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1 hour ago, Rangers9 said:

No sabotage. He drafted all of Rex's D picks. Including secondary players. That cornerback issue is a joke. How's about coaching up the players he had like other teams did when they had injuries. Rex wasn't and isn't the GM but obviously his GMs including Idzik listened to him. He was even bragging recently about "his" trying to make a deal for Beckham. Doesn't sound like sabotage to me. 

he sabotaged him, he wanted Rex gone in 2013 but when we finished strong he didn't have a choice.  he was preparing for a big offseason after 2014 but he never got to oversee it.

 

read btw the lines on stuff like that, he is basically saying his Gm was inept and his hands were tied.  

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5 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

he sabotaged him, he wanted Rex gone in 2013 but when we finished strong he didn't have a choice.  he was preparing for a big offseason after 2014 but he never got to oversee it.

 

read btw the lines on stuff like that, he is basically saying his Gm was inept and his hands were tied.  

No sabotage at all. Idzik wanted to win games just like Rex did. Do you think he wanted the Qb he drafted to lose games. No evidence that he was trying to tank it so Rex would take the blame. I don't think the guy was that deceitful. I saw Idzik after games they won genuinely happy and he wasn't a good enough actor to fake it. The one who is two faced is Rex who got his peeps in the press to put out his spin. That Buff reporter really nailed him for what he is. He did the same thing to Tebow. He used the press to plant a story. 

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Just now, Rangers9 said:

No sabotage at all. Idzik wanted to win games just like Rex did. Do you think he wanted the Qb he drafted to lose games. No evidence that he was trying to tank it so Rex would take the blame. I don't think the guy was that deceitful. I saw Idzik after games they won genuinely happy and he wasn't a good enough actor to fake it. The one who is two faced is Rex who got his peeps in the press to put out his spin. That Buff reporter really nailed him for what he is. He did the same thing to Tebow. He used the press to plant a story. 

Idzik did not build a team to win, that was coming the following offseason.  he gave him enough window dressing to hang himself.

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2 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

Idzik did not build a team to win, that was coming the following offseason.  he gave him enough window dressing to hang himself.

The team was a fraudulent 8-8 the year before, in which Jets fans wanted to rename the SB trophy to the Ryan trophy. They then added Decker and went after FA's but Idzik stuck to his price. He was not trying to sabotage Rex, he was just an inept moron who only got the job because no real GM would take the job with Rex being a contingency.

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9 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

Idzik did not build a team to win, that was coming the following offseason.  he gave him enough window dressing to hang himself.

You can dispute Idzik's ability as a GM. And there might have been differences in philosophy on the time frame for a rebuild. Idzik was looking towards the future and Rex wanted to spend all the money that one year. Like most coaches he looks short term not long term. But to say Idzik tried to sabotage him is BS. And Woody fired Rex not Idzik. He could have retained Rex if he felt Idzik was trying to screw him. 

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26 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

he sabotaged him, he wanted Rex gone in 2013 but when we finished strong he didn't have a choice.  he was preparing for a big offseason after 2014 but he never got to oversee it.

 

read btw the lines on stuff like that, he is basically saying his Gm was inept and his hands were tied.  

Its amazing how many people have sabotaged poor Rex over the years, GM's, OC's, QB's, fans, media members, players, refs, TV camera men, and probably a few more I am missing. Yet somehow, someway, Rex has been able to persevere, and be a great HC who is responsible for every win his teams have had single handedly.

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14 minutes ago, BowlesMovement said:

The team was a fraudulent 8-8 the year before, in which Jets fans wanted to rename the SB trophy to the Ryan trophy. They then added Decker and went after FA's but Idzik stuck to his price. He was not trying to sabotage Rex, he was just an inept moron who only got the job because no real GM would take the job with Rex being a contingency.

they were, rex did a spectacular job getting that team to 8 wins(and if Idzik doesn't force Geno on him we make the playoffs w/ Mark).  Idzik was saving for a future he never got to oversee.

10 minutes ago, Rangers9 said:

You can dispute Idzik's ability as a GM. And there might have been differences in philosophy on the time frame for a rebuild. Idzik was looking towards the future and Rex wanted to spend all the money that one year. Like most coaches he looks short term not long term. But to say Idzik tried to sabotage him is BS. And Woody fired Rex not Idzik. He could have retained Rex if he felt Idzik was trying to screw him. 

he didn't try to sabotage him, he DID sabotage him.

4 minutes ago, BowlesMovement said:

Its amazing how many people have sabotaged poor Rex over the years, GM's, OC's, QB's, fans, media members, players, refs, TV camera men, and probably a few more I am missing. Yet somehow, someway, Rex has been able to persevere, and be a great HC who is responsible for every win his teams have had single handedly.

only Idzik.

 

what is amazing is how Jet fans bash him, the same Jet fans swooning over Bowles that will be bashing Bowles in a few years when he is fired then love the new coach.  The cycle never ends.

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1 minute ago, nyjunc said:

they were, rex did a spectacular job getting that team to 8 wins(and if Idzik doesn't force Geno on him we make the playoffs w/ Mark).  Idzik was saving for a future he never got to oversee.

he didn't try to sabotage him, he DID sabotage him.

only Idzik.

 

what is amazing is how Jet fans bash him, the same Jet fans swooning over Bowles that will be bashing Bowles in a few years when he is fired then love the new coach.  The cycle never ends.

LOL, he did no spectacular job, he lucked his balls off to get that 8-8 record. Idzik did not try to sabotage him, he was an idiot.

Nobody is swooning all over Bowles, people like his apporach compared the clown act that was Rex Ryan. If he is a good HC, he will be liked, if he is bad, he will not be liked. 

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8 minutes ago, BowlesMovement said:

LOL, he did no spectacular job, he lucked his balls off to get that 8-8 record. Idzik did not try to sabotage him, he was an idiot.

Nobody is swooning all over Bowles, people like his apporach compared the clown act that was Rex Ryan. If he is a good HC, he will be liked, if he is bad, he will not be liked. 

spectacular, one of the best coaching jobs of the last decade and better than what he did in 2009 or 2010.  to win 8 w/ that team w/ that QB who wasn't ready to play was amazing.

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The sabotage claim came out because Rex wanted the Jets to sign a cover corner. And his fans cried that his defense was based on having a franchise type corner in the secondary. Idzik didn't blow it off or fail to address it. He came close to signing the two best corners in free agency that year: DRC and Vontae Davis. He made offers but both players signed with different teams. In both cases it was down to the Jets and an other team and they took the other team. Davis signed with the team he played for when they matched the Jets offer. Then he signed Patterson as a fall back. The guy was a legit vet NFL starter but a dickhead. Plenty of teams in 2014 had injuries in the secondary and didn't have elite corners and won games. Plus he signed free agents like Williams who are pretty good players. Look Idzik tried to work with Rex and not lose games so he could fire him. If you want to say he was incompetent that's something else. 

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3 minutes ago, Rangers9 said:

The sabotage claim came out because Rex wanted the Jets to sign a cover corner. And his fans cried that his defense was based on having a franchise type corner in the secondary. Idzik didn't blow it off or fail to address it. He came close to signing the two best corners in free agency that year: DRC and Vontae Davis. He made offers but both players signed with different teams. In both cases it was down to the Jets and an other team and they took the other team. Davis signed with the team he played for when they matched the Jets offer. Then he signed Patterson as a fall back. The guy was a legit vet NFL starter but a dickhead. Plenty of teams in 2014 had injuries in the secondary and didn't have elite corners and won games. Plus he signed free agents like Williams who are pretty good players. Look Idzik tried to work with Rex and not lose games so he could fire him. If you want to say he was incompetent that's something else. 

NO, I was in favor of not overpaying certain players but he was preparing for a huge splash in the 2015 offseason, if we had the spending spree last year w/ rex 2 years ago Rex is still our coach b/c we make the playoffs.

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11 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

spectacular, one of the best coaching jobs of the last decade and better than what he did in 2009 or 2010.  to win 8 w/ that team w/ that QB who wasn't ready to play was amazing.

lol, what a joke. How anyone could downplay 15 and praise 13 is just a complete and utter joke. At least be consistent, your agenda is shining bright.

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3 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

NO, I was in favor of not overpaying certain players but he was preparing for a huge splash in the 2015 offseason, if we had the spending spree last year w/ rex 2 years ago Rex is still our coach b/c we make the playoffs.

Idzik spent money but not all of it like Mac did. He was trying to build a secondary in the draft and Milliner after finishing 2013 playing well was supposed to be a starter. There were injuries and the Patterson signing didn't work out. On paper for the money it was smart. Mac does the same things tries to sign injured players who were good for a song. Patterson had played well for Miami when healthy. It was a calculated risk that didn't work out. 

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43 minutes ago, BowlesMovement said:

The team was a fraudulent 8-8 the year before, in which Jets fans wanted to rename the SB trophy to the Ryan trophy. They then added Decker and went after FA's but Idzik stuck to his price. He was not trying to sabotage Rex, he was just an inept moron who only got the job because no real GM would take the job with Rex being a contingency.

I agree.  Idzik is not that bright

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10 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

NO, I was in favor of not overpaying certain players but he was preparing for a huge splash in the 2015 offseason, if we had the spending spree last year w/ rex 2 years ago Rex is still our coach b/c we make the playoffs.

We could have signed both Darrelle Revis and Desean Jackson in 2014 and guess what, Carr and Bridgewater were both available when we drafted the Louisville Slugger.

 

Any 2 of those 3 moves and Rex is probably still the coach.

 

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7 minutes ago, BowlesMovement said:

lol, what a joke. How anyone could downplay 15 and praise 13 is just a complete and utter joke. At least be consistent, your agenda is shining bright.

'13 was a MUCH better coaching job than '15.  '15 we had playoff talent, we should have been in the playoffs.  '13 we should have won 3-4 games.  Overachieved in '13, underachieved in '15.

4 minutes ago, Rangers9 said:

Idzik spent money but not all of it like Mac did. He was trying to build a secondary in the draft and Milliner after finishing 2013 playing well was supposed to be a starter. There were injuries and the Patterson signing didn't work out. On paper for the money it was smart. Mac does the same things tries to sign injured players who were good for a song. Patterson had played well for Miami when healthy. It was a calculated risk that didn't work out. 

Macc HAD to spend money b/c Idzik didn't, you have to spend a certain % of the cap over a 3-4 year period.  

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2 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

'13 was a MUCH better coaching job than '15.  '15 we had playoff talent, we should have been in the playoffs.  '13 we should have won 3-4 games.  Overachieved in '13, underachieved in '15.

Macc HAD to spend money b/c Idzik didn't, you have to spend a certain % of the cap over a 3-4 year period.  

I actually think X's and O'scwise Bowles and Rex are similar.  In practice they are different but on the field on game day they are similar

 

Idzik didn't spend money in '14 because his head was in his ass.  It wasn't part of a grand strategy or sabotage he was just incompetent.  Mac has done more with very little cap room this year compared to Idzik with $35 million in '14

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It's easy to say we should have drafted Carr or Bridgewater after the fact. Both guys dropped Carr into the 2nd round. The Jets stuck with Geno who finished the season well. They felt he could be their starter. And Carr looks like the better player a possible franchise Qb with Teddy so far looking like an ok player, a game manager.  And Pryor looks like a long time starter and possible Pro Bowl player. I'll take him at a position we were weak at. As soon as Rex left he started playing a lot better. 

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4 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

'13 was a MUCH better coaching job than '15.  '15 we had playoff talent, we should have been in the playoffs.  '13 we should have won 3-4 games.  Overachieved in '13, underachieved in '15.

Macc HAD to spend money b/c Idzik didn't, you have to spend a certain % of the cap over a 3-4 year period.  

Neither was a great coaching job, both appear much better than they were

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2 minutes ago, drdetroit said:

I actually think X's and O'scwise Bowles and Rex are similar.  In practice they are different but on the field on game day they are similar

 

Idzik didn't spend money in '14 because his head was in his ass.  It wasn't part of a grand strategy or sabotage he was just incompetent.  Mac has done more with very little cap room this year compared to Idzik with $35 million in '14

I agree about Bowles and rex. 

 

on idzik, I just think he was planning to splurge(he had to) after the 2014 season.  he wanted rex gone and anything short of the playoffs(which were unrealistic w/ that roster) he was gone.

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12 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

'13 was a MUCH better coaching job than '15.  '15 we had playoff talent, we should have been in the playoffs.  '13 we should have won 3-4 games.  Overachieved in '13, underachieved in '15.

Macc HAD to spend money b/c Idzik didn't, you have to spend a certain % of the cap over a 3-4 year period.  

Idzik would have spent more of it in 2015. A better coaching job by Rex in 2014 he's not fired. He was atrocious esp against the Bills. How he talked the Pegulas into hiring him after that poor display of coaching we'll never know. Those people are supposed to be smart.

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21 minutes ago, Rangers9 said:

Idzik would have spent more of it in 2015. A better coaching job by Rex in 2014 he's not fired. He was atrocious esp against the Bills. How he talked the Pegulas into hiring him after that poor display of coaching we'll never know. Those people are supposed to be smart.

Wait, what? Rex got Idzik fired?!? That's what you're going with? Holy mackerel... 

There are people here who like Idzik basically because he detonated his bomb vest of suck and took out the entire front office and coaching staff with him. While I don't like Idzik for that, I understand the mentality. Rex certainly had his own issues, but the idea that Rex somehow did Idzik wrong? Lmfao...  

Bowles going 0-2 against Rex and those same Bills sorta undercuts your argument, too. Just sayin'. 

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This is what I think. Idzik didn't blow up anything. He felt the team was in a rebuilding process. He tried to rebuild the secondary via the draft. It wasn't ignored. And cleared a lot of cap space and spent some but not as much as RR and the fans wanted him to. He might have thought that 2015 was the better year to spend that money and the team would be in more of a position to compete. He obviously didn't expect the team to regress and go 4-12 in 2014. At Jacksonville they did the same thing. They built up a war chest and when they thought they were ready (this year) spent it all in free agency. And by the way all of the criticism on Idzik picking players with injury histories like Milliner who was considered the best CB in that draft. Look at the guys drafted high this year. A lot of injury history. Teams are willing to take that chance for talent. And most players have an injury history. 

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6 hours ago, nyjunc said:

I want him back too but it's not as simple as wanting him back.  

we had the ball at our 18 w/ no timeouts needing a TD.  Please stop.

that imbecile is the only coach in our nearly 60 years to give us 2 chances to reach a Super Bowl.  while w/ the Jets he had one bad season, a season where his Gm sabotaged him b/c he wanted to hire his own coach.

I'm glad you acknowledge that Rex is an imbecile. Rex was awful before Idzik ever set foot in the door. Just a horrible, disorganized,  stupid, child who ran a completely undisciplined squad (including his mostly bad staff). Good riddance.  

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13 hours ago, Dcat said:

I'm glad you acknowledge that Rex is an imbecile. Rex was awful before Idzik ever set foot in the door. Just a horrible, disorganized,  stupid, child who ran a completely undisciplined squad (including his mostly bad staff). Good riddance.  

so stupid he got us closer to a SB than any coach not named Weeb Ewbank.  Jet fans just don't want to win.

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15 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

hard to win w/o talent and he wasn't the GM.

Yeah, he effectively built his team from 09 through 12, Tannenbaum was his errand boy. He had the exact team he wanted, and he said it many times over the years. I am going to let you in on something, that you don't understand. Rex wanted crappy offenses, no why? Because he knew that if he had  good offense, it would put more pressure on his defense, and he would not look like such a genius. He wanted to run the ball and control the clock, less time for the opposing offense meant less time for his defense to give up stats. Winning was always secondary to him, he wanted to do it, but it was a distant second to keeping his family name as a defensive genius. He had the exact team he wanted, he had Tannenbaum building it for him, and when it failed, he wanted to blame everyone else.

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3 hours ago, nyjunc said:

so stupid he got us closer to a SB than any coach not named Weeb Ewbank.  Jet fans just don't want to win.

No. Not true. I don't want an immature narcissistic baby running a kindergarten for grown men. Rex will NEVER be a leader of men. He wants his players to like him above all else. This is why he continually praises mediocrity. He will never push his players to achieve greater heights. He will never be effective in the development of young talent.  Blind Rex apologosts.  All you have are two playoff years where the team was basically gifted into the playoffs by a Colts team that lied down  and a cinci team that  had  nothing to play for since  it had already clinched it's spot. Rex got lucky and all you does who ah adore him never  acknowledge it.  Rex flat out  and  buffalo fans despise him now. Didn't take  there,  did it?

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2 hours ago, BowlesMovement said:

Yeah, he effectively built his team from 09 through 12, Tannenbaum was his errand boy. He had the exact team he wanted, and he said it many times over the years. I am going to let you in on something, that you don't understand. Rex wanted crappy offenses, no why? Because he knew that if he had  good offense, it would put more pressure on his defense, and he would not look like such a genius. He wanted to run the ball and control the clock, less time for the opposing offense meant less time for his defense to give up stats. Winning was always secondary to him, he wanted to do it, but it was a distant second to keeping his family name as a defensive genius. He had the exact team he wanted, he had Tannenbaum building it for him, and when it failed, he wanted to blame everyone else.

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7 minutes ago, Dcat said:

No. Not true. I don't want an immature narcissistic baby running a kindergarten for grown men. Rex will NEVER be a leader of men. He wants his players to like him above all else. This is why he continually praises mediocrity. He will never push his players to achieve greater heights. He will never be effective in the development of young talent.  Blind Rex apologosts.  All you have are two playoff years where the team was basically gifted into the playoffs by a Colts team that lied down  and a cinci team that  had  nothing to play for since  it had already clinched it's spot. Rex got lucky and all you does who ah adore him never  acknowledge it.  Rex flat out  and  buffalo fans despise him now. Didn't take  there,  did it?

all we have are 2 playoff apps(only Herm has more in team history by the way) and all we have are 2 title game apps(no one has more).  It was much more fun last year missing the playoffs again w/ our most talented roster since 2010.

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