be overpowering anyone in the NFL at his size and he's got very limited pass rush skills. I like Dodd much better than Lawson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 6 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: So, you want us to draft for need now? No. Not with the holes this team has, they need to go BAP sure. However, I think need comes into factor in the mid to late rounds, for sure. Not so much in the first 3. And Kearse doesnt strike me as someone going in the first 3 rounds. The guy is pretty sh*tty. I know the new thing is big long players in the secondary but I think his size is a disadvantage. Watch that dude vs. FSU and Bama - he's a liability and he wanted nothing to do with Cook or Henry. Again, I think we're talking about the wrong player at the same position. TJ Greene was much more consistent than Kearse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodeawhodat Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 41 minutes ago, Paradis said: Yea it's nice to have relevant conversations in there during months not named September. Even including the "it's April and I suddenly know everything about the draft" crowd. I dunno why you guys whine about this when its pointed out. What's the problem? Lazy?... Don't worry. All your friends will see your posts there. You'll still be popular. During the DRAFT WEEK, I get it. It's still freaking March. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk having a bad day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 11 minutes ago, JiF said: And Shaq Lawson is a slug. Nope nope nope....Top performer in the shuttle, 4.7 40, solid 3-cone and broad jump, solid enough vert, and the right mind of size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Just now, SenorGato said: Nope nope nope....Top performer in the shuttle, 4.7 40, solid 3-cone and broad jump, solid enough vert, and the right mind of size. Cool. Watch him play football and get back to me, Mr. Dupree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodeawhodat Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 33 minutes ago, JiF said: Interesting. Safety really isnt a need IMO. But that could be an interesting mid round pick. With the Pasts signing another playmaking TE i would say it is a need, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Just now, whodeawhodat said: With the Pasts signing another playmaking TE i would say it is a need, imo. How many safeties do you plan on playing at the same time? And I like what Miles and Bailey bring to the table. Bailey looks to have some coverage skills and Miles plays like his hair is on fire. Miles was making plays all over the field when he filled in for Pryor. And I'm not against a safety, I just dont think Kearse is any good. He didnt want to tackle Dalvin Cook or Derrick Henry. You think he wants to cover/tackle Gronk or Bennett? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 wtf are you talking about? stop being an idiot. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 46 minutes ago, JiF said: And Shaq Lawson is a slug. He's not going to be overpowering anyone in the NFL at his size and he's got very limited pass rush skills. I like Dodd much better than Lawson. Ditto, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 29 minutes ago, JiF said: How many safeties do you plan on playing at the same time? And I like what Miles and Bailey bring to the table. Bailey looks to have some coverage skills and Miles plays like his hair is on fire. Miles was making plays all over the field when he filled in for Pryor. And I'm not against a safety, I just dont think Kearse is any good. He didnt want to tackle Dalvin Cook or Derrick Henry. You think he wants to cover/tackle Gronk or Bennett? Su'a Cravens at #20. If he makes it that far. Blew up USC pro day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 3 hours ago, Matt39 said: no prob. Believe Lawson is the only one to date. I believe Lawson has a shoulder issue. Jets Drs probably want to check him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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