Powpow Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Someone here recently described Geno as having a golden arm with a .10 cent brain. Apropos description. NFL history is littered with such QB's. On the converse, there have been numerous QB's with average arms yet exceptional football sense. What has been the success/failure stories of such QB's? Of course this is very subjective. So many factors ingrained into what promotes success/failure with these QB's. It's somewhat difficult to prove but it strongly indicates it takes much more than physical tools to play the position. Just looking at these 2 opposing parameters. My favorite in this category, Bart Starr. The epitome of the polar opposite - Ryan Leaf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainejet Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Absolutely love the idea of Geno being the golden arm and 10 cent brain. But I really don't think Geno's brain is worth 10 cents. You'd really have to start the bidding on Ebay at a penny. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Golden arm is a stretch too. More like nickel painted in an off yellow cost of glitter paint. His arm has never really impressed me. He's not a very accurate passer, no matter how hard or far he can throw it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 3 hours ago, Powpow said: Someone here recently described Geno as having a golden arm with a .10 cent brain. Apropos description. NFL history is littered with such QB's. On the converse, there have been numerous QB's with average arms yet exceptional football sense. What has been the success/failure stories of such QB's? Of course this is very subjective. So many factors ingrained into what promotes success/failure with these QB's. It's somewhat difficult to prove but it strongly indicates it takes much more than physical tools to play the position. Just looking at these 2 opposing parameters. My favorite in this category, Bart Starr. The epitome of the polar opposite - Ryan Leaf. I'm waiting for some young fan to post;But Starr never threw more then 16 td's in a season or passed for 2500 yds..LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 You guys are making this forum soooooo unreadable! lmao. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted May 30, 2016 Author Share Posted May 30, 2016 6 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said: You guys are making this forum soooooo unreadable! lmao. Kind of like beating your Glennon posts to death. I know this thread may force you think which may be beyond your scope of practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Just now, Powpow said: Kind of like beating your Glennon posts to death. I know this thread may force you think which may be beyond your scope of practice. This is true. This is for Harvard grads only! lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted May 30, 2016 Author Share Posted May 30, 2016 Just now, Villain The Foe said: This is true. This is for Harvard grads only! lol. Now you're using your noodle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Just now, Powpow said: Now you're using your noodle. Im slow you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted May 30, 2016 Author Share Posted May 30, 2016 13 minutes ago, Savage69 said: I'm waiting for some young fan to post;But Starr never threw more then 16 td's in a season or passed for 2500 yds..LOL Starr played in a much different era. Wikipedia......he was the quarterback for the Green Bay Packers from 1956 through 1971. Starr is the only quarterback in NFL history to lead a team to five league championships (1961–62, 1965–67), as well as Super Bowls I and II. As the Packers' head coach, he was less successful, compiling a 52–76–3 (.408) record from 1975 through 1983. Starr was named the Most Valuable Player of the first two Super Bowls and earned four Pro Bowl selections. He was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame and the Packers Hall of Fame in 1977. He won the league MVP award in 1966.[1] Starr has the highest playoff passer rating (104.80)[2] of any quarterback in NFL history and a playoff record of 9–1. His career completion percentage of 57.4 was an NFL best when he retired in 1972.[3] Starr also held the Packers' franchise record for games played (196) for 32 years, through the 2003 season.[3] Not bad for a guy drafted in Round 17. Starr had a very average arm yet set NFL records and was Lombardi's General. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted May 30, 2016 Author Share Posted May 30, 2016 18 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said: You guys are making this forum soooooo unreadable! lmao. As soon as Geno is cut it will resume to normal. Now back to the thread please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 3 hours ago, Powpow said: Starr played in a much different era. Not bad for a guy drafted in Round 17. Starr had a very average arm yet set NFL records and was Lombardi's General. I was there watching were you? Yes it was a different era as I have to remind fans when they go after Namath's stats all the time.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 1 minute ago, Powpow said: As soon as Geno is cut it will resume to normal. Now back to the thread please. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lP0hkPDSDM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saul Goodman Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Above average arm. Hackenberg has a rifle, not that I'm advocating for him to start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainejet Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 2 minutes ago, Powpow said: As soon as Geno is cut it will resume to normal. Now back to the thread please. I sense sarcasm in that post, but it's actually quite honest and correct. Many a fan was angered not only by Geno's terrible play but the altercation probably more than anything else. He had his chance and he blew it. It's time to move on and if not for various outside factors Geno probably would have been cut long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted May 30, 2016 Author Share Posted May 30, 2016 11 minutes ago, Saul Goodman said: Above average arm. Hackenberg has a rifle, not that I'm advocating for him to start Hack's an interesting prospect. As a freshman he opened a lot of eyes with his ability to assimilate O'Brien's system. Definitely a big reason why Mac jumped on him in 2nd round despite his troubles in year 2 and 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted May 30, 2016 Author Share Posted May 30, 2016 17 minutes ago, Savage69 said: I was there watching were you? Yes it was a different era as I have to remind fans when they go after Namath's stats all the time.. Yep saw him a few years before SB was invented. He was cool as a cucumber. Called his own plays and had an air about him that was quite unique. True legend. As far as Namath, he doesn't belong in this thread. Rocket arm and high football sense. PS - he also warned us about Geno as soon as he was drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 43 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said: You guys are making this forum soooooo unreadable! lmao. Do you think this debate is having a similar impact in the locker room? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYs Stepchild Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 1 minute ago, Ohio State NY Jets fan said: Do you think this debate is having a similar impact in the locker room? No, I never heard of any players that wanted Geno to start. Even when he got his jaw broken no one was upset about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Starr was Elway next to Griese and his pop gun arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted May 30, 2016 Author Share Posted May 30, 2016 9 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Starr was Elway next to Griese and his pop gun arm. Nice! Despite Griese's pop gun arm, he was a master technician on the field however. He definitely was underrated in the annals of QB's in NFL history. Smooth as silk, didn't make many mistakes and was an exceptional leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 1 hour ago, Savage69 said: I'm waiting for some young fan to post;But Starr never threw more then 16 td's in a season or passed for 2500 yds..LOL He didn't have to. Football wasn't played that way back in those days. It was four yards and a cloud of dust with some screen passes thrown in. Starr won five championships under Lombardi. Can't argue with that kind of success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 17 minutes ago, NYs Stepchild said: No, I never heard of any players that wanted Geno to start. Even when he got his jaw broken no one was upset about it. Me either. More players seemed to be sympathetic to I.K. Enemkpali than Geno. Straight punk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 1 hour ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Golden arm is a stretch too. More like nickel painted in an off yellow cost of glitter paint. His arm has never really impressed me. He's not a very accurate passer, no matter how hard or far he can throw it. Small hands...any of the games in bad weather Geno couldnt grip the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 1 hour ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Golden arm is a stretch too. More like nickel painted in an off yellow cost of glitter paint. His arm has never really impressed me. He's not a very accurate passer, no matter how hard or far he can throw it. Do you prefer Matt Dillon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 3 hours ago, Ex-Rex said: He didn't have to. Football wasn't played that way back in those days. It was four yards and a cloud of dust with some screen passes thrown in. Starr won five championships under Lombardi. Can't argue with that kind of success. That's why Namath passing for 4,000 + yds in 1967 in a 14 game season was a big deal..Also why the AFL in 1960 with their crazy bomb throwing style caught on with so many fans.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Geno, as did Sanchez adheres to the half dozen rule, as in he will look relatively good for large parts of games but will make a half dozen mindnumbingly awful plays at the wrong time of the game in the wrong part of the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted May 30, 2016 Author Share Posted May 30, 2016 4 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Geno, as did Sanchez adheres to the half dozen rule, as in he will look relatively good for large parts of games but will make a half dozen mindnumbingly awful plays at the wrong time of the game in the wrong part of the field. This is why I'm semi ok with the Hack pick. His football IQ is off the charts. It seems to be an indispensable ingredient to being a top flight QB. Guys like Montana, Haden, Brodie were just so smart on the field it made up for their lack of physical skills. Even Unitas didn't have a big arm but is considered by many as the games greatest QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Before anyone goes there, Chad Pennington had both a .10 cent arm and a .10 cent brain. SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 3 hours ago, Ohio State NY Jets fan said: Do you think this debate is having a similar impact in the locker room? I think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 2 hours ago, joewilly12 said: Do you prefer Matt Dillon. lol That's just cold bro! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 19 hours ago, SAR I said: Before anyone goes there, Chad Pennington had both a .10 cent arm and a .10 cent brain. SAR I I prefer to say he had a Kenmore arm and a Kenmore brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no psls Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 19 hours ago, SAR I said: Before anyone goes there, Chad Pennington had both a .10 cent arm and a .10 cent brain. SAR I Pennington was a finalist for a Rhodes scholarship you a$$hole !!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Island Leprechaun Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 22 hours ago, Savage69 said: I was there watching were you? Yes it was a different era as I have to remind fans when they go after Namath's stats all the time.. Me too. Just a kid, but I grew up in Minnesota and we suffered greatly in the years of the great Pack dynasty. Boyd Dollar, Willie McGee, Paul Hornung, Jim Taylor... they were a pretty balanced attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 3 hours ago, no psls said: Pennington was a finalist for a Rhodes scholarship you a$$hole !!!!!!!!! He also went bowling and blew out his arm after 3 surgeries you apologist. "Rhodes Scholarship" means book-smart, not street-smart. Clearly. SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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