Jets1Fan Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 IMHO, Jets brass values Sheldon more than Mo. Thoughts?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Sheldon is 1 infraction away from a suspension Mo is a keeper find the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 It's not Mike Maccagnan that is stopping Mo from signing that outrageous tender of 15.7 million. I don't think Mo wants to be a Jet. I think he harbors deep resentment that his deal didn't get done last year when the Jets had a boatload of cap space. I think it is more Mo wanting out than the Jets not dealing in good faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets1Fan Posted June 3, 2016 Author Share Posted June 3, 2016 Hmm..both very valid and good points. I'm not saying that I agree, I'm merely thinking that the only reason they haven't offered (and what do we really know what he's been offered in terms of a contract extension, but nothing has been reported, from what I know) a fair offer is because they value Sheldon more and the new Bowles regime values Leonard more than Mo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 We actually save money and get an extremely motivated player franchising Wilk this year and next. No rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Big Reason Mo is Still Unsigned - Hackenberg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets1Fan Posted June 3, 2016 Author Share Posted June 3, 2016 5 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Big Reason Mo is Still Unsigned - Hackenberg I'm more confused by your comment than Sanchez during the butt fumble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peekskill68 Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 This situation is frustrating me alot more than the Fitz saga. But what I think I'm learning is that Macc seems to place a value on a particular player and seems pretty constant in holding to that value regardless of what's going on with others in the market. Comparing Mo's value to Watt's deal or Vernon's deal may generate clicks in the media but it doesn't really seem to influence Macc that much. That's why I fear, unfortunately, that we're going to lose Mo to another team who will pay above what Macc has set in his mind as "value". It also makes me think that he won't move very much at all with Fitz. How he "values" Richardson is anyone's guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 23 minutes ago, peekskill68 said: This situation is frustrating me alot more than the Fitz saga. But what I think I'm learning is that Macc seems to place a value on a particular player and seems pretty constant in holding to that value regardless of what's going on with others in the market. Comparing Mo's value to Watt's deal or Vernon's deal may generate clicks in the media but it doesn't really seem to influence Macc that much. That's why I fear, unfortunately, that we're going to lose Mo to another team who will pay above what Macc has set in his mind as "value". It also makes me think that he won't move very much at all with Fitz. How he "values" Richardson is anyone's guess... He knows he has three stud DEs and he'll eventually end up with two. There's no rush deciding given that even franchising Wilk still keeps him under market value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbt Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 47 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Big Reason Mo is Still Unsigned - Hackenberg i agree. wont need a defense with hack throwing for 5000 yards a season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 1 hour ago, Mike135 said: We actually save money and get an extremely motivated player franchising Wilk this year and next. No rush. His franchise tag next year is HUGE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 1 minute ago, pointman said: His franchise tag next year is HUGE. So are the deals going out to lesser DEs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peekskill68 Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 50 minutes ago, Mike135 said: He knows he has three stud DEs and he'll eventually end up with two. There's no rush deciding given that even franchising Wilk still keeps him under market value. I hear you but I'm not sure he would "value" Mo at the same level as some other teams even if he didn't have Sheldon and Williams locked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77DRAFT Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Basically it could be trading Mo for 16m in cap, and we sign a great player with that money, LT, ILB, we can afford the best, make can go to Jarred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 7 minutes ago, peekskill68 said: I hear you but I'm not sure he would "value" Mo at the same level as some other teams even if he didn't have Sheldon and Williams locked up. I'm cool with speculation. Hell ya have to be in order to post in these forums, but that's just too much for me to be able to speculate. Not only what he values Wilk at now, but what he'd value Wilk if we didn't have other players? While in a perfect world it'd be great to have it decided and all three locked up longterm, it doesn't bother me. When the time comes, we'll have at least two great DEs. In 2016 we'll have 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowlesMovement Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 The reason we are not signing Mo is because we need to make sure we have enough cap room to tag Geno after this year if he has a good year. QB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 1 minute ago, BowlesMovement said: The reason we are not signing Mo is because we need to make sure we have enough cap room to tag Geno after this year if he has a good year. QB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DL There could be some truth here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowlesMovement Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Just now, Mike135 said: There could be some truth here. There is more than some truth here son, more than some Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 3 minutes ago, Mike135 said: There could be some truth here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 55 minutes ago, Mike135 said: So are the deals going out to lesser DEs. Because the two things are the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYs Stepchild Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 2 hours ago, Jets1Fan said: IMHO, Jets brass values Sheldon more than Mo. Thoughts?? The reason we're not signing Mo is because the franchise tag does not differentiate between edge rushing DEs and interior 3-4 DEs. In fact they do not take in to account any difference in any position. An inside LB makes the same as an edge. A guard gets the same as a LT. It's really an idiotic oversight in the CBA that needs to be corrected. If we ran a 4-3 Mo would be considered a DT and he would get about 4 mil less for the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 35 minutes ago, BowlesMovement said: The reason we are not signing Mo is because we need to make sure we have enough cap room to tag Geno after this year if he has a good year. QB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DL This team is just dumb enough for this to be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no psls Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Defense wins championships ; just sign Mo already !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowlesMovement Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 46 minutes ago, dbatesman said: This team is just dumb enough for this to be true. Wait, are you suggesting that DL is more important than QB? Please tell me you are not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raideraholic Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 On June 3, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Jets1Fan said: IMHO, Jets brass values Sheldon more than Mo. Thoughts?? Jets drafted his cheaper replacement in the draft- Leonard Williams. Once Leonard Williams was drafted the clock started on Muhammad Wilkerson Jet career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 On 6/3/2016 at 9:14 PM, Ex-Rex said: It's not Mike Maccagnan that is stopping Mo from signing that outrageous tender of 15.7 million. I don't think Mo wants to be a Jet. I think he harbors deep resentment that his deal didn't get done last year when the Jets had a boatload of cap space. I think it is more Mo wanting out than the Jets not dealing in good faith. Im not too sure about this. If Mo feels some type of way about a deal not getting done then why would he interfere with a deal getting down now? The Jets are not going to let him go and he's basically playing on a one year deal now which means that if he has a down season or gets injured again it'll really kill his position next season. I think that if the Jets were offering something that Mo was willing to take then he would take it if his problem was just not getting an offer that he would have considered. I think the Jets dont want to pay him JJ Watt money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 3 hours ago, Villain The Foe said: Im not too sure about this. If Mo feels some type of way about a deal not getting done then why would he interfere with a deal getting down now? The Jets are not going to let him go and he's basically playing on a one year deal now which means that if he has a down season or gets injured again it'll really kill his position next season. I think that if the Jets were offering something that Mo was willing to take then he would take it if his problem was just not getting an offer that he would have considered. I think the Jets dont want to pay him JJ Watt money. Actually Mo is making 1.2 million more the Watt this year who has a base salary of of 10.5 with another 4 million added from bonus and restructuring.. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/j.j.-watt/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 4 minutes ago, Savage69 said: Actually Mo is making 1.2 million more the Watt this year who has a base salary of of 10.5 with another 4 million added from bonus and restructuring.. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/j.j.-watt/ Then why is Mo so upset? Sure, Mo is making more than Watt this year, but being on a one year deal (and you can be cut at anytime) that isnt the same level of security. I doubt that JJ Watt is looking at Wilk's situation and saying "Damn, wish I was him right now". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 3 hours ago, Villain The Foe said: Then why is Mo so upset? Sure, Mo is making more than Watt this year, but being on a one year deal (and you can be cut at anytime) that isnt the same level of security. I doubt that JJ Watt is looking at Wilk's situation and saying "Damn, wish I was him right now". Mo is probably looking for a bigger deal then Watt..After all he's on the fast track to the HOF Watt isn't.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 1 minute ago, Savage69 said: Mo is probably looking for a bigger deal then Watt..After all he's on the fast track to the HOF Watt isn't.. You got me there my friend! lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 On 6/3/2016 at 2:55 PM, Jets1Fan said: IMHO, Jets brass values Sheldon more than Mo. Thoughts?? they found mo's replacement in Williams. they hope to find richardsons replacement in 2 years. so on and so forth. I think the jig is up on finding 3-4 defensive ends in the nfl. you draft the most althletic tackle you can find and plug him in at de. the jets seem to have an eye for this. draft what your good at,pay for what you are not. or something like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 the main reason is probably the olivier vernon deal for just 7.5 sacks, he's about half the player mo is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 2 hours ago, Villain The Foe said: Then why is Mo so upset? Sure, Mo is making more than Watt this year, but being on a one year deal (and you can be cut at anytime) that isnt the same level of security. I doubt that JJ Watt is looking at Wilk's situation and saying "Damn, wish I was him right now". watts deal is crap. he got hosed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 12 minutes ago, Larz said: watts deal is crap. he got hosed Not at the time. During his signing he was the highest paid defensive player in NFL history. I cant say that he got hosed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 15 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said: Not at the time. During his signing he was the highest paid defensive player in NFL history. I cant say that he got hosed. it was about the same as mario williams, just with a little more "real" money. if he hit the open market he would have beaten it by 20%. I think that is mo's plan. I will enjoy mo's last season as a jet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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