" Window closing for Jets' offense, which could have six 30-and-over starters " ~ ~ ~

[kelly]

The New York Jets open training camp July 27 at their year-round facility in Florham Park, New Jersey. Here's a starting lineup projection :

Offense

Quarterback (Ryan Fitzpatrick): He's not on the roster, but the hunch is that Fitzpatrick will re-sign, sending Geno Smith back to the bench. The clock is ticking, though; the Jets can't hold the starting job for the entire summer.

Running back (Matt Forte): No player in the NFL has more yards from scrimmage than Forte since 2008, his rookie year -- 12,718 yards, the equivalent of seven miles. At 30, he's one of the older backs in the league.

Fullback (Tommy Bohanon): Bohanon, a former seventh-round pick, is part of a dying breed -- a pure fullback. He has only 20 career carries.

Wide receiver (Brandon Marshall): After setting the franchise record for receptions (109) and receiving yards (1,502), Marshall will try to join Jerry Rice, who is the only player in history with a 1,500-yard season at age of 32 or older.

Wide receiver (Eric Decker): This might surprise some folks, but Decker, not Marshall, led the team in two red zone categories -- catches (12) and touchdowns (10).

Wide receiver (Quincy Enunwa): The base offense employs three receivers, so Enunwa will get plenty of playing time as the No. 3. His 22-reception total should grow.

Tight end (Jace Amaro): It's now or never for the second-round draft pick (2014), who missed last season due to shoulder surgery. Amaro, 24, is battling incumbent Kellen Davis, 30, but Amaro offers more as a receiver.

Left tackle (Ryan Clady): It will be weird seeing another player in D'Brickashaw Ferguson's position, but Clady is a good one ... when healthy. Clady, who will be 30 by opening day, has missed 30 of the last 48 games because of injuries.

Left guard (James Carpenter): He came from the Seattle Seahawkslast season and started every game, solidifying a perennial trouble spot on the Jets' O-line.

Center (Nick Mangold): Now that Ferguson has retired, Mangold is the longest-tenured player on the team. At 32, he doesn't move as well as he used to, but his intangibles are invaluable.

Right guard (Brian Winters): Winters, continuing in Willie Colon's old spot, has improved after a couple of rough seasons at the start of his career. This is a contract year.

Right tackle (Breno Giacomini): Giacomini, 30, is coming off a subpar season. He is holding the job until someone else (perhaps Brandon Shell in 2017) is ready to take over.

 

Defense

Defensive end (Muhammad Wilkerson): Thanks to a new contract, the $86 million man will report to camp happy (for a change), if not healthy. He's still rehabbing a broken leg, which might land him on the physically unable to perform list for a short time. Wilkerson was one of only three players last season to record at least 11.5 sacks from the left side of the line.

Defensive end (Sheldon Richardson/Leonard Williams): They'll both play a lot. Richardson is suspended for the regular-season opener because of a personal-conduct violation, but he can practice and play in the preseason. Richardson dropped weight and is highly motivated, looking for a long-term contract. Williams played well as a rookie, but he hasn't come close to his ceiling as a pass-rusher. Look for his sack total (three) to double this season now that he knows how to attack blocking schemes.

Nose tackle (Steve McLendon): He was an underrated run defender for the Pittsburgh Steelers, but know this: He's not Damon Harrison. Only 310 pounds, McLendon isn't a traditional space-eater in the middle. Scheme adjustments might have to be made.

Middle linebacker (David Harris): He's a rarity in today's NFL -- a 32-year-old linebacker who plays every down. Harris, who played more than 900 snaps last season, is the glue for the defense.

Inside linebacker (Erin Henderson): The Jets re-signed Henderson (two years, $4 million) and plugged him into Demario Davis' old position. Look for Henderson to emerge as one of the vocal leaders.

Outside linebacker (Lorenzo Mauldin): He recorded four sacks while playing only 244 snaps as a rookie. The Jets expect big things now that he's starting in the base defense.

Outside linebacker (Jordan Jenkins): Jenkins, a third-round pick from Georgia, got plenty of first-team reps in the offseason, but he's not a lock to start. This is the most unsettled position on the team.

Cornerback (Darrelle Revis): After sitting out the offseason practices, Revis (wrist surgery) should be ready to go, presumably. He's 31 years old and coming off a less-than-stellar season, so he'll face more scrutiny than ever.

Cornerback (Buster Skrine): At 5-foot-9, he's undersized to play every down, but he's the favorite to replace the departed Antonio Cromartie. Skrine will play his familiar slot position when the Jets go to the nickel package.

Safety (Calvin Pryor): If Pryor improves as much as he did last year, the Jets will have a terrific two-way safety. He made two interceptions and delivered several big hits, becoming a tone-setter on defense.

Safety (Marcus Gilchrist): He recorded a career-high three interceptions in his first season with the Jets, but he's not a big playmaker. He emerged as the "quarterback" of the secondary.

Special teams

Kicker (Nick Folk): "Folk Hero," as Rex Ryan used to call him, is returning from a quadriceps injury that cost him the second half of last season. He could be challenged by rookie Ross Martin.

Punter (Lachlan Edwards): The Jets were so desperate to improve their punting game that they used a seventh-round pick on Edwards, who averaged 42.8 yards (gross) at Sam Houston State.

Long-snapper (Tanner Purdum): The most anonymous member of the team just keeps snapping. This will be his seventh season.   

>      http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/61287/window-closing-for-jets-offense-which-could-have-six-30-and-over-starters

[RutgersJetFan]

Been pretty obvious this was the case even last year. The first thing the GM did when he got here was get older.

Regarding the offense, look at the depth chart of this team and there is basically nobody that's going to be here in 2018. Winters maybe, who knows. But this is what happens when you draft nothing but defense for a decade. 

 

[kelly]

With the Jets just about set to begin their 2016 training camp, there are a handful of veterans who figure to be vying for spots on the regular season's 53-man roster. Here's a quick look at three of them :

PK Nick Folk: Folk has been the Jets' kicker since 2010, and he's been pretty consistent--and good--in all that time. But Folk also missed the second half of last season with a quad injury, and the Jets brought in rookie Ross Martin, a solid undrafted free agent out of Duke, to compete with him. Folk and Martin traded some big kicks from big distances during the spring. Keep an eye on whether Martin can continue that push in the summer.

RB Zac Stacy: Stacy only rushed 31 times in eight games last season before breaking his ankle. He was basically the third option behin Chris Ivory and Bilal Powell. But with the Jets having added Matt Forte and Khiry Robinson in addition to retaining Powell, Stacy looks like he could be the odd-man out. And Romar Morris, an undrafted free agent signed after rookie minicamp, also got some reps as a kick returner in the spring. Which means Stacy has quite a battle in front of him.

QB Bryce Petty: As of this writing, the Jets and quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick hadn't yet come to terms on a contract. If that happens, it could spell trouble for Petty, a 2015 fourth-round pick who notably still has a long way to go. With this year's selection ofChristian Hackenberg, plus the presence of Geno Smith and the possible return of Fitzpatrick, it's hard to see the Jets keeping four quarterbacks once the season starts. Which means it could be hard to see how Petty could make the cut.

Long shot

NT Deon Simon: A seventh-round pick in 2015, Simon spent much of last season on the practice squad after getting cut. But he still could earn a spot behind Steve McLendon, and defensive line coach Pepper Johnson had some awfully nice things to say about him during last month's minicamp. "He definitely made a lot of improvement [from] where he was Day 1, when he came in here," Johnson said. 

>  http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2016/07/3_veterans_on_bubble_as_jets_prepare_for_2016_trai.html#incart_river_index

[Mainejet]

The window for the Jets has already closed with this group of players. The offense was horrendously bad up until last season, they never had a franchise QB, but most of all the Jets have leadership. Going forward they will not win a championship because most of the Jets talent base is over the age of 30 and Mac is dragging his feet with adding talent to surround guys like Mo, Revis, Harris, etc. What's even worse is Mac did NOTHING to improve an already sketchy OL. This season everyone will see that this teams window has been closed for some time. In fact, after this season I'd imagine they would at least have to rebuild part of the roster.

[FidelioJet]

The Window was never open.  And won't be until they find a QB.

[bostonmajet]

17 minutes ago, Mainejet said:

Mac is dragging his feet with adding talent to surround guys like Mo, Revis, Harris, etc. What's even worse is Mac did NOTHING to improve an already sketchy OL.

You make is sound like he is just sitting around goofing off. It is not like he has had drafts with 12 picks and decided to pass on them. In fact he has done a pretty good job IMO. This team was seriously lacking talent and had almost no depth a few years ago. And, what talent we did have was getting old. Rebuilding a team takes time, and in 2 years (not complete) he has done a masterful job in rebuilding this team.

When he took over the team, only the DL and the OL had quality talent, and the OL was aging and had holes. Now:

DL is still a major strength; with signing Mo and drafting Leonard, the DL is strong, young, and has decent depth; the loss of snacks is the only real loss, but with some FA signings, this is the heart of the team.

LB had been a joke here except Harris; the starters were old and/or slow. They were so bereft of talent, that one of their DL (Sheldon) had to fill in out of position. Using a 3rd last year and a 1st and a 3rd this year, the LB corp is starting to look young, fresh and promising. Add in a few UDFA and the once weakest link in the D is now going to be a strength; and there is plenty of young promising talent to provide much needed depth and special teams.

WR was in worse shape than LB with only Decker (a 1a or 2) and Kerley; with the trade (a 5th - and a 7th back) for Marshall, and 2nd last year, a 7th this year and a hole slew of UDFA's the WR corp is the strength of the offense. We now have a clear 1 and 2 and there is real competition for spots 3 down. In fact, had these players been here the previous 2 years, they would likely be starters (Geno and Sanchez could have had some real targets).

Add in the signing of Revis, Cro (which didn't work out), Skrine and he rebuilt our awful secondary. He has been drafting and signing here as well.  We don't have a true #2 yet (hopefully Milliner stays healthy and plays well), but that unit is much better than before.

In the OL he signed Carpenter (who played well for us) and have traded for Brick's replacement.  But, he has only had two drafts and not a ton of picks. I would imagine, OL, secondary, and RB will be areas for improvement in the coming years.

Not to mention that we now have competition to replace the gaping hole we had at punter.

All in all, he has done very well. Of course, we need a franchise QB (but all but 10 teams are still looking for one), but as far as building the team around the QB, he has done a pretty terrific job IMO; Do they have miles to go still, hell yes, but dragging his feet, I don't quit think so.

[varjet]

With a competent QB this offense can compete next year.  

Without question they will need to use their substantial cap space and draft picks next year to build up the offense.  The good news is that there really is not any screaming needs to add players on Defense next year, except perhaps a CB (assume that even in Milliner gets it together, he moves on).

[Warfish]

The 2016 Jets are built as a "Win Now" team.  

Any decision the team makes should be viewed through that prism.

There is almost no-one on the starting O I'd expect to still see in Green and White by the time Hack is legitimately ready to start in the NFL.  Amaro, maybe?  Decker, perhaps?

It's why the idea of "just see what we have" seems silly to me.  We're not built for toss-off wasted-year experiments.  We're a high-talent, older roster, playoff-calibur everywhere but QB.

If we play Geno, it better work out, or Macc takes a huge black eye for wasting a playoff-team on a toss-off because he couldn't get a deal done.  Conversely, if Fitz plays and fails, he'll also take a black eye because he didn't get a better QB when options were still available.  It's a lose/lose for Macc sadly.  He only walks out of 2016 looking smart if we make the postseason, anything less is (the way this team is built) a failure.

[Big Blocker]

3 minutes ago, Warfish said:

The 2016 Jets are built as a "Win Now" team.  

Any decision the team makes should be viewed through that prism.

There is almost no-one on the starting O I'd expect to still see in Green and White by the time Hack is legitimately ready to start in the NFL.  Amaro, maybe?  Decker, perhaps?

It's why the idea of "just see what we have" seems silly to me.  We're not built for toss-off wasted-year experiments.  We're a high-talent, older roster, playoff-calibur everywhere but QB.

If we play Geno, it better work out, or Macc takes a huge black eye for wasting a playoff-team on a toss-off because he couldn't get a deal done.  Conversely, if Fitz plays and fails, he'll also take a black eye because he didn't get a better QB when options were still available.  It's a lose/lose for Macc sadly.  He only walks out of 2016 looking smart if we make the postseason, anything less is (the way this team is built) a failure.

I agree, and to hell with the SOS line of thinking.  This team is a win now team.  There were Qb options out there.  Macc has made some good to great moves.  But this team needs to be a success before they have to rebuild.

[ljr]

Curious to hear who you guys thought were these better options at QB we could have been in play for with this "win now" team ?

i recall 2 or 3 vets in the same ballpark as Fitz ... And young kids who haven't shown much yet ... And crazyyy $$$ being tossed out undeservingly to guys like Bradford or Osweiller

[#27TheDominator]

12 starters on offense?  I don't give a **** if they are 50 years old they should be able to compete!

[Rangers9]

This is the year to go for it. We have a pretty good team. If we fail you rebuild starting next season. Some of these guys will be gone and then you'll have your cap space. You worry about this year now. 

[Mainejet]

4 hours ago, bostonmajet said:

You make is sound like he is just sitting around goofing off. It is not like he has had drafts with 12 picks and decided to pass on them. In fact he has done a pretty good job IMO. This team was seriously lacking talent and had almost no depth a few years ago. And, what talent we did have was getting old. Rebuilding a team takes time, and in 2 years (not complete) he has done a masterful job in rebuilding this team.

When he took over the team, only the DL and the OL had quality talent, and the OL was aging and had holes. Now:

DL is still a major strength; with signing Mo and drafting Leonard, the DL is strong, young, and has decent depth; the loss of snacks is the only real loss, but with some FA signings, this is the heart of the team.

LB had been a joke here except Harris; the starters were old and/or slow. They were so bereft of talent, that one of their DL (Sheldon) had to fill in out of position. Using a 3rd last year and a 1st and a 3rd this year, the LB corp is starting to look young, fresh and promising. Add in a few UDFA and the once weakest link in the D is now going to be a strength; and there is plenty of young promising talent to provide much needed depth and special teams.

WR was in worse shape than LB with only Decker (a 1a or 2) and Kerley; with the trade (a 5th - and a 7th back) for Marshall, and 2nd last year, a 7th this year and a hole slew of UDFA's the WR corp is the strength of the offense. We now have a clear 1 and 2 and there is real competition for spots 3 down. In fact, had these players been here the previous 2 years, they would likely be starters (Geno and Sanchez could have had some real targets).

Add in the signing of Revis, Cro (which didn't work out), Skrine and he rebuilt our awful secondary. He has been drafting and signing here as well.  We don't have a true #2 yet (hopefully Milliner stays healthy and plays well), but that unit is much better than before.

In the OL he signed Carpenter (who played well for us) and have traded for Brick's replacement.  But, he has only had two drafts and not a ton of picks. I would imagine, OL, secondary, and RB will be areas for improvement in the coming years.

Not to mention that we now have competition to replace the gaping hole we had at punter.

All in all, he has done very well. Of course, we need a franchise QB (but all but 10 teams are still looking for one), but as far as building the team around the QB, he has done a pretty terrific job IMO; Do they have miles to go still, hell yes, but dragging his feet, I don't quit think so.

I never said he was sitting around and goofing off, but ultimately what he is doing is not improving the team. I figure this team is going to win about 6 games this season. All of the blame for a season like that should fall on Mac. He's the one that put the team together as it is currently comprised.

[Mainejet]

3 hours ago, Warfish said:

The 2016 Jets are built as a "Win Now" team.  

Any decision the team makes should be viewed through that prism.

There is almost no-one on the starting O I'd expect to still see in Green and White by the time Hack is legitimately ready to start in the NFL.  Amaro, maybe?  Decker, perhaps?

It's why the idea of "just see what we have" seems silly to me.  We're not built for toss-off wasted-year experiments.  We're a high-talent, older roster, playoff-calibur everywhere but QB.

If we play Geno, it better work out, or Macc takes a huge black eye for wasting a playoff-team on a toss-off because he couldn't get a deal done.  Conversely, if Fitz plays and fails, he'll also take a black eye because he didn't get a better QB when options were still available.  It's a lose/lose for Macc sadly.  He only walks out of 2016 looking smart if we make the postseason, anything less is (the way this team is built) a failure.

I figure if he signs Fitz and the team still fails Mac would be fine. The fans won't complain about a roster full of potential QB's that are still yet to be seasoned and ready. Because he has loaded up on young talent at QB, the fan base will understand he didn't need to pull a deal to get a veteran in town, he already landed one in Fitz. Mac will likely look even better if he's the one that cuts Geno Smith. I know the fans have been waiting for that to happen for some time now.

[bostonmajet]

12 hours ago, Mainejet said:

I never said he was sitting around and goofing off, but ultimately what he is doing is not improving the team. I figure this team is going to win about 6 games this season. All of the blame for a season like that should fall on Mac. He's the one that put the team together as it is currently comprised.

I said you make it sound like, not that you said it. And, the team, in its current form may not be contenders, but it is significantly better (more talent more depth) than it was when he inherited it. Everyone was talking that it would take 3 years to rebuild the team, he is halfway through and has done an admirable job. Lots more to do to be sure. Not sure I would use the term 'blame'. The 'blame' squarely falls on the shoulders of Idzik and Mike T (although he was trying to hold together another year instead of rebuild).

In 2 years if the team is still in this situation, I would say blame away. 

This team is better in almost every way than last year's team which is significantly better than the previous year's team. The difference in wins may come down to luck and a tougher schedule. We can pick apart any transaction (or two), but most people would agree that he is going a good job.

[Mainejet]

11 minutes ago, bostonmajet said:

I said you make it sound like, not that you said it. And, the team, in its current form may not be contenders, but it is significantly better (more talent more depth) than it was when he inherited it. Everyone was talking that it would take 3 years to rebuild the team, he is halfway through and has done an admirable job. Lots more to do to be sure. Not sure I would use the term 'blame'. The 'blame' squarely falls on the shoulders of Idzik and Mike T (although he was trying to hold together another year instead of rebuild).

In 2 years if the team is still in this situation, I would say blame away. 

This team is better in almost every way than last year's team which is significantly better than the previous year's team. The difference in wins may come down to luck and a tougher schedule. We can pick apart any transaction (or two), but most people would agree that he is going a good job.

You can only say that because we just came off a season where we played probably the easiest schedule in Jets history. We won 10 games against a bunch of bottom feeders - not exactly a great accomplishment. However, most Jets fans, including you, seem to think it is some sort of great feat. It isn't.

Lets see what this team will do against probably about 9 playoff teams this season. The Jets average beating ONE team with a winning record per season over the last two seasons. Now, all of a sudden you think the Jets are going to beat MULTIPLE teams with winning records? I say BS.

Like I posted many times already, this team is not anywhere near as good as most posters here think. I figure they'll win about 6 games this season with Fitz. About 4 games with Geno. They are not a very good team and haven't been for a long time now. I also do not think Mac is doing any good this team. He did a nice job spending 50 million dollars on free agents, but I could have just as easily done that. That's no great feat. Mac SUCKED in the draft this season and I don't see many (probably 2) making any contributions this season. Winning only 6 games will certainly prove that and that is all due to Mac's incompetence.

[slats]

This is one of those years where I hope to see improvement on the field without necessarily seeing improvement in the win column. On paper, they've done some good things. I think the most important thing for our defensive minded coach is how well and quickly the LB overhaul performs. The Jets were just too slow defensively last season. They also need Mauldin and Leo Williams to be beasts in their sophomore seasons. Skrine lined up outside is mismatch after mismatch waiting to happen. Best case scenario, Dee Milliner wins the spot opposite Revis, and manages not to break. 

On offense, the two biggest additions are no sure things. Ryan Clady is a big improvement over the Brick of the last few seasons - if he can stay healthy. And Matt Forte is a dynamic addition provided that he can break thru the age 30 wall. Is he LT or CJ2K?

And of course, no matter what happens when the QB position is settled, it'll be unsettling. Geno has a ton to prove, and probably faces an uphill battle getting the team behind him. And, sorry Fitz fans, but The Beard will be exposed like an unclever Ponzi scheme against real competition. 

If everything breaks right, maybe .500 or a little bit better. Maybe. More likely not quite. But that'll be okay if the defense shows real improvement with some younger players. And it'll be completely awesome if Petty or Hack see some late season action and perform well. 

[bostonmajet]

48 minutes ago, Mainejet said:

You can only say that because we just came off a season where we played probably the easiest schedule in Jets history. We won 10 games against a bunch of bottom feeders - not exactly a great accomplishment. However, most Jets fans, including you, seem to think it is some sort of great feat. It isn't.

Lets see what this team will do against probably about 9 playoff teams this season. The Jets average beating ONE team with a winning record per season over the last two seasons. Now, all of a sudden you think the Jets are going to beat MULTIPLE teams with winning records? I say BS.

Like I posted many times already, this team is not anywhere near as good as most posters here think. I figure they'll win about 6 games this season with Fitz. About 4 games with Geno. They are not a very good team and haven't been for a long time now. I also do not think Mac is doing any good this team. He did a nice job spending 50 million dollars on free agents, but I could have just as easily done that. That's no great feat. Mac SUCKED in the draft this season and I don't see many (probably 2) making any contributions this season. Winning only 6 games will certainly prove that and that is all due to Mac's incompetence.

Actually, I think you are making my point for me. They are a better team now than 2 years ago, they can win only 6 games, but that doesn't mean the team isn't better than it was last year. So, winning only 6 games doesn't make the team worse. This team has been declining in talent for 3 to 4 years before Mac got there. I think (and many agree) that he has done an admirable job rebuilding the team while trying to keep it competative. Any blame needs to go to the previous 2 FOs; if, in 2 years, the team's talent is still below par, I would feel free to blame that on Mac.

We have one of the best DL in the league (much credit on that goes to Idzik and Mike T., but last year we had one of the best WR tandems in the league - that is due to Mac. The secondary is better (that was the spending of the money that Idzik wouldn't) and this year the LB corp seems much improved. It takes a while to build a core with the draft. We are not there yet, but in fairness he should get 3-4 years to be judged as long as the team is going in the right direction - which I think it is.

[Mainejet]

11 minutes ago, bostonmajet said:

Actually, I think you are making my point for me. They are a better team now than 2 years ago, they can win only 6 games, but that doesn't mean the team isn't better than it was last year. So, winning only 6 games doesn't make the team worse. This team has been declining in talent for 3 to 4 years before Mac got there. I think (and many agree) that he has done an admirable job rebuilding the team while trying to keep it competative. Any blame needs to go to the previous 2 FOs; if, in 2 years, the team's talent is still below par, I would feel free to blame that on Mac.

We have one of the best DL in the league (much credit on that goes to Idzik and Mike T., but last year we had one of the best WR tandems in the league - that is due to Mac. The secondary is better (that was the spending of the money that Idzik wouldn't) and this year the LB corp seems much improved. It takes a while to build a core with the draft. We are not there yet, but in fairness he should get 3-4 years to be judged as long as the team is going in the right direction - which I think it is.

You ARE what your record says you are. If we go 6-10 it means we SUCK. It means we are just another sh*t team with a top ten pick. Try and spin this all you want, but 6-10 means you are a pathetic f*cking loser bottom feeder. I will freely admit Mac has done a better job of adding talent than Tanny or Idzik did, but once again that isn't saying anything. And if you go 6-10 it means you added sh*t for talent. It means you did NOTHING right, especially after you won 10 games the prior year, because the expectations always go up, they NEVER go down.

Mac also did NOTHING to aid an OL that was already very sketchy to begin with. The OL will be the area where the Jets start losing many games this season. And NO, I do not think this team is headed in the right direction. I think Mac/Bowles is just another pathetic tandem of Terry Bradway and Herm Edwards quite frankly.

[bostonmajet]

3 minutes ago, Mainejet said:

You ARE what your record says you are. If we go 6-10 it means we SUCK. It means we are just another sh*t team with a top ten pick. Try and spin this all you want, but 6-10 means you are a pathetic f*cking loser bottom feeder. I will freely admit Mac has done a better job of adding talent than Tanny or Idzik did, but once again that isn't saying anything. And if you go 6-10 it means you added sh*t for talent. It means you did NOTHING right, especially after you won 10 games the prior year, because the expectations always go up, they NEVER go down.

Mac also did NOTHING to aid an OL that was already very sketchy to begin with. The OL will be the area where the Jets start losing many games this season. And NO, I do not think this team is headed in the right direction. I think Mac/Bowles is just another pathetic tandem of Terry Bradway and Herm Edwards quite frankly.

I agree - I don't want to be a bad team. The only good thing that can come with 6 wins is a chance at a real QB or LT in the draft - but you don't play the season looking for that. That being said, the only way to become a contender is to build a quality team and coaching staff. This takes time and for the first time in about 4 years, I am happy in the direction this team is going. Now, if next year we are talking like this team is a 6 win team, well, than I think it is fair to crap all over Mac; I am optimistic that we will play hard and maybe break .500 this year. And, as much as I would love for them to win a SB this year, I just don't think it is in the cards.

Next year, however, it is time to stop being optimistic and "just win baby"

I also agree on the OL; I think it is a disaster and much worse than many here think. It is one of the reasons I would like to see Fitz back for another year; Geno holds the ball too long, and the last thing we need is Hack to come in and get beaten up.

Mac has rebuilt the LB, WRs and the CB corp (a bit), but the OL needs to be improved dramatically. But, he can only do so much (especially with young players) in the first 2 years. In my mind the weakest link by far is the OL (last year it was special teams and the LBs - these two components cost us 2 games in my mind). After than it would be RB and secondary.

Yes, he has done little on the OL (Carpenter appears to be a good pick up and hopefully our new LT can stay healthy this year), but he can do only so much each draft. I would call next offseason a failure if he doesn't dramatically improve the OL.

[BroadwayRay]

55 minutes ago, Mainejet said:

You ARE what your record says you are. If we go 6-10 it means we SUCK. It means we are just another sh*t team with a top ten pick. Try and spin this all you want, but 6-10 means you are a pathetic f*cking loser bottom feeder. I will freely admit Mac has done a better job of adding talent than Tanny or Idzik did, but once again that isn't saying anything. And if you go 6-10 it means you added sh*t for talent. It means you did NOTHING right, especially after you won 10 games the prior year, because the expectations always go up, they NEVER go down.

Mac also did NOTHING to aid an OL that was already very sketchy to begin with. The OL will be the area where the Jets start losing many games this season. And NO, I do not think this team is headed in the right direction. I think Mac/Bowles is just another pathetic tandem of Terry Bradway and Herm Edwards quite frankly.

Of course, you say this right after saying the Jets 10-6 record last year didn't mean much. So it's hard to figure out what you really mean. Whatever, the Jets were significantly improved last year from 2014, so it's ridiculous for you or anyone to say that Mac hasn't improved the team in his time here. I say that believing they will not equal their 10-6 record from 2015.

[chirorob]

15 hours ago, Mainejet said:

I never said he was sitting around and goofing off, but ultimately what he is doing is not improving the team. I figure this team is going to win about 6 games this season. All of the blame for a season like that should fall on Mac. He's the one that put the team together as it is currently comprised.

What would you have added at QB?   What stud FA would you have brought in?

[Bleedin Green]

1 hour ago, BroadwayRay said:

Of course, you say this right after saying the Jets 10-6 record last year didn't mean much. So it's hard to figure out what you really mean. Whatever, the Jets were significantly improved last year from 2014, so it's ridiculous for you or anyone to say that Mac hasn't improved the team in his time here. I say that believing they will not equal their 10-6 record from 2015.

Exactly.  There's no better proof of someone being so completely full of sh*t and desperately trying to push an agenda than that person completely contradicting himself in two consecutive posts.  In one moment the 10 wins doesn't really count, but a second later you are only what your record says you are.  So either no one has a right to ramble on with nonsensical bullsh*t if the Jets look to be an improved team this year despite their record, OR it should be conceded they just came off of a quality season in which they were tied as the league's 8th best team with the Packers, Steelers, and Seahawks.  But unfortunately, neither of those would fit his agenda.

[bitonti]

20 hours ago, Warfish said:

It's why the idea of "just see what we have" seems silly to me.  We're not built for toss-off wasted-year experiments.  We're a high-talent, older roster, playoff-calibur everywhere but QB.

If we play Geno, it better work out, or Macc takes a huge black eye for wasting a playoff-team on a toss-off because he couldn't get a deal done.  

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[RutgersJetFan]

20 hours ago, Warfish said:

The 2016 Jets are built as a "Win Now" team.  

Any decision the team makes should be viewed through that prism.

There is almost no-one on the starting O I'd expect to still see in Green and White by the time Hack is legitimately ready to start in the NFL.  Amaro, maybe?  Decker, perhaps?

It's why the idea of "just see what we have" seems silly to me.  We're not built for toss-off wasted-year experiments.  We're a high-talent, older roster, playoff-calibur everywhere but QB.

If we play Geno, it better work out, or Macc takes a huge black eye for wasting a playoff-team on a toss-off because he couldn't get a deal done.  Conversely, if Fitz plays and fails, he'll also take a black eye because he didn't get a better QB when options were still available.  It's a lose/lose for Macc sadly.  He only walks out of 2016 looking smart if we make the postseason, anything less is (the way this team is built) a failure.

Part of me thinks we deserve this. It's been 9 straight years of let's see what the kid can do now that he FINALLY has X and you still get people pushing this bullsh*t narrative. 

[JustInFudge]

It is but it's not as bad as it looks on paper.

RB's are a dime a dozen so whatever to that position.  Probably the easiest positoin to fill on the field.  Powell and Robinson are relatively young too.

Marshall and Decker are plus 30+ sure but nothing about their play shows a decline coming any time soon.  WR's have a long shelf lives, especially with all the new rules changes and the way they take care of their bodies, they could get easy 4 years of solid production out of each.  Besides, they at least addressed that position with Smith and Peake via the draft and Thompkins via FA...and Enunwa is in the mix too. 

TE's are young and sh*tty so whatever. 

The OL is getting older but 30 is not that old for OL.  Long shelf lives as well.  They've taken flies on players, probably need to put a focus here. 

But who cares?  None of it matters without a QB.

 

[Bleedin Green]

6 minutes ago, JiF said:

It is but it's not as bad as it looks on paper.

RB's are a dime a dozen so whatever to that position.  Probably the easiest positoin to fill on the field.  Powell and Robinson are relatively young too.

Marshall and Decker are plus 30+ sure but nothing about their play shows a decline coming any time soon.  WR's have a long shelf lives, especially with all the new rules changes and the way they take care of their bodies, they could get easy 4 years of solid production out of each.  Besides, they at least addressed that position with Smith and Peake via the draft and Thompkins via FA...and Enunwa is in the mix too. 

TE's are young and sh*tty so whatever. 

The OL is getting older but 30 is not that old for OL.  Long shelf lives as well.  They've taken flies on players, probably need to put a focus here. 

But who cares?  None of it matters without a QB.

 

On offense, I would say WR is the one place of legitimate concern for the Jets regarding age, and that is only really Marshall right now (Decker turned 29 this offseason).  On the OL, the one real upcoming age concern could be Mangold and while he's not as good as he once was, that will still likely have more to do with how much longer he wants to play than anything else.  Any other potential needs for replacement have more to do with talent than age.

[JustInFudge]

5 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

On offense, I would say WR is the one place of legitimate concern for the Jets regarding age, and that is only really Marshall right now (Decker turned 29 this offseason).  On the OL, the one real upcoming age concern could be Mangold and while he's not as good as he once was, that will still likely have more to do with how much longer he wants to play than anything else.  Any other potential needs for replacement have more to do with talent than age.

Agreed.  And all it really takes is a few of those mid-to-late guys to figure it out and it all starts to take care of itself.  

NFL teams are always looking to get younger and more talented.  This situation isnt exclusive to the Jets. 

[bostonmajet]

24 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

On offense, I would say WR is the one place of legitimate concern for the Jets regarding age, and that is only really Marshall right now (Decker turned 29 this offseason).  On the OL, the one real upcoming age concern could be Mangold and while he's not as good as he once was, that will still likely have more to do with how much longer he wants to play than anything else.  Any other potential needs for replacement have more to do with talent than age.

I think we are fine at WR - hopefully Marshall's replacement is either on the team or will in the next year or so - as it takes a few years for a WR to click (unless they are drafted in the top 5.

I have to disagree at OL.  There are 5 starters, one is good, but getting up there in age, another is good, but injury prone, one looks to be a keeper for a while (LG), one is just okay, and one sucks. So out of the 5 we are good at 2 for the next few years; one sucks, one is a question mark, and one is just average.

If you are looking purely at age (and breaking down) 2 (or 40%) are getting up there, while 2 (or 40%) are just okay or suck. Not so great..

[Mainejet]

2 hours ago, BroadwayRay said:

Of course, you say this right after saying the Jets 10-6 record last year didn't mean much. So it's hard to figure out what you really mean. Whatever, the Jets were significantly improved last year from 2014, so it's ridiculous for you or anyone to say that Mac hasn't improved the team in his time here. I say that believing they will not equal their 10-6 record from 2015.

I am not contradicting myself at all. 10 wins in 2015 is a winning record, falling short of the playoffs. But I caution people thinking this team is ready for great things when the fact is, they never really had any capability measuring competition in 2015. This season? This season is the true measuring stick. because despite all of you wanting to so desperately trip me up. I will tell you one statement that covers what any objective person to this situation would say:

In order to beat the best, you have to PLAY the best. Last season they did not play the best, not by a long shot. THIS season, on the other hand, is about trying to beat some of the very best teams from last season.

But what I see YOU doing is rearranging your priorities so it's easier for you to accept the Jets failures......

I say that believing they will not equal their 10-6 record from 2015.

This is lame at best. Why not WANT and EXPECT the very best from the team you root for? Or better yet, let me ask you... Do you think it's OK to always finish 17th in the league or worse? because the fact is, I have a major problem with it, and you should to.

[jetscrazey]

Take Brandon Marshall away and the whole offense becomes subpar

[ljr]

On July 22, 2016 at 2:20 PM, bostonmajet said:

I think we are fine at WR - hopefully Marshall's replacement is either on the team or will in the next year or so - as it takes a few years for a WR to click (unless they are drafted in the top 5.

I have to disagree at OL.  There are 5 starters, one is good, but getting up there in age, another is good, but injury prone, one looks to be a keeper for a while (LG), one is just okay, and one sucks. So out of the 5 we are good at 2 for the next few years; one sucks, one is a question mark, and one is just average.

If you are looking purely at age (and breaking down) 2 (or 40%) are getting up there, while 2 (or 40%) are just okay or suck. Not so great..

If I'm reading you right ... You are severely undervaluing Carpenter (or saying looks to be a keeper for awhile .... Then you revert to calling him just average at the end of your paragraph

[bostonmajet]

7 hours ago, ljr said:

If I'm reading you right ... You are severely undervaluing Carpenter (or saying looks to be a keeper for awhile .... Then you revert to calling him just average at the end of your paragraph

No, I think Carpenter was a good signing.

LT - injury prone; LG - Carpenter - looks good and solid; nice addition; C - Mangold getting up there in age; RG - just okay / average; RT sucks (IMO).

[drdetroit]

On July 24, 2016 at 4:28 AM, jetscrazey said:

Take Brandon Marshall away and the whole offense becomes subpar

You can say that about a lot of teams if you take away their best receiver

[drdetroit]

On July 22, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Mainejet said:

I am not contradicting myself at all. 10 wins in 2015 is a winning record, falling short of the playoffs. But I caution people thinking this team is ready for great things when the fact is, they never really had any capability measuring competition in 2015. This season? This season is the true measuring stick. because despite all of you wanting to so desperately trip me up. I will tell you one statement that covers what any objective person to this situation would say:

In order to beat the best, you have to PLAY the best. Last season they did not play the best, not by a long shot. THIS season, on the other hand, is about trying to beat some of the very best teams from last season.

But what I see YOU doing is rearranging your priorities so it's easier for you to accept the Jets failures......

I say that believing they will not equal their 10-6 record from 2015.

This is lame at best. Why not WANT and EXPECT the very best from the team you root for? Or better yet, let me ask you... Do you think it's OK to always finish 17th in the league or worse? because the fact is, I have a major problem with it, and you should to.

They won't equal the 10-6 record

 

They will improve upon it.