Jets Risking Divided Locker Room in Fitzpatrick Negotiations?

[BowlesMovement]

17 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Its really time to ignore certain posters on this forum they make threads unreadable anymore. 

Wait, so you make this pots, then 2 minutes later make this post:

 

11 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

What he really is saying Colgateman is he wants to see you in a bra.

lol

[Big Blocker]

I used to be more open minded on the general subject of banning, but trolls who cause thread derailments are a real problem. 

[sourceworx]

6 minutes ago, Joe Jets fan said:

For the life of me I can not understand why someone would go to your teams rivals message board and pretend to be a fan to mess with people. 

On top of that post non stop everyday.  Just don't understand.

It's sad, isn't it?  Devoting so much of your time to putting others down based on a sports team that they like. Such a waste of life.

[Joe Jets fan]

Just now, sourceworx said:

It's sad, isn't it?  Devoting so much of your time to putting others down based on a sports team that they like. Such a waste of life.

I would love to know the real story of some posters, no job, moms basement, disabled, executive, man posing as a man?    So many possibilities.

[RutgersJetFan]

32 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Its really time to ignore certain posters on this forum they make threads unreadable anymore. 

Well hello there, kettle.

[Mike135]

Been posted already, but this is a favorite of mine...

While the stats suggest Fitzpatrick was a league-average passer, the tape shows he was one of the worst starting quarterbacks in the league and the biggest reason a talented Jets team missed the postseason.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/03/nfl-new-york-jets-free-agent-contract-geno-smith

 

 

Two weeks into NFL free agency, Ryan Fitzpatrick is still looking for a job.

With a number of teams still looking for a quarterback, including Fitzpatrick’s most recent team, the New York Jets, it’s a bit surprising a quarterback who threw 31 touchdowns and led his team to 10 wins has not been signed.

Fitzpatrick’s situation is a fascinating case-study in how the league balances the eye test and stats when evaluating a player. In 2015, Fitzpatrick’s tape did not necessarily match up with his numbers. He’s a quarterback with many flaws that were hidden by a tremendous supporting cast and a fair bit of luck.

While the stats suggest Fitzpatrick was a league-average passer, the tape shows he was one of the worst starting quarterbacks in the league and the biggest reason a talented Jets team missed the postseason.

The most glaring weakness in his Fitzpatrick game is his arm strength. He can’t push the ball more than 20 yards downfield without sacrificing accuracy. He only completed 20% of his passes on such attempts.

 

And it’s not like Fitzpatrick is very accurate on shorter throws either. According to Cian Fahey’s quarterback charting project, 72% of Fitzpatrick passes were thrown accurately, the second worst number in the league.

Having receivers Brandon Marshall and Eric Decker propped up Fitzpatrick’s numbers in a big way. The duo hauled in 26 of his 31 touchdowns. Marshall, in particular, was a big reason for Fitzpatrick’s success. His large catch radius was able to make up for his quarterback’s poor ball placement on many occasions. And Fitzpatrick’s completion percentage (59.6%) still fell way below league average.

Because Fitzpatrick is a veteran and went to Harvard (Did you know he went to Harvard?), we just assume he’s a good decision-maker, in spite of the high interception totals and ill-advised scrambles. Fitzpatrick is actually quite limited in the pocket. He’s closer to a Robert Griffin III than a Tom Brady. When his first option doesn’t get open, Fitzpatrick devolves into an erratic decision-maker.

Fitzpatrick threw only 15 interceptions, but that number doesn’t really capture how reckless he was with the football. Fahey charted Fitzpatrick with 30 “interceptable passes,” second most in the entire league. Only ten of those passes were actually caught by defenders — his five other interceptions were deemed the fault of the receiver. Expect a regression to the mean in 2016.

Fitzpatrick is a career backup who found himself in a great situation. We’ve seen this situation play out before. Most recently in 2013, when Josh McCown put up ridiculous numbers for the Bears, got a nice contract from the Buccaneers and played like the backup he truly was in 2014. The Jets aren’t going to make that same mistake. The team understands it will not be able to pay Fitzpatrick and keep the talented supporting cast that props him up.

Going back to Geno Smith is the more financially sound decision if New York can’t find a cheaper option. Smith is a very flawed quarterback but not much of a downgrade from Fitzpatrick. He’s just as inaccurate and turnover-prone but has a much stronger arm. His 2014 rate stats (completion percentage, yards per attempt, etc.) aren’t far off from what Fitzpatrick was able to produce with a much better team around him. And at 25, Smith has the much higher ceiling.

Even if Fitzpatrick were to come down to the Jets’ price, which is reportedly a shade under $10 million, I’m not so sure it’s worth coughing up the money. Smith is on the books for just $1.59 million in 2016 and might be the better quarterback if given the chance. The Jets offense did just fine when Smith took over for an injured Fitzpatrick during the Raiders game.

With the team already struggling to maintain its defense — the real strength of the roster — those millions it can save by passing on Fitzpatrick are a big deal. Per Spotrac. The team has about $2 million in projected cap room and still needs money to sign its rookie class. For the Jets to clear enough space to give Fitzpatrick even a modest contract, the team would have to make some cost-cutting moves, which could include trading all-pro defensive lineman Muhammad Wilkerson, who is set to make $15.7 million playing under the franchise tag in 2016.

In order to marginally improve the team’s quarterback situation, the team will have to take giant steps backwards elsewhere. And if Fitzpatrick couldn’t get the 2015 roster to the playoffs, why should we expect any different with a weaker team in 2016?

[joewilly12]

37 minutes ago, BowlesMovement said:

Very insightful, intellectual post cuz, thanks for the contributions to the board.

 

12 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

Well hello there, kettle.

I just put 2 posters on IGNORE and damn it feels good. 

[RutgersJetFan]

3 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

 

I just put 2 posters on IGNORE and damn it feels good. 

You don't even know how to copy and paste things. I refuse to believe you figured out how to use the ignore feature. 

[joewilly12]

2 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

 

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[RutgersJetFan]

4 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Blah blah blah 

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[joewilly12]

2 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

 

I SEE NOTHNG 

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This is actually kind of adorable.

[Matt39]

"Cian Fahey's charting"

[BowlesMovement]

37 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

 

I just put 2 posters on IGNORE and damn it feels good. 

OMG!!! I CANNOT BELIEVE I HAVE BEEN IGNORED BY JOEWILLY12, THIS IS TRAGIC, WHAT WILL I DO????? PLESAE RECONSIDER JOEWILLY12, PLEASE!!!!!

[Mainejet]

4 hours ago, The Crusher said:

.... Or punched.  Both work.

[Lupz27]

There is only 1 person in this forum that has the distinction of being put on my ignore list, Sar 1.  He come over from JI like a pompous ass that had nothing useful to contribute. 

[Scott Dierking]

How can a locker room be divided if everyone is thinking the same thing?

[joewilly12]

Players get paid to play football and do their best regardless of what others do. 

The Jets are a unique team to say the least anything strange or you never heard of usually happens to the NY Jets. 

Decker,Marshall and Mangold would all be cut if they were on the New England Patriots. 

[FidelioJet]

4 hours ago, Mike135 said:

Been posted already, but this is a favorite of mine...

While the stats suggest Fitzpatrick was a league-average passer, the tape shows he was one of the worst starting quarterbacks in the league and the biggest reason a talented Jets team missed the postseason.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/03/nfl-new-york-jets-free-agent-contract-geno-smith

 

 

Two weeks into NFL free agency, Ryan Fitzpatrick is still looking for a job.

With a number of teams still looking for a quarterback, including Fitzpatrick’s most recent team, the New York Jets, it’s a bit surprising a quarterback who threw 31 touchdowns and led his team to 10 wins has not been signed.

Fitzpatrick’s situation is a fascinating case-study in how the league balances the eye test and stats when evaluating a player. In 2015, Fitzpatrick’s tape did not necessarily match up with his numbers. He’s a quarterback with many flaws that were hidden by a tremendous supporting cast and a fair bit of luck.

While the stats suggest Fitzpatrick was a league-average passer, the tape shows he was one of the worst starting quarterbacks in the league and the biggest reason a talented Jets team missed the postseason.

The most glaring weakness in his Fitzpatrick game is his arm strength. He can’t push the ball more than 20 yards downfield without sacrificing accuracy. He only completed 20% of his passes on such attempts.

 

And it’s not like Fitzpatrick is very accurate on shorter throws either. According to Cian Fahey’s quarterback charting project, 72% of Fitzpatrick passes were thrown accurately, the second worst number in the league.

Having receivers Brandon Marshall and Eric Decker propped up Fitzpatrick’s numbers in a big way. The duo hauled in 26 of his 31 touchdowns. Marshall, in particular, was a big reason for Fitzpatrick’s success. His large catch radius was able to make up for his quarterback’s poor ball placement on many occasions. And Fitzpatrick’s completion percentage (59.6%) still fell way below league average.

Because Fitzpatrick is a veteran and went to Harvard (Did you know he went to Harvard?), we just assume he’s a good decision-maker, in spite of the high interception totals and ill-advised scrambles. Fitzpatrick is actually quite limited in the pocket. He’s closer to a Robert Griffin III than a Tom Brady. When his first option doesn’t get open, Fitzpatrick devolves into an erratic decision-maker.

Fitzpatrick threw only 15 interceptions, but that number doesn’t really capture how reckless he was with the football. Fahey charted Fitzpatrick with 30 “interceptable passes,” second most in the entire league. Only ten of those passes were actually caught by defenders — his five other interceptions were deemed the fault of the receiver. Expect a regression to the mean in 2016.

Fitzpatrick is a career backup who found himself in a great situation. We’ve seen this situation play out before. Most recently in 2013, when Josh McCown put up ridiculous numbers for the Bears, got a nice contract from the Buccaneers and played like the backup he truly was in 2014. The Jets aren’t going to make that same mistake. The team understands it will not be able to pay Fitzpatrick and keep the talented supporting cast that props him up.

Going back to Geno Smith is the more financially sound decision if New York can’t find a cheaper option. Smith is a very flawed quarterback but not much of a downgrade from Fitzpatrick. He’s just as inaccurate and turnover-prone but has a much stronger arm. His 2014 rate stats (completion percentage, yards per attempt, etc.) aren’t far off from what Fitzpatrick was able to produce with a much better team around him. And at 25, Smith has the much higher ceiling.

Even if Fitzpatrick were to come down to the Jets’ price, which is reportedly a shade under $10 million, I’m not so sure it’s worth coughing up the money. Smith is on the books for just $1.59 million in 2016 and might be the better quarterback if given the chance. The Jets offense did just fine when Smith took over for an injured Fitzpatrick during the Raiders game.

With the team already struggling to maintain its defense — the real strength of the roster — those millions it can save by passing on Fitzpatrick are a big deal. Per Spotrac. The team has about $2 million in projected cap room and still needs money to sign its rookie class. For the Jets to clear enough space to give Fitzpatrick even a modest contract, the team would have to make some cost-cutting moves, which could include trading all-pro defensive lineman Muhammad Wilkerson, who is set to make $15.7 million playing under the franchise tag in 2016.

In order to marginally improve the team’s quarterback situation, the team will have to take giant steps backwards elsewhere. And if Fitzpatrick couldn’t get the 2015 roster to the playoffs, why should we expect any different with a weaker team in 2016?

This is a great article and I think what many of us have been saying from simply watching the guy play.  It's just interesting to know that the film and stats back up the idea that he's a very limited QB....and certainly not worth anywhere near $10mm....