Larz Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 a team leak like this means the clock is ticking..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 5 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: it's pretty clear at this point that mccags views geno and fitz as similar in talent, and fitz's real value is sticking around to tutor hackenberg. the 3 year deal is basically a retirement package that fitz doesn't want to admit. "Pretty clear"? lol. The front office and coaching staff have shown in every way that they don't want to have to depend on Geno in the slightest. Talent, as perceived by the fans, means very little if you can't play the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 1 hour ago, jetfan39 said: considering that the Mo deal wasn't seen by anyone, as evidence that everybody said Mo would play under the tag for 2016, does anyone believe that any details of a contract offer will be leaked? consider the source. really good point, if there was a leak it would be on Fitz's side. But the article is written from the team's perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 5 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: "Pretty clear"? lol. The front office and coaching staff have shown in every way that they don't want to have to depend on Geno in the slightest. Talent, as perceived by the fans, means very little if you can't play the position. This is not true at all. if this was true they would have over paid for Fitz. Which so far they haven't. If what you said was true there is no way they would let Fitz sit out there that long where another team could sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Just now, Maxman said: This is not true at all. if this was true they would have over paid for Fitz. Which so far they haven't. If what you said was true there is no way they would let Fitz sit out there that long where another team could sign him. They let him sit this long because they know he has no other options. That doesn't mean they somehow value Geno. It only means Macc is smart and we're lucky to have him as our GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: They let him sit this long because they know he has no other options. That doesn't mean they somehow value Geno. It only means Macc is smart and we're lucky to have him as our GM. Letting him sit out there creates risk. What if he retires? Which means they haven't shown, "in every way" that they don't trust Geno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Just now, Maxman said: Letting him sit out there creates risk. What if he retires? Which means they haven't shown, "in every way" that they don't trust Geno. Fitz has 5 mouths to feed. He ain't retiring until he has nothing left. Can't believe every smokescreen story we read. Both sides were negotiating to the best of their abilities. Fitz had no other "Option B" than to threaten retirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snell41 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 considering that the Mo deal wasn't seen by anyone, as evidence that everybody said Mo would play under the tag for 2016, does anyone believe that any details of a contract offer will be leaked? consider the source. Thank you. We signed Mo, a MUCH bigger story, with nary a peep about it. Mehta is known for making crap up, nationally known lol. Unless Fitz is leaking this info himself to Mehta I'm certain this is all BS. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 17 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: "Pretty clear"? lol. The front office and coaching staff have shown in every way that they don't want to have to depend on Geno in the slightest. Talent, as perceived by the fans, means very little if you can't play the position. It that was truly the case Fitz would have been signed 3 months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 15 minutes ago, Larz said: a team leak like this means the clock is ticking..... Had this article come from a different author, I'd be more likely to believe it. It's well-known that Manish is a bullsh!t artist. That said, if for once he isn't pulling this out of his ass, then I agree with you. This is the team letting Fitz know that time is running out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 27 minutes ago, cant wait said: I'm enjoying your meltdowns but I suggest you get a life. it's starting to get pathetic already Better to say nothing, than go with this hallmark of insecurity as a comeback. Try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Just now, Integrity28 said: Better to say nothing, than go with this hallmark of insecurity as a comeback. Try again. You should listen to your own advice there buddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Just now, cant wait said: You should listen to your own advice there buddy Oof... strike 2. Just awful. And by awful, I mean pathetic, get a life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 3 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: Oof... strike 2. Just awful. And by awful, I mean pathetic, get a life. Damn you fitz worshippers are touchy. Did you shave your "beard" yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 1 minute ago, cant wait said: Damn you fitz worshippers are touchy. Did you shave your "beard" yet? The rally beard thread is almost a year old, and you're still hung up on it... but I'm the touchy one for jabbing at your lame insults? Awful... strike 3. And note, this has nothing to do with the Fitz/Geno thing. It's more about the fact that you are terrible at sh*t talk, and as sensitive as a hug from @Jetsfan80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 3 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: The rally beard thread is almost a year old, and you're still hung up on it... but I'm the touchy one for jabbing at your lame insults? Awful... strike 3. And note, this has nothing to do with the Fitz/Geno thing. It's more about the fact that you are terrible at sh*t talk, and as sensitive as a hug from @Jetsfan80 Sorry but the idea of "sh*t talking" with you is probably the most pathetic, loserish waste of time I can think of. So have a nice day, sweetheart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 32 minutes ago, Maxman said: This is not true at all. if this was true they would have over paid for Fitz. Which so far they haven't. If what you said was true there is no way they would let Fitz sit out there that long where another team could sign him. your quote is pure fantasy. why in the world would the jets "over pay" fitz without any competition? they wouldn't. training camp is not here yet. there is no rush. except for in the eyes of impatient fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 32 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Fitz has 5 mouths to feed. He ain't retiring until he has nothing left. Can't believe every smokescreen story we read. Both sides were negotiating to the best of their abilities. Fitz had no other "Option B" than to threaten retirement. The guy has made well over 30 million in his playing career. I sure hope he's not worried about how many mouths he has to feed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, cant wait said: Sorry but the idea of "sh*t talking" with you is probably the most pathetic, loserish waste of time I can think of. So have a nice day, sweetheart This is the same type of response you got the first strike for. Better to have walked away quietly... I'm trying to teach you here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 40 minutes ago, Maxman said: 7 minutes ago, ylekram said: your quote is pure fantasy. why in the world would the jets "over pay" fitz without any competition? they wouldn't. training camp is not here yet. there is no rush. except for in the eyes of impatient fans they would overpay him to get him in camp. he's not signed 2 days before camp precisely because the jets have not overpaid him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted July 25, 2016 Author Share Posted July 25, 2016 4 hours ago, Rangers9 said: I'd like to know what these multiple offers are and where they get this info from. Then he speculates as to what the Jets could offer or should offer. I don't see much meat on the bones. Just more connect the dots. And of course we see who the author is. A guy who makes things up. You HATE the FACTS and TRUTH its quite evident instead we are supposed to believe the NONSENSE you post day and night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Just now, Augustiniak said: they would overpay him to get him in camp. he's not signed 2 days before camp precisely because the jets have not overpaid him. this is negotiation 101. how in the world does this mean they have faith in geno? every move the jets have made so far states loud and clear their faith in geno.. these lame statements " the jets have faith in geno or else they would have over paid for fitz months ago" are just that. lame statements with no truth to them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 47 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Fitz has 5 mouths to feed. He ain't retiring until he has nothing left. Can't believe every smokescreen story we read. Both sides were negotiating to the best of their abilities. Fitz had no other "Option B" than to threaten retirement. Still, the Jets were fine taking a risk here. Which means that at some level they were prepared to go with Geno. Otherwise they wouldn't have taken any risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted July 25, 2016 Author Share Posted July 25, 2016 1 hour ago, EM31 said: "Undisputed" ? LOL.... Hasn't the writer heard about Joewille or Cant Wait or Villain? Sad actually that the NY Jets consider Ryan Fitzpatrick their undisputed leader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Just now, ylekram said: this is negotiation 101. how in the world does this mean they have faith in geno? every move the jets have made so far states loud and clear their faith in geno.. these lame statements " the jets have faith in geno or else they would have over paid for fitz months ago" are just that. lame statements with no truth to them i never wrote they have faith in geno. i wrote the gm values them the same. i think they have the same amount of faith, which isn't that much b/c they didn't offer fitz a lot to return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 1 minute ago, joewilly12 said: You HATE the FACTS and TRUTH its quite evident instead we are supposed to believe the BULLsh*t NONSENSE you post day and night. manish talks sh*t about geno = lies manish talks sh*t about fitz = truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, ylekram said: this is negotiation 101. how in the world does this mean they have faith in geno? every move the jets have made so far states loud and clear their faith in geno.. these lame statements " the jets have faith in geno or else they would have over paid for fitz months ago" are just that. lame statements with no truth to them There is truth to them because the Jets are taking a risk by playing hardball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Just now, Maxman said: Still, the Jets were fine taking a risk here. Which means that at some level they were prepared to go with Geno. Otherwise they wouldn't have taken any risk. Have to factor in how close we've been scraping against the cap, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 17 minutes ago, ylekram said: your quote is pure fantasy. why in the world would the jets "over pay" fitz without any competition? they wouldn't. training camp is not here yet. there is no rush. except for in the eyes of impatient fans The quote isn't pure fantasy. Why do the Jets have no competition? Because they didn't overpay Fitz originally and every other team in the league passed on him. The risk in leaving him out there is another QB could have sustained an injury during OTAs and a job opened up. The Jets were willing to take that risk....which means that at some level, they are okay going with Geno. I did not make a "fantasy" statement saying the Jets have full faith. Just answered 80's post which said every move this offseason says they have no faith in Geno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 35 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: Oof... strike 2. Just awful. And by awful, I mean pathetic, get a life. 31 minutes ago, cant wait said: Damn you fitz worshippers are touchy. Did you shave your "beard" yet? Walk away boys. Use the ignore feature if you have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Just now, Maxman said: The quote isn't pure fantasy. Why do the Jets have no competition? Because they didn't overpay Fitz originally and every other team in the league passed on him. The risk in leaving him out there is another QB could have sustained an injury during OTAs and a job opened up. The Jets were willing to take that risk....which means that at some level, they are okay going with Geno. I did not make a "fantasy" statement saying the Jets have full faith. Just answered 80's post which said every move this offseason says they have no faith in Geno. that's the real risk for the jets, that another team gets a bad injury and fitz is signed by them - but it would be surprising if it's for more money than the jets are offering. the interesting thing that could unfold is if geno starts off camp and looks good. then we'll see how badly fitz wants to return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 5 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Have to factor in how close we've been scraping against the cap, as well. No you don't because if every move this offseason showed they didn't trust Geno, like you said, they would have reworked contracts to get Fitz signed. They didn't do that. So again, at some level they took a risk that Geno might be the starting QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 5 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: i never wrote they have faith in geno. i wrote the gm values them the same. i think they have the same amount of faith, which isn't that much b/c they didn't offer fitz a lot to return. ya. multiple contracts on the table, one of which could be worth 36m, named fitz the starter in January, and showed little interest in any other available qb during the off season is proof enough for me that they value geno and fitz the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 1 minute ago, Maxman said: No you don't because if every move this offseason showed they didn't trust Geno, like you said, they would have reworked contracts to get Fitz signed. They didn't do that. So again, at some level they took a risk that Geno might be the starting QB. at first i never thought fitz would remain unsigned by now. but at this point you have to assume they thought at the minicamps this spring that he's probably as good (or bad) as fitz so it didn't make sense to go all out to re-sign fitz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 1 minute ago, ylekram said: ya. multiple contracts on the table, one of which could be worth 36m, named fitz the starter in January, and showed little interest in any other available qb during the off season is proof enough for me that they value geno and fitz the same if the jets really wanted fitz to return they would have offered what the rest of the nfl is paying average qbs. the jets didn't come close to that amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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