AFJF Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 Just heard an interview on the way home with Darron Lee. It was a lot of the usual stuff about things being faster in the pro's, staying in the play book, asking veterans tons of questions, blah blah blah. They closed it by asking if he was confident his deal would be done before camp, surprisingly he didn't sound very optimistic/positive. He just said he was comfortable with his position in the negotiations and he was going to keep working out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 Just heard an interview on the way home with Darron Lee. It was a lot of the usual stuff about things being faster in the pro's, staying in the play book, asking veterans tons of questions, blah blah blah. They closed it by asking if he was confident his deal would be done before camp, surprisingly he didn't sound very optimistic/positive. He just said he was comfortable with his position in the negotiations and he was going to keep working out. Am I missing something? I thought all 1st round draft picks have slotted contracts. Did something change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 15 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said: Am I missing something? I thought all 1st round draft picks have slotted contracts. Did something change? Well his mom is his agent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 27 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said: Am I missing something? I thought all 1st round draft picks have slotted contracts. Did something change? They do, my guess is it concerns "off-set" money. His contract will be fully guaranteed, if he gets cut he wants the Jets to pay the fill guarantee, not subtract any money that his new team would be paying him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeacon Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 39 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Well his mom is his agent To this day I will never understand people who mix business with family, it is always a recipe for disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 They do, my guess is it concerns "off-set" money. His contract will be fully guaranteed, if he gets cut he wants the Jets to pay the fill guarantee, not subtract any money that his new team would be paying him. He's a 1st round draft pick. If he gets cut, what team would be rushing to sign him? That makes no sense whatsoever, unless he got advice from Vernon Gholston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 40 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said: He's a 1st round draft pick. If he gets cut, what team would be rushing to sign him? That makes no sense whatsoever, unless he got advice from Vernon Gholston. It is ridiculous. Even Vernon Gholston lasted 4 years. If Lee is cut, than both him and the Jets have bigger issues than "off-set" money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuler82 Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 45 minutes ago, jdeacon said: To this day I will never understand people who mix business with family, it is always a recipe for disaster. His mom is his business manager, not his agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 Only 3 unsigned 1st round picks: 1. QB Jared Goff, Los Angeles Rams: Signed a four-year deal worth $27.9 million over four years with a fifth year option, Rapoport reports, per a source informed of his deal. He gets a $18.6 million signing bonus. 2. QB Carson Wentz, Philadelphia Eagles: Signed four-year, $26.6 million deal. 3. DE Joey Bosa, San Diego Chargers: Not signed. 4. RB Ezekiel Elliott, Dallas Cowboys: Signed four-year, $24.9 million deal. 5. CB Jalen Ramsey, Jacksonville Jaguars: Signed a four-year, $23.3 million deal. 6. OT Ronnie Stanley, Baltimore Ravens: Signed four-year deal. Terms of the deal were not disclosed. 7. DE DeForest Buckner, San Francisco 49ers: Signed four-year deal. Terms of the deal were not disclosed. 8. OT Jack Conklin, Tennessee Titans: Signed a four-year deal. Terms of the deal were not disclosed. 9. LB Leonard Floyd, Chicago Bears: Signed a four-year deal. Terms of the deal were not disclosed. 10. CB Eli Apple, New York Giants: Signed a four-year, $15.1M deal. 11. CB Vernon Hargreaves, Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Signed a four-year deal. Terms of deal were not disclosed. 12. DT Sheldon Rankins, New Orleans Saints: Signed a four-year deal. Terms of deal were not disclosed. 13. OT Laremy Tunsil, Miami Dolphins: Signed a four-year, $12.46M deal. 14. S Karl Joseph, Oakland Raiders: Signed a four-year deal. Terms of the deal were not disclosed. 15. WR Corey Coleman, Cleveland Browns: Signed a four-year deal. Terms not disclosed. 16. OT Taylor Decker, Detroit Lions: Signed a four-year, $10.96 million deal. 17. S Keanu Neal, Atlanta Falcons: Signed a four-year, $10.7M deal. 18. C Ryan Kelly, Indianapolis Colts: Signed a four-year, $10.4M deal. 19. DE Shaq Lawson, Buffalo Bills: Signed a four-year deal. Terms of deal not disclosed. 20. LB Darron Lee, New York Jets: Not signed. 21. WR Will Fuller, Houston Texans: Signed a four-year, $10.2 million deal. 22. WR Josh Doctson, Washington Redskins: Signed a four-year, $10.05M deal. 23. WR Laquon Treadwell, Minnesota Vikings: Signed a four-year deal. Terms not disclosed. 24. CB William Jackson III, Cincinnati Bengals: Signed a four-year deal. Terms not disclosed. 25. CB Artie Burns, Pittsburgh Steelers: Signed a four-year deal. Terms not disclosed. 26. QB Paxton Lynch, Denver Broncos: Signed a four-year deal worth $9.476 million, which includes a $5.09 million signing bonus, NFL Media's Rand Getlin reported, per sources informed of the deal. NFL Media's James Palmer reported that Lynch will receive $600,000 guaranteed in the fourth year of his contract. 27. DT Kenny Clark, Green Bay Packers: Signed a four-year deal. Terms not disclosed. 28. OL Joshua Garnett, San Francisco 49ers: Not signed. 29. DT Robert Nkemdiche, Arizona Cardinals: Signed a four-year, $8.6M deal. 30. DT Vernon Butler, Carolina Panthers: Signed a four-year deal. Terms not disclosed. 31. OT Germain Ifedi, Seattle Seahawks: Signed a four-year, $8.27M deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 It is ridiculous. Even Vernon Gholston lasted 4 years. If Lee is cut, than both him and the Jets have bigger issues than "off-set" money. I agree with you, I just don't understand how off-set money plays into the negotiations. How many 1st round draft picks are cut in their first 4 years, and then signed by another team, looking for compensation from the original contract? Doesn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 Only 3 unsigned 1st round picks: 1. QB Jared Goff, Los Angeles Rams: Signed a four-year deal worth $27.9 million over four years with a fifth year option, Rapoport reports, per a source informed of his deal. He gets a $18.6 million signing bonus. 2. QB Carson Wentz, Philadelphia Eagles: Signed four-year, $26.6 million deal. 3. DE Joey Bosa, San Diego Chargers: Not signed. 4. RB Ezekiel Elliott, Dallas Cowboys: Signed four-year, $24.9 million deal. 5. CB Jalen Ramsey, Jacksonville Jaguars: Signed a four-year, $23.3 million deal. 6. OT Ronnie Stanley, Baltimore Ravens: Signed four-year deal. Terms of the deal were not disclosed. 7. DE DeForest Buckner, San Francisco 49ers: Signed four-year deal. Terms of the deal were not disclosed. 8. OT Jack Conklin, Tennessee Titans: Signed a four-year deal. Terms of the deal were not disclosed. 9. LB Leonard Floyd, Chicago Bears: Signed a four-year deal. Terms of the deal were not disclosed. 10. CB Eli Apple, New York Giants: Signed a four-year, $15.1M deal. 11. CB Vernon Hargreaves, Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Signed a four-year deal. Terms of deal were not disclosed. 12. DT Sheldon Rankins, New Orleans Saints: Signed a four-year deal. Terms of deal were not disclosed. 13. OT Laremy Tunsil, Miami Dolphins: Signed a four-year, $12.46M deal. 14. S Karl Joseph, Oakland Raiders: Signed a four-year deal. Terms of the deal were not disclosed. 15. WR Corey Coleman, Cleveland Browns: Signed a four-year deal. Terms not disclosed. 16. OT Taylor Decker, Detroit Lions: Signed a four-year, $10.96 million deal. 17. S Keanu Neal, Atlanta Falcons: Signed a four-year, $10.7M deal. 18. C Ryan Kelly, Indianapolis Colts: Signed a four-year, $10.4M deal. 19. DE Shaq Lawson, Buffalo Bills: Signed a four-year deal. Terms of deal not disclosed. 20. LB Darron Lee, New York Jets: Not signed. 21. WR Will Fuller, Houston Texans: Signed a four-year, $10.2 million deal. 22. WR Josh Doctson, Washington Redskins: Signed a four-year, $10.05M deal. 23. WR Laquon Treadwell, Minnesota Vikings: Signed a four-year deal. Terms not disclosed. 24. CB William Jackson III, Cincinnati Bengals: Signed a four-year deal. Terms not disclosed. 25. CB Artie Burns, Pittsburgh Steelers: Signed a four-year deal. Terms not disclosed. 26. QB Paxton Lynch, Denver Broncos: Signed a four-year deal worth $9.476 million, which includes a $5.09 million signing bonus, NFL Media's Rand Getlin reported, per sources informed of the deal. NFL Media's James Palmer reported that Lynch will receive $600,000 guaranteed in the fourth year of his contract. 27. DT Kenny Clark, Green Bay Packers: Signed a four-year deal. Terms not disclosed. 28. OL Joshua Garnett, San Francisco 49ers: Not signed. 29. DT Robert Nkemdiche, Arizona Cardinals: Signed a four-year, $8.6M deal. 30. DT Vernon Butler, Carolina Panthers: Signed a four-year deal. Terms not disclosed. 31. OT Germain Ifedi, Seattle Seahawks: Signed a four-year, $8.27M deal. Damn Jets fans. They deleted the Pats 1st round draft pick in that scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas2No99 Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 7 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said: I agree with you, I just don't understand how off-set money plays into the negotiations. How many 1st round draft picks are cut in their first 4 years, and then signed by another team, looking for compensation from the original contract? Doesn't make sense. Dominque Easley - Patriots Aaron Maybin & Mike Williams - Bills Cedric Benson - Bears Off the top of my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Dominque Easley - Patriots Aaron Maybin & Mike Williams - Bills Cedric Benson - Bears Off the top of my head. Gas, you just made my point. Theses guys were cut and how much did the drafting teams pay to the team's that signed these guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas2No99 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 27 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said: Gas, you just made my point. Theses guys were cut and how much did the drafting teams pay to the team's that signed these guy? They paid them nothing. Top pick contracts are fully guaranteed, PAID NO MATTER WHAT, and if the player were to be cut w/in the 4 year window WITH OFFSET LANGUAGE, the Drafting Team gets a credit towards to salary cap WHEN the player signs w/another team. Team that signs the player has no bearing, Team that CUTS the player saves on paying the guaranteed amount NET of what the player earns with new team. So that does give a helping hand with Salary Cap room. I found this: Offset language with regard to future guaranteed salaries provides relief to a club if a player is released before that season and signs with another team. Here's an example: If the Jacksonville Jaguars release a player who is guaranteed $1,000,000 in salary, and he signs with another club and earns $750,000 that season, the Jaguars' obligation to the player would be reduced to $250,000, assuming offset language has been written into the contract. Yet, Off-set may be fading as an issue because of how it's structured and Khalil Mack's is used as an example: Under the 2011 Collective Bargaining Agreement, players drafted have few issues about which to negotiate. For players taken at the top of the process, the biggest sticking point has emerged in connection with the issue of offset language. It’s a simple concept. The contracts at the top of the draft are fully guaranteed. With offset language, a team that cuts a player taken at the top of the draft within the four years of his contract receives a dollar-for-dollar credit if/when he lands with a new team. With no offset language, the player gets to double dip, keeping the money he gets under his rookie contract and pocketing whatever he makes elsewhere. Last year, teams took a hard line (collusion, anyone?) on the offset issue, and the players eventually blinked, in exchange for improved cash flow. Per a source with knowledge of the contract, the first top-10 draft pick who agreed to terms this year — Raiders linebacker Khalil Mack — has offset language in his deal. In return, Mack will get large chunks of his wages in 2015, 2016, and 2017 via guaranteed roster bonuses paid early in training camp. For 2015, it’s $758,955 on the third day of camp. In 2016, it’s $1.517 million. And for 2017, it’s $2.276 million. This indirectly gives Mack the ability to get paid twice by giving him the bulk of his pay well before the roster reduces to 53 players. Of course, the roster bonuses will force the team to make a decision about Mack before training camp in each and every year. It becomes even more important for the Raiders to make a decision before training camp in 2017, when $2.276 million of his $2.966 million in pay for the year becomes due on the third day of training camp. Look for other teams with top-10 picks to once again insist on the use of offset language (collusion, anyone?), with players agreeing to other terms that will get them their cash faster. and then a comment that was left: "I don’t understand why this is an issue. WIthout offset language, a bust will make more money than a pro-bowl player, and the worse a bust is, the more he will make. He is guaranteed x number of dollars his first four years. Why should he get more if he sucks so back the drafting team cut him? Offset language in N/A for any player who plays well enough that he doesn’t get cut by the drafting team. It just doesn’t apply. Any player who insists on not having offset language is basically saying, “I don’t think I can compete and you guys are going to cut me before I finish this contract, so if you cut me because I suck, I want to keep any money I get from my second team PLUS I want you to pay me my entire original contract.” Oh, yeah, and if the second team cuts me, so much the better, ’cause then I can collect from three teams while sucking." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Not a good look for the two Buckeyes who need to get their deals done and get back on the field, Maybe Mom should make them watch that Sparty game again to remind them how to throw away a golden opportunity, especially if they miss any time in camp talking about fine print in a mutli-million dollar deal Eli Apple's Mom: 'You're an unemployed college dropout." sign your contract! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Personally I think one of the holdups with Lee's contract is a situation with a certain QB who thinks he's "all that". We don't have much space under the cap so the front office may want to make all of their "salary adjustments" at one time. Now if we move on from that QB, things become simple. My two cents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYs Stepchild Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 18 minutes ago, KRL said: Personally I think one of the holdups with Lee's contract is a situation with a certain QB who thinks he's "all that". We don't have much space under the cap so the front office may want to make all of their "salary adjustments" at one time. Now if we move on from that QB, things become simple. My two cents He's another one that needs some perspective. Maybe he needs his mom to quit her job and manage him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas2No99 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Jets' Darron Lee 1 of 3 unsigned 2016 draft picks By Dom Cosentino With training camp less than a week away, the Jets and first-round draft pick Darron Lee still don't have a contract agreement. This is unusual: The league's collective bargaining agreement, which kicked in in 2011, mandates four-year contracts for all drafted players, with all salaries and bonuses slotted according to a pay scale. As such, there is little room for bargaining. As Andrew Brandt explained last year in The MMQB: There are very few negotiable items: offset language (the ability for the team to recover guaranteed money if the player is released and signs elsewhere), bonus payment terms, roster bonus allocations and other miscellaneous structural issues. Still, Lee is one of just three 2016 draft picks without a contract. The issue? Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio noted last month that the Top 19 picks in this year's draft received fully guaranteed money for all four years of their deals. The Jets drafted Lee at No. 20. And at No. 22, Washington wideout Josh Doctson has roughly one-third of his fourth-year salary not guaranteed. It would stand to reason, then, that the hang up for Lee--who is slotted to get a deal with a max value of $10.2 million, including a signing bonus of approximately $5.6 million, per per overthecap.com--is related to how much of his fourth-year salary is guaranteed. Chargers defensive end Joey Bosa (selected No. 3 overall) and 49ers guard Joshua Garnett (No. 28) are the only other unsigned picks. Like Lee, Bosa and Garnett are represented by agents from CAA. Lee participated in organized team activities and minicamp even though he didn't have a deal. Training camp holdouts rarely happen for NFL rookies, and Lee has given no indication that he might stay away if a deal can't be completed by the start of camp. The Jets' rookies and veterans are scheduled to report for camp next Wednesday. Dom Cosentino may be reached at dcosentino@njadvancemedia.com. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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