Fitzpatrick and Strength of Schedule

[Big Blocker]

25 minutes ago, slats said:

His last two seasons have been his best statistically, and have also come against remarkably easy schedules. Fitz fans want to see a QB who has turned the corner after bouncing around a quarter of the league, detractors see a guy who put up decent numbers against weak teams. 

In no way, shape, or form am I calling this the ultimate analysis, just trying to give some context to not one, but two seasons in a row against surprisingly easy schedules. Two years in a row where he put up decent numbers, but won against bad teams and generally lost to good ones. In the Texans' case, two of their three wins against teams with winning records came when Fitz was out of the lineup. Despite the fact that he was actually having his best season ever, his coach benched him before trading him for a conditional 7th rounder. And some people here think 3/$24M is an unfair offer to this guy. 

Again, two of three games two years ago is too small a sample to make the point you think you are making, and the other point is average teams tend to reach an average record by beating weaker teams on average, and losing to better teams on average. 

The situation where O'Brien played Mallet, a player who had played for him in NE and who O'Brien had brought to the team, presumably with a perception of potential upside with a younger player, was the context you left out.  That and that one should hardly consider the Houston Texans one of the better run teams in the NFL.  Fitzpatrick showed he was worth more than what the Texans got for him, to any fair minded person.  So they made a mistake.  Their decision to trade him does not say what you imply it says.

[Awesumtenor]

54 minutes ago, Rangers9 said:

Well Brady had a similar schedule last year and nobody questions them winning 12 games. And some of those games were pretty close. And as one poster yesterday pointed out what do you base SOS on. At the beginning of 2015 we were rated at something like 18th in terms of SOS. And things changed during the year. That could end up  being the same thing this year we don't know who's going to be good or bad. Hopefully we'll be good. Yeah, I do think with Fitz we are more competitive and have a better chance at making the playoffs. Bottom feeder. I don't believe the Jets players and coaches feel that way. It's a very negative term. And shows extreme pessimism. Again it's data mining for negatives about one player. You can do it for anyone. Plus no mention of any of the positives. It's one-sided for sure. On purpose. 

Of course... anyone can see, based on all the MVPs and Super Bowl rings Fitz has playing essentially the same schedule as Brady that they should be judged by the same criteria...

[Villain The Foe]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

So what?  We know all this.  We're talking about an organization that once paid Chad Pennington $64M.  Along comes Fitzpatrick.  We know he struggles against strong defenses like Pennington, which is really the only similarity.  Unlike Pennington, he did not cost us a 1st round pick (Fitz cost us a 7th rounder), won't ever cost us that kind of money, has better arm strength (insert noodle arm jokes), running ability, and "moxie"/toughness, and is far more likable. 

Fitz also does not give us false hope like Pennington once did.  We AND the organization are well aware of what he is and what he is not.  So really, the constant new threads and complaints are stupid.  Everyone is on the same page. 

Chad Pennington made the playoffs. Chad Pennington is the only QB other than Tom Brady to win the AFC East division the past 16 years (Chad did it twice with 2 different teams), Chad Pennington won playoff games, Chad Pennington has one of the most impressive playoff victory's in Jets history under his belt, blowing the doors off of Peyton Manning's Colts 41-0. Chad Pennington took the Jets to the playoffs during 3 different seasons. Chad Pennington deserved that $64 million contract. What happened to Chad was injuries to his throwing arm, not his repeated failure at beating average teams. 

Fitz is the definition of false hope. Fitz has never won a division, never took a team to the playoffs, has no playoff wins because he's never been there, has one winning season in 11 total seasons. 

Comparing Fitz to Geno and liking Fitz is understandable, comparing Fitz to Chad Pennington is just ridiculous. Fitz has played for 6 different teams and took none of them to the playoffs, Chad played for 2 different teams and not only took both teams to the playoffs but also won division titles with those teams. 

 

Ryan Fitzpatrick isnt on Chad Pennington's level. Please dont go there. 

 

[ylekram]

1 hour ago, slats said:

Decided to make this its own thread. I came up with these numbers very simply, giving Fitz won/loss credit for the games he appeared in with the Texans in 2014 vs. the ones he didn't. Feel free to parse it further. 

We've spoken a lot about the Jets easy schedule last year, and that's been countered with how well Fitzpatrick performed the year before with the Texans - when he faced an even easier schedule! He was 6-6 against a .437 winning percentage schedule. Teams he actually beat? A winning percentage of .240. Ironically, the only team he beat that year who had a winning record were the 9-7 Buffalo Bills.

The Texans overall were 9-7 that year, going 3-1 without Fitz in the lineup, beating the 10-5-1 Bengals, and the 10-6 Ravens along the way. 

This guy beats bottom feeders. It's what he does. He takes what he's given, and nothing more. I understand hating Geno, but the idea that Fitzpatrick is potentially a postseason/championship QB is ridiculous. 

in 2014(Texans) and 2015(jets), when opposing teams were held to 20 points or less, ryan fitzpatricks numbers are 14 wins and 1 loss. the one loss coming in overtime @dallas(17-20). when opposing teams score 21 or more points, Fitzpatrick is 2-9. I think this is more telling than some silly strength of schedule argument, especially going into 2016 where it is impossible to figure out just how hard the schedule is. ryan fitzpatricks number is 20 points. admittedly, not the greatest number, but it is his number. the jets hold opposing offences to 20 points or less, Fitzpatrick easily wins the game. the jets allow opposing offenses to score 21 points or more, Fitzpatrick most likely loses the game.

[Jetsplayer21]

1 hour ago, AFJF said:

What about he feeling that he's a competent QB and ideal mentor for the two guys this FO has drafted?  That may have more value than his performance on the field when all is said and done.

Jets finally have a FO that's prioritizing drafting and developing QBs.  

No complaints here.

You think he is actually going to help these guys after this ? If he comes back and signs the deal, he isn't going to be happy.. He is going to play out this yr and want to move on probably next.. A lot of vets don't like helping the young guys who are there to replace them obviously.. Especially if they aren't getting paid what they wanted..

[slats]

9 minutes ago, Big Blocker said:

Again, two of three games two years ago is too small a sample to make the point you think you are making, and the other point is average teams tend to reach an average record by beating weaker teams on average, and losing to better teams on average. 

The situation where O'Brien played Mallet, a player who had played for him in NE and who O'Brien had brought to the team, presumably with a perception of potential upside with a younger player, was the context you left out.  That and that one should hardly consider the Houston Texans one of the better run teams in the NFL.  Fitzpatrick showed he was worth more than what the Texans got for him, to any fair minded person.  So they made a mistake.  Their decision to trade him does not say what you imply it says.

We're talking here about a QB who has started games for six other teams, five of which saw enough and sought to upgrade him ASAP. Even the Jets, with an offer on the table, have already drafted what they hope is his sooner rather than later replacement. Have to see how the Texans fare with Osweiler before I determine whether or not they made a mistake. 

[joewilly12]

1 hour ago, AFJF said:

All of this, and the Jets still prefer Fitz.

What does that say about their feelings on Geno?

 

What does it say about the organization thats been searching for a QB since Joe Namath left. 

[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, whodeawhodat said:

In a league of parity since the salary cap, he should have won 11 games last season.  since he didn't, he is crap.  got it.  when is camp?

Why is ok to just say Geno sucks but to dig into Fitzs numbers, raw numbers as Slats just did, Fitzs numbers, if they disprove the Conquering hero nonsense people get shltty with the messenger.  We have dumbass Jet fans digging into Curtis Martins numbers to make him less than a HOF player but Fitzs actual numbers are off limits.

Got it 

[slats]

3 minutes ago, ylekram said:

in 2014(Texans) and 2015(jets), when opposing teams were held to 20 points or less, ryan fitzpatricks numbers are 14 wins and 1 loss. the one loss coming in overtime @dallas(17-20). when opposing teams score 21 or more points, Fitzpatrick is 2-9. I think this is more telling than some silly strength of schedule argument, especially going into 2016 where it is impossible to figure out just how hard the schedule is. ryan fitzpatricks number is 20 points. admittedly, not the greatest number, but it is his number. the jets hold opposing offences to 20 points or less, Fitzpatrick easily wins the game. the jets allow opposing offenses to score 21 points or more, Fitzpatrick most likely loses the game.

Okay, so then I hope you'll indulge me when I suggest that teams that win more games than they lose are more likely to score more than 20 points a game, and that, therefore, your argument and mine are intertwined. 

Fitz' success has come against very weak competition the last two years. This schedule -on paper- looks like one of the hardest ones in the league. May not shake out that way, but it's highly unlikely to be one of the easiest in the league again. And should the Jets somehow make the playoffs, they won't be playing losing teams in the postseason, either. Or rather, teams that will be easy to keep below the 20 point threshold. 

[bealeb319]

Fitz is the safer qb geno has a higher ceiling....I feel like we are beating a dead horse at this point. This topic last have been discussed a thousand times already.

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[Jetsfan80]

13 minutes ago, slats said:

We're talking here about a QB who has started games for six other teams, five of which saw enough and sought to upgrade him ASAP. Even the Jets, with an offer on the table, have already drafted what they hope is his sooner rather than later replacement. Have to see how the Texans fare with Osweiler before I determine whether or not they made a mistake. 

Everyone wants to upgrade from a Ryan Fitzpatrick.  He's basically a "replacement level" QB.  But he still keeps finding work as a starter, which is important.  The difference being that you would have expected Fitz to be a career backup if what everyone continues to say about him is true.  But that hasn't been the case, because it's actually not all that easy to upgrade on a "replacement level" guy, and more likely, you're going to end up with a guy who is worse.

No, not every team who let go of Fitz was "stupid" to do so necessarily, but its clearly been harder to upgrade him than those teams thought it would be.  The Bengals already were invested in Carson Palmer when they let go of Fitzpatrick after 2008, the first time Fitz had a stretch as a starter.  The Bills let go of him after firing Chan Gailey, and went with the likes of EJ Manuel, Thad Lewis and Kyle Orton for 2 years before Rex brought in Tyrod Taylor (who I'm fairly sure will eventually falter given Rex's track record with QB's).  The Titans had to bottom out to finally get a Mariota after 1.5 years of a failed Jake Locker project and Zach Mettenberger.   And not for nothing, the Texans haven't had a great track record with QB's.  They ruined David Carr.  They got one Pro Bowl season out of Schaub before he went into a tailspin.  They gave away Fitz for a 7th rounder, when choosing him over the likes of Brian Hoyer and Ryan Mallet would clearly have been the better decision. 

Hopefully the situation will be different for us; hopefully the Hackenberg/Petty duo represents our future at the position.  But the odds suggest we're going to flounder a bit at the QB position until we know for sure we have "our guy".  So Fitz is a nice bridge until we figure that out.

[ylekram]

Just now, slats said:

Okay, so then I hope you'll indulge me when I suggest that teams that win more games than they lose are more likely to score more than 20 points a game, and that, therefore, your argument and mine are intertwined. 

Fitz' success has come against very weak competition the last two years. This schedule -on paper- looks like one of the hardest ones in the league. May not shake out that way, but it's highly unlikely to be one of the easiest in the league again. And should the Jets somehow make the playoffs, they won't be playing losing teams in the postseason, either. Or rather, teams that will be easy to keep below the 20 point threshold. 

I am not suggesting that Fitzpatrick is a great qb or even a good qb. he is an average, adequate qb. all I am suggesting is that you know exactly what to expect from him. his number is 20 points and that is rock solid. add that to the fact that he doesnt turn the ball over that much(lately). obviously you can see the appeal of Fitzpatrick from the jets brass point of view, especially with a defensive minded coach. I think this way is a better judge of what kind of qb Fitzpatrick is as opposed to the strength of schedule argument.

[slats]

2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Everyone wants to upgrade from a Ryan Fitzpatrick.  He's basically a "replacement level" QB.  But he still keeps finding work as a starter, which is important.  The difference being that you would have expected Fitz to be a career backup if what everyone continues to say about him is true.  But that hasn't been the case. 

And not for nothing, the Texans haven't had a great track record with QB's.  They ruined David Carr.  They got one Pro Bowl season out of Schaub before he went into a tailspin.  They gave away Fitz for a 7th rounder, when choosing him over the likes of Brian Hoyer and Ryan Mallet would clearly have been the better decision. 

No, not every team who let go of Fitz was "stupid" to do so necessarily, but its clearly been harder to upgrade him than those teams thought it would be.  The Bengals already were invested in Carson Palmer when they let go of Fitzpatrick after 2008, the first time Fitz had a stretch as a starter.  The Bills let go of him after firing Chan Gailey, and went with the likes of EJ Manuel, Thad Lewis and Kyle Orton for 2 years before Rex brought in Tyrod Taylor.  The Titans had to bottom out to finally get a Mariota after 1.5 years of a failed Jake Locker project and Zach Mettenberger. 

Hopefully the situation will be different for us; hopefully the Hackenberg/Petty duo represents our future at the position.  But the odds suggest we're going to flounder a bit at the QB position until we know for sure we have "our guy".  So Fitz is a nice bridge until we figure that out.

Lol, no he doesn't. He finds work as a backup, the starter gets hurt, and then he starts. On the six teams he's played for, only one (up 'til now) has ever given him a contract to be a starter. 

[Jetsfan80]

7 minutes ago, slats said:

Lol, no he doesn't. He finds work as a backup, the starter gets hurt, and then he starts. On the six teams he's played for, only one (up 'til now) has ever given him a contract to be a starter. 

Ryan Fitzpatrick was Houston's starter for Weeks 1-9 in 2014, then again from Weeks 12-14 before he hurt his leg.  Only when he got hurt did the likes of Case Keenum, Ryan Mallett and Tom Savage get their shots.

[AFJF]

23 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

You think he is actually going to help these guys after this ? If he comes back and signs the deal, he isn't going to be happy.. He is going to play out this yr and want to move on probably next.. A lot of vets don't like helping the young guys who are there to replace them obviously.. Especially if they aren't getting paid what they wanted..

That's based on nothing but a guess on your part.

I think he's a pro and will conduct himself like one when he returns.

[AFJF]

13 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Everyone wants to upgrade from a Ryan Fitzpatrick.  He's basically a "replacement level" QB.  But he still keeps finding work as a starter, which is important.  The difference being that you would have expected Fitz to be a career backup if what everyone continues to say about him is true.  But that hasn't been the case, because it's actually not all that easy to upgrade on a "replacement level" guy, and more likely, you're going to end up with a guy who is worse.

No, not every team who let go of Fitz was "stupid" to do so necessarily, but its clearly been harder to upgrade him than those teams thought it would be.  The Bengals already were invested in Carson Palmer when they let go of Fitzpatrick after 2008, the first time Fitz had a stretch as a starter.  The Bills let go of him after firing Chan Gailey, and went with the likes of EJ Manuel, Thad Lewis and Kyle Orton for 2 years before Rex brought in Tyrod Taylor (who I'm fairly sure will eventually falter given Rex's track record with QB's).  The Titans had to bottom out to finally get a Mariota after 1.5 years of a failed Jake Locker project and Zach Mettenberger.   And not for nothing, the Texans haven't had a great track record with QB's.  They ruined David Carr.  They got one Pro Bowl season out of Schaub before he went into a tailspin.  They gave away Fitz for a 7th rounder, when choosing him over the likes of Brian Hoyer and Ryan Mallet would clearly have been the better decision. 

Hopefully the situation will be different for us; hopefully the Hackenberg/Petty duo represents our future at the position.  But the odds suggest we're going to flounder a bit at the QB position until we know for sure we have "our guy".  So Fitz is a nice bridge until we figure that out.

Didn't the Bills try to replace Fitz with the great JP Loshman?

[Jetsfan80]

3 minutes ago, AFJF said:

Didn't the Bills try to replace Fitz with the great JP Loshman?

No, the other way around.  Losman was drafted in 2004.  His contract expired after 2008 and they signed Fitz that offseason.  They also drafted Trent Edwards in 2007. 

Basically the Bills have sucked at picking their QB's for over a decade, and their only decent production at the position since Bledsoe have been Fitz and Tyrod Taylor.

[slats]

3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Ryan Fitzpatrick was the Week 1 starter for Houston in 2015.

Fitzpatrick was acquired before they traded Schaub, so he signed -at best- to compete for a starting job. Then he beat out the likes of Case Keenum, T.J. Yates, and Tom Savage. Mallet got up to speed, and sat Fitz back down. Then traded him for a conditional 7th rounder. Quite the story. 

[Jetsfan80]

Just now, slats said:

Fitzpatrick was acquired before they traded Schaub, so he signed -at best- to compete for a starting job. Then he beat out the likes of Case Keenum, T.J. Yates, and Tom Savage. Mallet got up to speed, and sat Fitz back down. Then traded him for a conditional 7th rounder. Quite the story. 

I accept your apology. 

[slats]

2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

I accept your apology. 

If this is a starter's contract, sign me up. 

Texans sign Ryan Fitzpatrick

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In a transaction that appears to make Matt Schaub more expendable, the Houston Texans have signed quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick to a two-year contract, the team announced Thursday.

The deal is worth $7.25 million and includes $4 million in guaranteed money, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Caplan.

A former starter with the Buffalo Bills, Fitzpatrick spent last season with the Tennessee Titans as the replacement for Jake Locker when he was injured, starting nine games and going 217 of 350 for 2,454 yards with 14 touchdown passes and 12 interceptions.

Fitzpatrick, who signed a two-year contract with the Titans last March, was released last week when Tennessee signed Charlie Whitehurst.

Fitzpatrick, 31, has thrown for 16,790 yards, 106 touchdowns and 93 interceptions in 85 career games.

Schaub struggled for the Texans last season, throwing 14 interceptions before losing his starting job to Case Keenum.

[AFJF]

5 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

No, the other way around.  Losman was drafted in 2004.  His contract expired after 2008 and they signed Fitz that offseason.  They also drafted Trent Edwards in 2007. 

Basically the Bills have sucked at picking their QB's for over a decade, and their only decent production at the position since Bledsoe have been Fitz and Tyrod Taylor.

Edwards...I forgot about him, but remembered them getting somebody who was going to be an upgrade from Fitz at some point.

[ylekram]

23 minutes ago, slats said:

Okay, so then I hope you'll indulge me when I suggest that teams that win more games than they lose are more likely to score more than 20 points a game, and that, therefore, your argument and mine are intertwined. 

Fitz' success has come against very weak competition the last two years. This schedule -on paper- looks like one of the hardest ones in the league. May not shake out that way, but it's highly unlikely to be one of the easiest in the league again. And should the Jets somehow make the playoffs, they won't be playing losing teams in the postseason, either. Or rather, teams that will be easy to keep below the 20 point threshold. 

also, keep in mind that all of fitzpatricks 5 losses last year, all were 1 score losses. ok. the schedule was easy as schedules are concerned. out of the 15 games Fitzpatrick played, he won 2/3's of them and the 5 he lost were 1 score losses. that's pretty competitive and very consistant

[Brand New Jet]

40 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Chad Pennington made the playoffs. Chad Pennington is the only QB other than Tom Brady to win the AFC East division the past 16 years (Chad did it twice with 2 different teams), Chad Pennington won playoff games, Chad Pennington has one of the most impressive playoff victory's in Jets history under his belt, blowing the doors off of Peyton Manning's Colts 41-0. Chad Pennington took the Jets to the playoffs during 3 different seasons. Chad Pennington deserved that $64 million contract. What happened to Chad was injuries to his throwing arm, not his repeated failure at beating average teams. 

Fitz is the definition of false hope. Fitz has never won a division, never took a team to the playoffs, has no playoff wins because he's never been there, has one winning season in 11 total seasons. 

Comparing Fitz to Geno and liking Fitz is understandable, comparing Fitz to Chad Pennington is just ridiculous. Fitz has played for 6 different teams and took none of them to the playoffs, Chad played for 2 different teams and not only took both teams to the playoffs but also won division titles with those teams. 

 

Ryan Fitzpatrick isnt on Chad Pennington's level. Please dont go there. 

 

I'm impartial on this whole Geno vs Fitz debate.  I simply dont want the Jets to have a losing season.    But I have to agree with you there.   Some people are acting like Fitz is the second coming of Brady or compare to a top notch starting QB that's gotten his team to the playoffs on multiple seasons.    I couldnt believe that I read Fitz was compared to Pennington in terms of what he cost the team.    My mind was like dont even go there.  I'm glad you had the proper response for what I was thinking.

[Bleedin Green]

3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

No, the other way around.  Losman was drafted in 2004.  His contract expired after 2008 and they signed Fitz that offseason.  They also drafted Trent Edwards in 2007. 

Basically the Bills have sucked at picking their QB's for over a decade, and their only decent production at the position since Bledsoe have been Fitz and Tyrod Taylor.

While I kind of get your point, you're pushing it a bit when trying to do a Bills QB comparison considering the fact that Orton and Fitz are pretty much the same freakin' player, with the exception of one of them having no arm and the other no legs.

[Villain The Foe]

6 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

While I kind of get your point, you're pushing it a bit when trying to do a Bills QB comparison considering the fact that Orton and Fitz are pretty much the same freakin' player, with the exception of one of them having no arm and the other no legs.

Add to the fact that he himself confessed that the Bills sucked at picking QB's in the draft. So its not like they had any competent QB's when Fitz was there. 

[AFJF]

7 minutes ago, Brand New Jet said:

I'm impartial on this whole Geno vs Fitz debate.  I simply dont want the Jets to have a losing season.    But I have to agree with you there.   Some people are acting like Fitz is the second coming of Brady or compare to a top notch starting QB that's gotten his team to the playoffs on multiple seasons.    I couldnt believe that I read Fitz was compared to Pennington in terms of what he cost the team.    My mind was like dont even go there.  I'm glad you had the proper response for what I was thinking.

Who are these people?  Do they post here?

[ylekram]

11 minutes ago, Brand New Jet said:

11 minutes ago, Brand New Jet said:

I'm impartial on this whole Geno vs Fitz debate.  I simply dont want the Jets to have a losing season.    But I have to agree with you there.   Some people are acting like Fitz is the second coming of Brady or compare to a top notch starting QB that's gotten his team to the playoffs on multiple seasons.    I couldnt believe that I read Fitz was compared to Pennington in terms of what he cost the team.    My mind was like dont even go there.  I'm glad you had the proper response for what I was thinking.

 

I gotta ask. who in their right mind is doing this? one example would be nice

[ylekram]

3 minutes ago, AFJF said:

Who are these people?  Do they post here?

ninja'd

[Jetsfan80]

So let me get this straight.  I suggest Fitz is a slightly better version of a QB than Chad Pennington, and everyone loses their minds.  Got it. 

The hate has officially gone too far.

 

[Brand New Jet]

4 minutes ago, AFJF said:

Who are these people?  Do they post here?

Lol didnt u jusr read?  One guy just compared Fitz to Pennington. 

Another said that Brady's strength of schedule against his opponents were similar to Brady and overall, people "posters as well as Columnist" are screaming that the Jets should pay Fitzpatrick more as he gives them a chance of making playoffs..  etc

 

Come on.. Stop being disingenuous and pretending people are not valuing Fitpatrick as is he was some top notch QB.     The guy is what he is.. A mediocre at best QB that doesnt deserve the MONEY that the jets already offered him, in relation to what we have in Geno.    

[Jetsplayer21]

36 minutes ago, AFJF said:

That's based on nothing but a guess on your part.

I think he's a pro and will conduct himself like one when he returns.

Lol.. It was a much more probable guess than the wishful guess you provided ?

     There is a big difference from " acting like a pro" as most nfl players do, then making an strong effort to work with the kid who is here to replace you.. It is fair to say it is solely $$$ That is keeping Ryan Fitzpatrick from signing a contract.. There will be no extra incentives for helping hackenberg.. Actually just the opposite.. If Ryan were to help hackenberg he could lose millions if hac is prepared to start next yr, thus blocking Fitz from earning his likely heavy incentive in yr 2.. If the deal is Similar to what has been offered.. And doubt Fitz would rather backup..Now ask yourself what is Fitz likely to do lol..

[Brand New Jet]

2 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

We know he struggles against strong defenses like Pennington, which is really the only similarity.  Unlike Pennington, he did not cost us a 1st round pick (Fitz cost us a 7th rounder), won't ever cost us that kind of money, has better arm strength (insert noodle arm jokes), running ability, and "moxie"/toughness, and is far more likable. 

Fitz also does not give us false hope like Pennington once did.

And you dont see this as posters comparing Fitzy to top notch QB's in terms of talent and achievement??  

I think some of you Fitzy backers are so dead set on trying to reply to Anti-Fitzy postings that you dont see what some of your fellow Fitzy backers have written.. 

[AFJF]

3 minutes ago, Brand New Jet said:

Lol didnt u jusr read?  One guy just compared Fitz to Pennington. 

Another said that Brady's strength of schedule against his opponents were similar to Brady and overall, people "posters as well as Columnist" are screaming that the Jets should pay Fitzpatrick more as he gives them a chance of making playoffs..  etc

 

Come on.. Stop being disingenuous and pretending people are not valuing Fitpatrick as is he was some top notch QB.     The guy is what he is.. A mediocre at best QB that doesnt deserve the MONEY that the jets already offered him, in relation to what we have in Geno.    

Just so we're clear, nobody said Fitz was Brady or a top-notch QB, but you're saying Pennington was?

[Jetsfan80]

3 minutes ago, Brand New Jet said:

And you dont see this as posters comparing Fitzy to top notch QB's in terms of talent and achievement??  

I think some of you Fitzy backers are so dead set on trying to reply to Anti-Fitzy postings that you dont see what some of your fellow Fitzy backers have written.. 

I don't care what my fellow "backers" have written.  The kind of false hope we had with Pennington for years was that he was a franchise QB.  Not one single Fitzy supporter (that I currently don't have on ignore) has ever suggest Fitz is a franchise guy.  That would be lunacy.  He's merely the best option we have access to at this time, for 2016.  That, in my view, is undeniable. 

Those who think Geno is an equal or better option are the ones with false hope, because they're operating purely in hypotheticals and are living in a fantasy world.  They seem to think all it takes to make a QB a star is a good OC, weapons, a solid O-Line and everyone staying healthy. 

[cant wait]

26 minutes ago, ylekram said:

also, keep in mind that all of fitzpatricks 5 losses last year, all were 1 score losses. ok. the schedule was easy as schedules are concerned. out of the 15 games Fitzpatrick played, he won 2/3's of them and the 5 he lost were 1 score losses. that's pretty competitive and very consistant

So the game where fitz ran like a moron and slid face first, tearing his thumb and knocking himself out of the game doesn't count? Why don't you just take out the week 17 game too while you're at it