Bryce+Petty+Beating+Out+Geno

[Jetsfan80]

3 minutes ago, JiF said:

The best part is, I'm not even arguing if Geno Smith is good or bad or any of the above.  

All my point has been this entire time; dont jump to conclusions based on meaningless preseason games. 

lol

And my point has been that 4 years of evidence and actions by the Jets trumps the opinions of idiots like you and Pac.  The argument has been settled when it comes to Geno by the people actually making decisions.  We're just d*cking around by still talking about it like it matters.

[Big Blocker]

1 hour ago, JiF said:

Where do I?  I dont.  That's not my job.

I

So, why bother posting here as fans, describing what we see?

[Jetsfan80]

2 minutes ago, Pac said:

I wish we could have a tag team match against Smash and 80.  I want to bash them over the head with steel chairs.

Superman dies.

[Pac]

1 minute ago, RutgersJetFan said:

YOU RANG

"El Supermano"?

[JustInFudge]

1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said:

And my point has been that 4 years of evidence and actions by the Jets trumps the opinions of idiots like you and Pac.  The argument has been settled when it comes to Geno by the people actually making decisions.  We're just d*cking around by still talking about it like it matters.

Like the actions that still keep him on the team?  

[RutgersJetFan]

1 minute ago, Pac said:

"El Supermano"?

Te no like-o el name-o of Espanol Superman?

[Jetsfan80]

Just now, JiF said:

Like the actions that still keep him on the team?  

Macc said months ago Geno is "under contract" and that has remained the best praise he's given him.  So I'm not surprised he's still here.  But that's literally the only thing going well for him:  He's still on an NFL roster.  Keeping around a QB who was a former 2nd round pick and still on a cheap rookie deal makes sense from a front office perspective. 

But in every other way we've moved on from him, and while there's still a chance we carry 4 QB's, he isn't helping his cause at all. 

[SickJetFan]

7 minutes ago, JiF said:

The best part is, I'm not even arguing if Geno Smith is good or bad or any of the above.  

All my point has been this entire time; dont jump to conclusions based on meaningless preseason games. 

lol

thanks for the advice will keep it in mind

 

and thanks for reminding me Geno sucked before preseason started

[Smashmouth]

13 minutes ago, whodeawhodat said:

holy sh!t man... you interrupted my reading a story about Usain Bolt and a brazillian student for this????  The GM traded for him but the coach couldnt play him???  I'm still stuck on that part.  To bring up anything else is a deflection of the obvious issue above.

Ok let me put this in Simple Terms so you can understand that you should not argue when you don't know the facts. MANGINI made the trade with the Jets in 2009 to get Ratliff, Elam and Coleman as part of the Sanchez deal. HOLMGREN came to the Browns in 2010 and again there is no way HOLMGREN was going to let Mangini Play Ratliff over two number one draft picks battling for a job. Mangini himself was on the hot seat when Holmgren was hired. If you don't understand that then just move on from the argument and go read about an Olympic Sprinter .

[Smashmouth]

22 minutes ago, JiF said:

Geno doesnt need to simulate the pressure of the position.  He's started 20+ NFL games.  

Look, I'll give you guys putting actual stock into a preseason game this; If we are assume that everything went right on every play call (which is highly unlikely with a bunch of make shift line ups), then yes...you can make some conclusions.  The reality is, it probably didnt and acting like we know what we are watching is being very naive.  We have no clue what type of break downs happened around the QB or if the QB just out right did something really sh*tty (granted that INT looked all Geno).

This is why, you dont jump to conclusions in preseason games and players like Brett Ratliff despite looking great (better than Petty) never got a single start in the NFL.

 

yep he started 20 NFL games and overall he stunk in a huge way

Ratliff never got a chance because he played Behind Brett Favre and no way on holy hell were the Jets going to pull him Injured or not. Then he went to the Browns who had their own Issues going on and the Kid never got a shot to play

[Pac]

12 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

Te no like-o el name-o of Espanol Superman?

the chutzpah of those momzers.

[RutgersJetFan]

6 minutes ago, Pac said:

the chutzpah of those momzers.

You win this battle, funny guy.

[Big Blocker]

57 minutes ago, Smashmouth said:

what a pre season game simulates is the pressure of the position. While you do look for decision making and leadership in training camp the Red Jersey takes the pressure off. Right now no matter what depth of players a QB plays with in pre season 1st 2nd or 3rd stringers he is under heavy pressure to  make this roster no red jersey to save you so it does play a part here.

Great point.  I am virtually certain that Smith is pressing. by his own words he views these games as auditions, meaning he acknowledges he knows he needs to show he can perform well, and so he is pressing.  And that in turn is in his case helping lead to a poor performance, or perhaps more accurately his focus is not leading to a better performance.  Which is concerning.

The other point is I don't get the defense that he's playing with second and third stringers.  Unless you are playing with second stringers against the opponent's first stringers, these things even out. 

[Augustiniak]

1 hour ago, Smashmouth said:

what a pre season game simulates is the pressure of the position. While you do look for decision making and leadership in training camp the Red Jersey takes the pressure off. Right now no matter what depth of players a QB plays with in pre season 1st 2nd or 3rd stringers he is under heavy pressure to  make this roster no red jersey to save you so it does play a part here.

there's a difference in comfort level when you know the defense won't clock you no matter how talented.  wilkerson, sheldon, williams won't touch him (not so much for IK).  at a certain point you have to show improvement in real games even if it's preseason.  pressure weeds out the people whose best performances are in practice.

[kdels62]

3 hours ago, Pac said:

that's kinda my thing.

Well at least you're aware

[56mehl56]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

Because his current performance is indicative of a player about to be passed on the depth chart or cut.  And if he's cut, what exactly are teams looking to sign him going on to evaluate him, if his latest preseason performance is indeed "meaningless"?  They don't get his practice reports.

Umm - 2 years of game film in meaningful games , of course with exception to the end of year game against Miami which most haters here seem to rate lower than a PS game. 

[The Crusher]

1 hour ago, Smashmouth said:

If Petty turns out to be a successful starter here I will use the word Groovy at least once a day for the rest of my Groovy life MFer

If we can ever get a successful starter I would tatoo it on my butt.  

[whodeawhodat]

1 hour ago, whodeawhodat said:

When you are a QB, get traded to the doo doo browns and dont get a shot at the starting QB job, its pretty damning evidence that you should move on to selling insurance or something other than football.

 

1 hour ago, Smashmouth said:

The fact he was traded to the Browns is irrelevant he was not going to get a chance their with two Number 1 draft picks ahead of him, no way Holmgren was going to Let Mangini start Ratliff over two failed number one picks. no way in hell.

 

1 hour ago, Smashmouth said:

was not so much a Ratliff fan as I was pushing for the guy to at least get a chance to play. He looked good in the pocket and played well in the pre season and I felt like the guy never got a shot. Then he was traded to a team that had 2 number 1 draft picks battling for a spot and he never got a chance their either in Cleveland.

In the case of Geno vs Petty Geno had ample chances to play and the problem is the guy keeps making the same old mistakes he made before and he still has poor pocket presence. Geno's not happy here ATM and that could be effecting him even more maybe he just needs a change of scenery

Mullet boy did have a shot since Mangini did trade for him and was his guy for a full year before Holmgen got there.  So for you to say that he never got a shot is ummm false.  

 

on a side not, its all good, Bolt's GF is okay with him partying with other girls.

[NYs Stepchild]

1 hour ago, whodeawhodat said:

 

 

Mullet boy did have a shot since Mangini did trade for him and was his guy for a full year before Holmgen got there.  So for you to say that he never got a shot is ummm false.  

 

on a side not, its all good, Bolt's GF is okay with him partying with other girls.

yeah that would suck

[whodeawhodat]

FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- Who's the backup? Will Geno Smith get cut? Is Bryce Petty for real? Why isn't Christian Hackenberg playing?

Everybody is so preoccupied with these quarterback-related questions surrounding the New York Jets (yes, I'm guilty of it, too) that we've ignored the main storyline, the most important purpose of the preseason:

Preparing the starting quarterback for the regular season.

Let's not forget, Ryan Fitzpatrick hasn't played a lot of football over the past few months. He missed the offseason (see: contract dispute) and played only 22 snaps in the first two preseason games. Even though that's not an unusually low number, compared to other starters, it's time to rev the engine and get into regular-season mode.

The Jets will go as far as Fitzpatrick takes them, so let's put aside the secondary quarterback matters and focus on No. 1.

Clearly, the starting offense has a ways to go. It generated exactly zero points in three possessions last Friday night against the Washington Redskins. If the objective was to keep it vanilla and lull future opponents into a false sense of confidence, Fitzpatrick & Co. succeeded.

"It wasn’t as pretty as we would have liked it to be," said Fitzpatrick, who has attempted only 13 passes [seven completions] in the preseason. "The good thing is, we still have a little bit of time to iron some things out. The bad thing is, we didn’t play as crisp or as clean as maybe we should have. It was a nice measuring stick for us. We’ve still got some work to do, obviously, and we have to continue to get better every day."

There's no reason to panic, of course. The preseason is relatively meaningless, especially the first two games. You also have to consider the personnel. The Jets have a seasoned group of players on offense, and they know how to pace themselves through the drudgery of a training camp. One of those players, Matt Forte (hamstring), still hasn't appeared in a game. It's hard to evaluate the offense without Forte, a key piece in the puzzle.

After using the first two games for player-evaluation purposes, the Jets will change gears this week for the New York Giants. The starters probably will play into the second half, and there could be a cameo appearance by Forte, whose practice load has increased in recent days.

"It’s a little bit more of a dress rehearsal in terms of what we want to do and be during the regular season," Fitzpatrick said. "We know we’re going to get more time out there, so we’d like to get into a better rhythm and get some first downs, get some drives going and just put some points on the board. Same thing with the no injuries: You don’t want them in the preseason. And some touchdowns and no turnovers, that would be awesome."

[whodeawhodat]

^^^^Cimini ESPN

 

[DetroitRed]

Geno is the backup for the Giants game, so this is a dead issue

[Maxman]

On 8/22/2016 at 8:11 AM, Karam H said:

Read this and thought I'd share. Bryce may overtake Geno as the #2

 

Jets Notes: Bryce Petty Beating Out Geno Smith + Training Camp Standouts

Every year in the NFL we are reminded that roster spots are earned on the field and not in scouting meetings or on draft day. The famous Jerry Glanville quote, “the NFL stands for not for long,” is spot on when it comes to players earning a place on the final roster. Who would have thought that Karlos Williams of the Bills (over 5.5 yards per carry/7 TDs in 2015 as a rookie) would be cut before the second preseason game. Yet it happens again and again; players who get too comfortable in their position get passed for playing time like a old truck on the autobahn by hungrier players.

Bryce Petty came into this year with a target on his back; the kind of target that has your agent calling teams to see if they have open spots on their practice squads. He didn’t take a single regular season snap in 2015 after being drafted in the 4th round from a team that didn’t even huddle on offense. Coming from spread offense where the coach signaled the plays in from the sideline, even NFL verbiage was a struggle for Bryce. Absorbing the Jets playbook was akin to learning to write in a foreign language, in cursive, with your left hand (if you’re a righty). Understanding the nuances of the game were impossible for a player just trying to understand how to call a play.

Jets GM Mike Maccagnan decided to draft (or overdrafted) Christian Hackenberg from Penn st in the second round; a player I had as a 6th round talent and Pro Football Focus had as undraftable. With Ryan Fitzpatrick as the entrenched starter (as soon as the Jets signed him), former 2nd round pick Geno Smith already on the roster; the writing was on the wall for Petty. With one foot in the grave and the other standing on a banana peel, Petty had to either step up his game monumentally or find another team to give him a shot.

Bryce Petty has all the desired measurables to be a starter in the NFL.  He is 6’3 230 with a strong arm, good movement skills, and is said to be a very intelligent hard working kid. Problem is he came from a system so different from any NFL style offense so his learning curve was off the charts. Added was the fact that unlike the past (10-15 years ago) no team is going to stash you on the roster and give you 3 years to catch up (ala Aaron Rogers) so this year was sink or swim time.

Petty has responded with a solid camp to go along with stellar play in the first two preseason games. He is 23/40 for 335 yards and 2 TDs with 0 INTs and a 101 QBR, all while playing with second and third string players. Added to the fact is the Jets o-line depth is abysmal (Petty has been sacked 5 times) so he is accomplishing all this under duress, which makes this even more of amazing.  If he can keep up the production and lack of mistakes going in the last two games, the Jets will be forced to move him up to the the 2nd spot behind Fitzpatrick. The Jets know what they have (or don’t have) in Geno Smith and he is having a typical mediocre camp and preseason 14/27 126 yards 1 TD, 1 INT 61.7 QBR.  Recently in practice Smith had a 4 INT and a fumble day which frustrated him and the Jets management team.

The Jets know what they have in Smith, which is a replacement level player who can have an occasional quality game but would struggle to get the team to even a .500 record. Also, Smith was a poor draft decision by the previous regime (GM John Idzik) so keeping Petty over Smith is very plausible. Christian Hackenberg is a distant fourth on the depth chart (which is understandable for a rookie) but has been even worse than you might expect.  Hackenberg will have to have a Petty type transformation next year or fingers may be pointed at GM Maccagnan about his ability to discern talent in the draft.

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Jet Bits: Players who are making hay in training camp

 

–Leonard Williams is showing why he was considered the top talent in the draft last year; after a quality rookie year, Williams is showing the strength and agility that could lead to a monster year. Deon Simon 6’4 332 (7th rd pick in 2015 #223) is a NT who is turning heads and drawing comparisons to former Jet Damon Harrison. Simon had a huge game Friday with 4 stuffed run plays (one on 4th down) and drawing a holding penalty in the end zone (causing a safety). With Mohammad Wilkerson back with a new contract and Sheldon Richardson (after his one game suspension) the Jets are poised to have one of the best D-lines in the NFL.

–Robby Anderson WR Temple (UDFA in 2015) 6’3 190 4.36/40

This is a player I highlighted before the draft who could shine in the right situation as a undrafted rookie. He had a great game against the ‘Skins 7 rec/138 yards/1TD and if he can continue to show in the next two games, will force the Jets to give him a roster spot. He is in a great spot with the Jets where he can learn from Eric Decker and Brandon Marshall for the next couple of years. Anderson is a player to watch for the future and could (with his 4.36/40 speed) be a game changer; it also helps he is from his coach’s (Todd Bowles) alma mater – Temple U.

–Cherone Peake WR Clemson (7th rd pick 2105 #241) 6’2 209  4.45/40

Peake is having a good camp, not spectacular 8 rec/ 77 yards/1TD, but has the size-speed ratio that offensive coaches covet. He has a good chance to make the squad because Devin Smith (PUP list knee) will probably miss the first six games, Quincy Enunwa may be moved to TE on a permanent basis and Kenbrell Thompkins may be cut for salary cap reasons. The Jets are currently less than $ 1.4 million under the salary cap with 51 players.  They have to add two players to that and have money for their practice squad players (up to 10); Thompkins has a $1.67 million non-guaranteed salary, whereas Peake would make $450,000; saving the team over $1.2 million.

The Jets have a thin window for success in 2016 (everything needs to go right) and any problems they have will not be on the defensive side of the ball; where they should be stellar.  On offense, things hinge on Fitzpatrick, Marshall, Decker, Forte and a aging leaky offensive line.  If Petty could somehow become a Blake Bortles type talent (high upside yet to be realized) and with receivers like Peake and Anderson, the Jets may have a future worth watching.

By Craig Sniffen| August 22nd, 2016|0 Comments

 

Hey you have a few posts here and they are pretty much all linking back to articles on that site. Last time you told people to comment on that site, and not here.

If you want to be part of this community we support that. We don't support click bait so don't try to drive our traffic to your site. I meant that site.

Thanks.

[RutgersJetFan]

Yeah Sniffen.

[Thor99]

8 hours ago, Maxman said:

Hey you have a few posts here and they are pretty much all linking back to articles on that site. Last time you told people to comment on that site, and not here.

If you want to be part of this community we support that. We don't support click bait so don't try to drive our traffic to your site. I meant that site.

Thanks.

He said he read the article and decided to post it.   Are you suggesting that he has something to do with that website? 

[Thor99]

3 minutes ago, Thor99 said:

He said he read the article and decided to post it.   Are you suggesting that he has something to do with that website? 

I'm too trusting  

 

 

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