Start Hackenberg - Geno \ Petty fight for the # 2

[Maxman]

Let's go. Start Hackenberg. Keep the game plan simple. Stress that he just has to avoid turnovers. Let him learn on the job.

Geno and Petty fight it out for the # 2 spot.

The only way you bring Fitzpatrick back is if he takes under 5 million per year. No need to overpay the future is here.

Let's make the future now.

[PCP63]

If a guy loses all of his confidence for his entire career because of one bad rookie year, he's not our guy. Let him play and learn through actual in-game experience!

[T0mShane]

Reality: they pay Fitz 2/$20m after trading Mo to the Eagles. They hide Hackenberg on the bench and pray to sweet Christ that he learns how to play quarterback by osmosis. After going 6-10 in 2016, they draft a corner to replace Revis at pick #8.

[slats]

Ugh, let's not destroy another young QB. I really don't care if Geno starts this season. Hackenberg, by all accounts, needs to have his confidence restored. Let's give him plenty of time to do that. 

But yes, absolutely no reason to overpay Fitz. 

[Irish Jet]

We'd be better off just shooting him in the head.

[Irish Jet]

Ideally I wouldn't give play him a single down in the next two seasons.

Fitz will resign. There's a long way to go in negotiations. No one's said they're moving on without the other and both parties know it's the best fit. Makes even more sense with a project like Hackenberg on board.

[FTL Jet Fan]

Have to respectfully disagree with you as he is already shellshocked from getting smashed around the college.He really needs to sit for at least two years the game is way too fast for him. He screwed up enough quarterbacks by starting them early. Let's do it right with this one.

[Joe Jets fan]

You guys are wrong with the sit two years.   He ran a full out pro offense as a true freshman.  Which means he learned how in just the summer after high school.   He will be ready this year.   If he needs anything it's little time. Like half a season. That's it. 

[BowlesMovement]

cant start Hackenberg, he needs to sit a year and come in when he is ready. So do we want our QB's Petty and Hackenberg learning from Geno or Petty? I know everyone wants to penalize him for not making the playoffs last year, but lets not be crazy. If he is willing to take something in the 7-8 mil range, for 2 years, its still the best thing short and long term for the team.

[Irish Jet]

Just now, Joe Jets fan said:

You guys are wrong with the sit two years.   He ran a full out pro offense as a true freshman.  Which means he learned how in just the summer after high school.   He will be ready this year.   If he needs anything it's little time. Like half a season. That's it. 

He also seen his fundamentals go to pieces and was beaten into a nervous wreck. He regressed quite brutally after the Freshman year. He needs to be fixed and the odds are against him as it is. If we play him this season he has absolutely no chance. He's not even close to being ready. 

[pointman]

If a bum like Carr can learn on the fly, so can Hackenberg. Start the young man, or Petty... lets go.

[PCP63]

The best way to improve is through in-game experience. You improve your intuition through rep after rep of full-speed, full-contact plays. How is he supposed to adjust to the higher game speed if he never truly experiences it? How is he supposed to learn how to handle pass rush if he never truly experiences it? How is he supposed to learn natural look-offs without being able to practice it in-game?

[Mike135]

I'd say let the 3 compete.  No restrictions on any of 'em.  

I'd guess that means:  Geno / Hack / Petty

So long as we're not spending over backup money on Fitz, anything sounds good to me.

 

[neckdemon]

its starting to feel obvious that the jets are going to go with geno this year and hope the defense keeps them competitive until hackenberg is ready.

[neckdemon]

18 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Reality: they pay Fitz 2/$20m after trading Mo to the Eagles. They hide Hackenberg on the bench and pray to sweet Christ that he learns how to play quarterback by osmosis. After going 6-10 in 2016, they draft a corner to replace Revis at pick #8.

if we draft another cb in the first round i will ******* beat mccagnan to death. with all the cb's we've picked in the draft no qb should ever complete a pass against us ever.

[rex-n-effect]

Start him if he plays like a starter in training camp. Do not play him if he doesn't. 

In all likelihood this guy needs time to learn and time to break bad habits learned by getting beat up in college. No matter how calm and collected he plays when he has some space the real test will be whether we can train him to stay that way under pressure and not revert to making terrible plays. I'd rather be prepared to eat a year with him on the bench if the coaching staff can make good use of that year than toss him out there and see him make a lot of bad decisions, putting us right back in the situation of needing to draft a QB every year.

[Anthony Jet]

If the plan is for hackenberg to sit and learn than Fitz MUST be resigned. Besides actual value on the field, the kid has to learn from a professional which GNo has never been. Petty is basically still a rookie 

[rex-n-effect]

8 minutes ago, Joe Jets fan said:

You guys are wrong with the sit two years.   He ran a full out pro offense as a true freshman.  Which means he learned how in just the summer after high school.   He will be ready this year.   If he needs anything it's little time. Like half a season. That's it. 

Let's not get carried away. He ran a pro-style offense. Not a pro offense. He wasn't playing with pro players or playing against pro defenses. Running the same scheme as a pro offense is not quite the same thing as having pro-conditioned defensive players playing a pro defense on the other side of the ball.

[Mike135]

1 minute ago, PCP63 said:

The best way to improve is through in-game experience. You improve your intuition through rep after rep of full-speed, full-contact plays. How is he supposed to adjust to the higher game speed if he never truly experiences it? How is he supposed to learn how to handle pass rush if he never truly experiences it? How is he supposed to learn natural look-offs without being able to practice it in-game?

Have ya seen the Penn State film?

"How is he supposed to learn how to handle pass rush if he never truly experiences the it?"

That's like saying we Jet fans don't know what losing feels like.

If anything Hack has to get used to what he had his freshman year again...  decent oline, coaching n WRs.  

[Villain The Foe]

7 minutes ago, FTL Jet Fan said:

Have to respectfully disagree with you as he is already shellshocked from getting smashed around the college.He really needs to sit for at least two years the game is way too fast for him. He screwed up enough quarterbacks by starting them early. Let's do it right with this one.

I agree, though I wont got as far as saying atleast 2 years. He most certainly shouldnt see the field this season. For once we need to hide a Quarterback. Just sit him for the season. This schedule is crazy and we didnt have enough picks this draft to attempt an upgrade at RT. 

Geno Smith has a year in the system, just let the guy start. We dont even need to sign Fitz. The only way Hackenberg sees the field is if he pulls a Russell Wilson and literally forces their hand. Anything outside of that, Hackenberg needs to have a seat. 

We need not to wreck this. 

[32EBoozer]

10 minutes ago, neckdemon said:

its starting to feel obvious that the jets are going to go with geno this year and hope the defense keeps them competitive until hackenberg is ready.

Geno will start and hopefully build his value for next yrs. FA period.

Geno signs with someone else in 2017, maybe we get a 5th or 6th Comp pick.

[Charlie Brown]

34 minutes ago, slats said:

Ugh, let's not destroy another young QB. I really don't care if Geno starts this season. Hackenberg, by all accounts, needs to have his confidence restored. Let's give him plenty of time to do that. 

Start Hack???????????????????

Good Grief!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When will Jets fans ever learn!!!!

We started an inexperienced Sanchez when everyone in the ENTIRE NFL including his own College HC said he wasn't ready. He had one year of college experience recall.

We put Geno Smith in from a Spread Offense when he wasn't ready yet and now act as if it was surprising when he failed...

Now a QB with ability who clearly needs significant fundamental work is being clamored to start!!!

What a joke!!

Indeed some of the same folks out here who are now calling for Hack to start are some of the very same people who will be cursing Hack when he inevitably fails due to being rushed, saying "stop the excuses, Hack stinks", he had a great Dee, great Wrs, good OL, running game, good OC, he was babied by the simplistic game plans and that the Jets organization doesn't know what they are doing, 51 years and counting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Blah...Blah....blah

Start Hack?

Really!!!!!

Ugggg and Good Grief !!!!!

[Augustiniak]

2 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

Geno will start and hopefully build his value for next yrs. FA period.

Geno signs with someone else in 2017, maybe we get a 5th or 6th Comp pick.

i'd be shocked if that's the plan, for geno to start.  

[Jet Nut]

15 minutes ago, Irish Jet said:

He also seen his fundamentals go to pieces and was beaten into a nervous wreck. He regressed quite brutally after the Freshman year. He needs to be fixed and the odds are against him as it is. If we play him this season he has absolutely no chance. He's not even close to being ready. 

Reed a huge difference between not being able to produce at the level he did earlier and regress.  He didn't regress, his yardage numbers went up and his TD to INT ratio went up to a 2-1 his last season.  

He also nowhere near a nervous wreck. He was under constant fire due to a horrible OL but he wasn't a nervous wreck. 

[PCP63]

7 minutes ago, Mike135 said:

Have ya seen the Penn State film?

"How is he supposed to learn how to handle pass rush if he never truly experiences the it?"

That's like saying we Jet fans don't know what losing feels like.

If anything Hack has to get used to what he had his freshman year again...  decent oline, coaching n WRs.  

He's never experienced an NFL pass rush, or the speed of an NFL game. You can't learn that holding a clipboard. Improving your intuition (football I.Q.) will get you further than any "mentoring" by a vet. 

 

For those saying not to ruin another QB, how does starting them their rookie year "ruin" them? If a QB's confidence is shattered beyond repair after a tough rookie season, they're not your guy anyways.

[Irish Jet]

Some of the recent rookie QB's have spoiled the fans into thinking all of them should play.

There's a reason QB's are developed so poorly these days. They're just told to sink or swim from the get go. 

[dbatesman]

40 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Reality: they pay Fitz 2/$20m after trading Mo to the Eagles. They hide Hackenberg on the bench and pray to sweet Christ that he learns how to play quarterback by osmosis. After going 6-10 in 2016, they draft a corner to replace Revis at pick #8.

2017: Hackenberg takes the reins and starts 0-4. Bowles says "Christian is our quarterback" at least once in every press conference, until it becomes a sort of zen koan. Defensive players begin openly criticizing the offense's lack of production. Mehta writes a series of articles praising Bowles for bravely soldiering on despite such an incompetent front office. Dcat explains that Hackenberg's 5:11 TD:INT ratio is "a meaningless stat that has to be examined in context." Hackenberg is benched for Petty, who drags the team to 6-10. Maccagnan and Bowles are fired. Woody hires the guy who does contracts for the Panthers as GM. New GM signs Case Keenum and names him the starter. Team spends its first-round pick on a defensive end. 

[Sperm Edwards]

20 minutes ago, neckdemon said:

if we draft another cb in the first round i will ******* beat mccagnan to death. with all the cb's we've picked in the draft no qb should ever complete a pass against us ever.

If we do everyone will lap up his rationalization that said CB was BAP on his board no matter what  

[Mike135]

18 minutes ago, PCP63 said:

He's never experienced an NFL pass rush, or the speed of an NFL game. You can't learn that holding a clipboard. Improving your intuition (football I.Q.) will get you further than any "mentoring" by a vet. 

 

For those saying not to ruin another QB, how does starting them their rookie year "ruin" them? If a QB's confidence is shattered beyond repair after a tough rookie season, they're not your guy anyways.

Good points, but a couple things:

1. Normally I'd say never start a rookie QB unless he's top 1st rounder quality.  Heck if this team was like our 2013 squad, hell no would it be ok to start Hack.  Just like it was dumb to start Geno.  But with this team?  Hell, it made FITZ look good!  So whoever earns the starting gig should get it without worries.
2. Starting a guy when he's not ready in a bad situation can ruin a guy's career.  Could get him shell-shocked.  And even more likely here in NJ/NY and particularly on this board...  fans and media will turn on you quickly which sadly does weigh on coaches and ownership.  The hatred for Geno around here is one glaring example.

[ZachEY]

51 minutes ago, Maxman said:

Let's go. Start Hackenberg. Keep the game plan simple. Stress that he just has to avoid turnovers. Let him learn on the job.

Geno and Petty fight it out for the # 2 spot.

The only way you bring Fitzpatrick back is if he takes under 5 million per year. No need to overpay the future is here.

Let's make the future now.

I can't imagine post counts were that disappointing during the draft?

[elgoman]

There's more value in having Geno start and Hackenberg sit. This is Geno's contract year so there's a decent chance he shows greatly improved performance. Hackenberg isn't ready this year anyway.

[jack48]

31 minutes ago, BowlesMovement said:

cant start Hackenberg, he needs to sit a year and come in when he is ready. So do we want our QB's Petty and Hackenberg learning from Geno or Petty? I know everyone wants to penalize him for not making the playoffs last year, but lets not be crazy. If he is willing to take something in the 7-8 mil range, for 2 years, its still the best thing short and long term for the team.

Petty and Hackenburg are coming out of 2 different backgrounds.  For Petty it was like landing from Mars.  Hackenburg will sit some, maybe a full season if Fitz comes back and does well.   But I could see him starting a game if we are 4-6.

[Sperm Edwards]

Seriously this is not as ridiculous as people are making it. The reason to sit a player is if the game is too fast for him and if he is learning (especially if slow-learning) the pro game. Hackenberg's best attribute is supposed to be his smarts and prior experience picking up & running a pro style offense within a few months of grauating high school. Not because of his theoretically elite, but horribly raw, physical talent. 

People are way too carried away with this whole idea of QBs getting ruined by starting them right away. Some (most) QBs suck, some don't. The idea that they're permanently ruined by adversity is unprovable anyway. Lynch would need to sit for most or all of his rookie year (possibly more). 

There's also an in between: he can sit for a bit and then come in after that first stretch of tough games is over & let Geno take those beatings (from those opponents and from the fans/press). Then put Hackenberg out there when our middle tier of games hits: Baltimore-Cleveland-Miami-LA. 

[Irish Jet]

8 minutes ago, gEYno said:

I can't imagine post counts were that disappointing during the draft?

That was exactly what I thought when I saw who posted this.

[Sperm Edwards]

12 minutes ago, Irish Jet said:

Some of the recent rookie QB's have spoiled the fans into thinking all of them should play.

There's a reason QB's are developed so poorly these days. They're just told to sink or swim from the get go. 

And some of the players who were never going to be good and/or who never played in & couldn't handle a pro style offense, going out there and being terrible, and spoiling the fans into believing that therefore all QBs need to sit for a year (preferably 2 or 3). 

Sanchez, Geno, Petty...these guys weren't ready as rookies, or were/are never going to be consistently good anyway. There is no "rule" for all QBs. Most of them didn't play in or have much exposure to huddling up, surveying a defense, taking snaps from center, going through planned progressions, etc. Those guys typically should sit right away, unless they seem to pick everything up over that first summer in savant-like fashion.

If it all comes back to him, and they think he's good to go, I'm fine with it. If he still looks hesitant or too panicky or afraid of contact, then clearly he needs to sit for a while. But "sit them all" isn't any more valid of a requirement than "start them all" IMO. Depends on the individual kid.