kelly Posted July 1, 2016 Author Share Posted July 1, 2016 15 hours ago, PatsFanTX said: Both situations were a result of BB's total arrogance. fyi.. in 2001,..drew bledsoe got hurt... his Back-up came in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long suffering jets fan Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 5 hours ago, Rangers9 said: I don't think that Beli made Parcells. But he sure helped him out a lot and Bill was smart enough to see that. Parcells record was sub .500 without Beli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliforniaJet Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 Bellicheck - busted for cheating Brady - busted for cheating Its all about the cheating. Without it, one would be coaching peewee league and the other a sixth round pick that never made it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 On 6/30/2016 at 6:01 PM, Rangers9 said: Because they didn't have Belichick they had Matt Millen! no b/c they didn't have Brady. we have seen BB w/o Brady and it's not pretty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 On 6/30/2016 at 11:13 PM, long suffering jets fan said: Belichek made Brady, not the other way around. Belichek made Parcells too. Brady made BB as a HC and Parcells won 2 SBs w/o HOF QBs, BB has done nothing w/o the greatest QB of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 4 minutes ago, nyjunc said: Brady made BB as a HC and Parcells won 2 SBs w/o HOF QBs, BB has done nothing w/o the greatest QB of all time. Without Brady going into that system no SBs for him. But SBs for BB. The Cleveland experience doesn't prove a thing. And there were circumstances there with that franchise and he did have one excellent season with the Browns. But no excuses they were under .500 even though they developed some of the best coaching and executive talent in football history. You know guys like Nick Saben, Ozzie N, Ferentz, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 2 minutes ago, Rangers9 said: Without Brady going into that system no SBs for him. But SBs for BB. The Cleveland experience doesn't prove a thing. And there were circumstances there with that franchise and he did have one excellent season with the Browns. But no excuses they were under .500 even though they developed some of the best coaching and executive talent in football history. You know guys like Nick Saben, Ozzie N, Ferentz, etc. w/o Brady BB is a DC somewhere today and never wins a SB as a HC. what about the NE experience w/o Brady? basically 2+ full seasons, under .500, no playoff apps. that doesn't convince you? w/o Brady in NE BB is 15-18 oh now BB developed those guys too ferentz sucks by the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 3 minutes ago, nyjunc said: w/o Brady BB is a DC somewhere today and never wins a SB as a HC. what about the NE experience w/o Brady? basically 2+ full seasons, under .500, no playoff apps. that doesn't convince you? w/o Brady in NE BB is 15-18 oh now BB developed those guys too ferentz sucks by the way I tell you what. There is no consequential proof that Brady wouldn't have won a SB without BB or visa versa. So I kind of reverse my statement on that. That's what I think. Brady would have eventually even with the Lions been an excellent Qb but who knows if any SBs. But to say a person who professionals like Nick Sabin, etc say is a great coach was made by Brady and would be DC without him is against everything that knowledgeable people think and say. It's really bogus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 7 minutes ago, Rangers9 said: I tell you what. There is no consequential proof that Brady wouldn't have won a SB without BB or visa versa. So I kind of reverse my statement on that. That's what I think. Brady would have eventually even with the Lions been an excellent Qb but who knows if any SBs. But to say a person who professionals like Nick Sabin, etc say is a great coach was made by Brady and would be DC without him is against everything that knowledgeable people think and say. It's really bogus. BB is a great football coach, always has been BUT he was NOT a good HEAD football coach. which was why, despite the staff, he failed in Cleveland. Brady stepping in and changing the fortunes of the franchise gave BB time to develop into a great HEAD coach and he is a GREAT Head Coach now and has been for a long time but w/o Brady does he get the time to turn it around? we don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long suffering jets fan Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 On July 5, 2016 at 11:38 AM, nyjunc said: Brady made BB as a HC and Parcells won 2 SBs w/o HOF QBs, BB has done nothing w/o the greatest QB of all time. BB won those rings too plus 4 with the Pats? 6 altogether. Not to mention helped make many teams respectable who had limited talent. Browns, Jets, Pats, etc.. That's why the Pats got him back from the Jets and never looked back. Best coach in the history of the game sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 37 minutes ago, long suffering jets fan said: BB won those rings too plus 4 with the Pats? 6 altogether. Not to mention helped make many teams respectable who had limited talent. Browns, Jets, Pats, etc.. That's why the Pats got him back from the Jets and never looked back. Best coach in the history of the game sadly. we were loaded when he coached here, we didn't have limited talent and his D cost us a SB. NE had talent and he was 5-13 until Brady became QB. Cle had talent and he had 1 playoff app in 5 seasons. as a pure football coach one of the best ever but as a head football coach he hasn't done anything wo Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 15 minutes ago, nyjunc said: we were loaded when he coached here, we didn't have limited talent and his D cost us a SB. NE had talent and he was 5-13 until Brady became QB. Cle had talent and he had 1 playoff app in 5 seasons. as a pure football coach one of the best ever but as a head football coach he hasn't done anything wo Brady. That's not what Jets players said about BB when he was here. They said they had a big advantage with him as our DC. You're attacking the wrong guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 7 minutes ago, Rangers9 said: That's not what Jets players said about BB when he was here. They said they had a big advantage with him as our DC. You're attacking the wrong guy. he was a great DC but his D blew a 10 point lead in the 2nd half of the AFC Championship game just like many of his Ds collapsed late through his years as a DC and HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 as a pure football coach one of the best ever but as a head football coach he hasn't done anything wo Brady. BB drafted and developed Brady. Isn't that what great HC's are suppose to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted July 8, 2016 Author Share Posted July 8, 2016 14 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said: BB drafted and developed Brady. Isn't that what great HC's are suppose to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas2No99 Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Brady would be NOTHING without Belichik. ALL HAIL WILLY WELICZECH!! the NY Jets 1998 & 1999 Defense won the SuperBowl for the Patriots in 2001. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 the NY Jets 1998 & 1999 Defense won the SuperBowl for the Patriots in 2001. Some real funny stuff right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHJF Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 BB coached Matt Cassel to an 11-5 record. MATT CASSEL!! Brady is much more a product of BB, than BB is of Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 3 hours ago, DHJF said: BB coached Matt Cassel to an 11-5 record. MATT CASSEL!! Brady is much more a product of BB, than BB is of Brady. So what? That team was 16-0 the year before and Matt Cassel was a good QB at one point. He made a pro bowl with the Chiefs. Belicheat didn't make the playoffs that year. Rex Ryan also coached a team with Mark Sanchez as the QB to an 11-5 record. MARK SANCHEZ. And beat NE in a playoff game with that same sh*tty QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 On July 5, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Rangers9 said: Without Brady going into that system no SBs for him. But SBs for BB. The Cleveland experience doesn't prove a thing. And there were circumstances there with that franchise and he did have one excellent season with the Browns. But no excuses they were under .500 even though they developed some of the best coaching and executive talent in football history. You know guys like Nick Saben, Ozzie N, Ferentz, etc. How many SBs does Belicheat have without Brady? 0. He also has an under .500 record with Brady. The genius also gave Drew Bledsoe a $100 million contract before the 2001 season. If Mo Lewis doesn't kill Bledsoe, Belicheat is on his way to another sub .500 record and fired after the 2001 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 How many SBs does Belicheat have without Brady? 0. How many Super Bowl's do the Jets have without Namath? Dumb argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 10-12. Think that one in 1969 made them complacent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 2 hours ago, PatsFanTX said: How many Super Bowl's do the Jets have without Namath? Dumb argument. It's a good argument. So is the under .500 without Brady argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost_in_pads02 Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 18 hours ago, detectivekimble said: How many SBs does Belicheat have without Brady? 0. He also has an under .500 record with Brady. The genius also gave Drew Bledsoe a $100 million contract before the 2001 season. If Mo Lewis doesn't kill Bledsoe, Belicheat is on his way to another sub .500 record and fired after the 2001 season. Forgot the SBs ( i think more than one) when he was the defensive coordinator w the Giants... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 It's a good argument. So is the under .500 without Brady argument. Who really gives a crap about something that occurred 20 years ago? What is Knoll's record without Bradshaw or Walsh's record without Montana? Again, real stupid argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 If it weren't for Mo Lewis knocking out Bledsoe early in 2001, Belichick would have been fired at the end of the 2001 season. They were 5-11 in 2000 and started 1-3 in 2001. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 8 hours ago, PatsFanTX said: How many Super Bowl's do the Jets have without Namath? Dumb argument. When did you become a Patriots fan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 When did you become a Patriots fan? 2001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 8 hours ago, PatsFanTX said: Who really gives a crap about something that occurred 20 years ago? What is Knoll's record without Bradshaw or Walsh's record without Montana? Again, real stupid argument. It's not a small sample size. The point is that he'd be a DC somewhere if Mo Lewis hadn't killed Bledsoe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Belichick's head coaching "genius" was magically released upon the world the moment Mo Lewis atmospheric pressure deflated Drew Bledsoe's lung.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 On 7/8/2016 at 2:45 PM, PatsFanTX said: BB drafted and developed Brady. Isn't that what great HC's are suppose to do? no GMs usually draft players and BB drafted him in hopes he could some day be a backup. he struck gold obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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